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That could stand as a metaphor for the entire Brexit project

Rich British Brexiteer tax-avoider moves production to France


 
Posted : 26/09/2020 2:14 pm
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That could stand as a metaphor for the entire Brexit project

Rich British Brexiteer tax-avoider moves production to France

Sooner or later there will be a backlash and someone like him will be found in his mansion having been slotted by one of his ex employees.


 
Posted : 26/09/2020 2:31 pm
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Hey, remember when Ineos engineered a massive strike at Grangemouth purely to strongarm BP in their negotiations to buy the Forties pipeline? This isn't even #1 on Radcliffe's list of thunder****ery.


 
Posted : 26/09/2020 4:54 pm
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someone like him will be found in his mansion having been slotted by one of his ex employees.

Drivel.


 
Posted : 26/09/2020 5:13 pm
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I suggest you google "businessman killed by employee" or similar, Frank, people like him have suffered such a fate on many occasions.

Just pointing out that it's not drivel rather than condoning such actions.


 
Posted : 26/09/2020 5:18 pm
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Drivel

Time will tell.


 
Posted : 26/09/2020 9:03 pm
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But you just have to remember how much money his UK based businesses will save once they no longer have to worry about the environmental controls and the rights of their workers, presently seen as a cost imposed on them by the EU.

That’s why him and his mates supported Brexit. They’re going to make a killing from the race to the bottom it will usher in

The billionaire boss of JCB was another prominent Vote Leave supporter.
Knock out all those expensive worker's rights, environmental regulations and so on. What bugs me is that's more money than anyone could reasonably spend in a lifetime. But no, they want MORE. And they have the funds to just do whatever the **** they want, sod the rest of us. Buy yourself a residency visa somewhere in Europe - no problems! Move a bit of currency around, buy a load of nice cheap Euro - easy peasy! Disappear off abroad to save hundreds of millions in taxes - that's fine, you just continue asset stripping the country, keeping the workforce not far off slave labour, bollocks to the environment.

****ers, the lot of them. Parasitic ****ers.


 
Posted : 26/09/2020 10:49 pm
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I rarely post these days but thought I'd share my predictions with you, I don't think there will be a no deal, I don't think it will be a good deal by any stretch of the imagination either.
However I expect around the 15th October an announcement saying that sufficient progress has been made to extend talks and then some marathon sessions through the night towards the end of the month with a deal announced hours before the deadline, Boris attempts to take all the glory for his skillful brinkmanship, fisherman etc. get thrown under the bus but onside media outlets report little of it.


 
Posted : 27/09/2020 10:04 am
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1. Hard Brexit = customs border required somewhere between EIRE and UK.

2. GFA = no border infrastructure allowed between NI & EIRE.

3. Tory hard-on for unionists = border can't be in Irish Sea.

4. 'We' voted to leave the EU, the EU didn't kick us out.

It is almost as if Leave voters didn't think about possible ramifications, isn't it?

Blah, blah, blah, blah, technology, blah, blah. Bollocks. It ain't gonna happen.

So all Johnson and his rag-tag rabble have to fall back on is cheating, lying and trying to kick the can down the road and distract attention.

This is 'our' mess. The onus is on 'our' 'government' to sort this.

I'm having to use so many quotation marks to convey the fact that I don't consider any of this to represent me or any other right thinking grownups.

'Government' is in quotes because this is a GINO.


 
Posted : 27/09/2020 10:06 am
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Bazz has it nailed

BUT Cummings misjudged massively the blowback from the EU after the internal market bill, we've still got the finance bill to come.....


 
Posted : 27/09/2020 10:31 am
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The danger is that we will eventually run out of long grass to kick the ball into. I suspect that may be January.


 
Posted : 27/09/2020 10:37 am
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The danger is that we will eventually run out of long grass to kick the ball into. I suspect that may be January.

It is January. Johnson's ramshackle shitshow bus flies over the cliff with all of us onboard, only to find that Cummings and chums are still standing on the cliff and waving, pockets bulging.


 
Posted : 27/09/2020 4:18 pm
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And still our only hope is that Johnson bottles it at the last minute and agrees to regulatory alignment and some cobbled together ‘deal’

The latest great Brexit news

Firms plead for Brexit deal as coronavirus leaves industry reeling


 
Posted : 27/09/2020 5:05 pm
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Another nail in the a British car industry coffin. Project fear, eh?

"The commission has made clear that it will not agree third-country cumulation in any circumstances, which we regret, but obviously cannot insist upon," says Lord Frost

Thought they needed us more than we needed them?....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54345882


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 9:03 am
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Brexit really does mean Brexit, who would have thought?

I'm simultaneously scared, intrigued and sad about the world beating shit to fan interface that is going to happen in January. Mostly sad because we all get to be active participants rather than passive observers.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 9:23 am
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Just to re-iterate...the UK population and economy are nothing more than expendable lab rats in cummings world.
Control and power has been ceded to cummings and gove; the latter owes the former for saving his political career under cameron.
johnson is nothing more than their useful idiot.
Anything that's happened so far - notably, but not excusively, CV19 and brexit - is nothing more than the hors d'oeuvres before the main event.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 9:44 am
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Does anyone know what the obsession with fish is all about?

The Brexit mob aren't remotely bothered about the manufacturing industry in this country being decimated, but mention haddock and they get worked up into a frenzy


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 11:39 am
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I think the obsession with fish is a combination of "Britannia rules the waves",and "as British as fish and chips" with the idea that something is being stolen that we own, as opposed to it being a resource that coincidentally passes through our region.

Cars are less of an issue as affordable British Cars ceased a generation ago and were generally awful. The guy I bought my VW from had "England" flag plates on it and I see a fair few farmer's Mitsubishis around here with "keep britain farming" stickers on them.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 12:17 pm
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Does anyone know what the obsession with fish is all about?

Pavlov's dog, but with Tory voting pensioners.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 12:33 pm
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Theyve conceded on fishing rights too

Johnson was always going to throw fishermen under the bus to get a deal
Car industry was also an inevitable victom

EU would let us stew in no deal for a while, knowing we would ha e to come back to the table before long


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 12:50 pm
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Fishing has been turned into an emotive issue; it's a relatively insignificant sector in the UK but has become totemic - think back to the 'cod wars'.
Think of it in terms of 'rallying around the flag'.
North Sea fishing rights are much more important to W European countries than they are to the UK.
I fully accept there are a small number of coastal towns where fishing is very important but at the national level it isn't.
I believe, but could be wrong, that the UK exports more of it's catch than it consumes.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 12:58 pm
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Are there really still people who think that Johnson just lies to others, not them...?

However, UK fisheries leaders warned the government not to sell them out. Barrie Deas, the head of the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations, said: “What we wouldn’t agree to is surrendering fishing rights in order to have a trade deal.

“There is no expectation within the UK fishing industry that the UK will back down on fisheries. If anything, the commitments that have been made to the industry are stronger now than when the negotiations started. We’ve been given clear and unequivocal commitments.

...and? What are they worth?


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 1:01 pm
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Farage started the rot, he sat on the influential EU Fisheries committee which shaped policy, yet he only attended 1 out of 42 of their meetings. They then blame the unconstitutional EU for this that and the other, yet they (I lump Farage and the Tories together) never seemingly took the EU seriously.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 1:14 pm
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Talking about fish often involves the phrase 'territorial waters' and if there is anything guaranteed to give a gammon a semi, if not a full-on raging boner, it is something 'territorial'.

Symbolism and populism works for people who don't like to think too much, but always suspect Johnny Foreigner is up to something.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 2:01 pm
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Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!

etc


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 2:16 pm
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'territorial' reminds me. Where is the little shit Francois? In a room with a tape recorder running one hopes...


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 3:54 pm
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Loss of control over fishing rights has also long been used as a pro-Union argument against Scottish Independence. It's one of the reasons for some areas of the NE not being so on-board with the SNP.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 5:36 pm
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Another nail in the a British car industry coffin. Project fear, eh?
“The commission has made clear that it will not agree third-country cumulation in any circumstances, which we regret, but obviously cannot insist upon,” says Lord Frost
Thought they needed us more than we needed them?….

I hope no UK bike brands sell much abroad...

A separate draft legal text, also obtained by the BBC, lists the UK's request for manufacturing of electric cars, batteries, and bicycles to be treated leniently, and count as British, even if the majority of components come from elsewhere.

So Shimano, SRAM and Bosch will count against them? Maybe not Bosch. Hmm.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 5:54 pm
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The Conservatives really look like they are going with the 'burn it all to the ground and run away' policy we all feared.. And there's nothing to stop them.


 
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I hope no UK bike brands sell much abroad…

They still have to import raw materials even if they build components from scratch.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 6:00 pm
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Loss of control over fishing rights has also long been used as a pro-Union argument against Scottish Independence. It’s one of the reasons for some areas of the NE not being so on-board with the SNP.

First thing I thought of when I heard about it,the Union is obviously acceptable collateral damage.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 6:04 pm
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Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the wave!

Fixed for post Brexit extent.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 6:08 pm
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Given that 60-70% of 'UK' fishing is from Scotland it's easy to see why the Government are happy to chuck the fisherman under the big Brexit bus. It's something like 1% of GDP - behind Pet Insurance.

Attempts by the automotive industry on rules of origin are laughable - but of course all those Brexit voters in Sunderland knew exactly what they were voting for - a P45.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 6:25 pm
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Dominic Is often referred to being the power behind the throne, in reality most of the cabinet views him as some sort of genius due to Leave UK and then the Conservative election. He is very good at shaping messages and understanding the "end user" backed by big data (not really big data just big targeted access)

So what we should also be understanding is that the next step in Doms development is utilising left field thoughts and ideas in the ecomomy via technology that does not inovate or evolve it simply tears up whats gone before.

Supporting this is a cabinet that has no grasp on business, economics (actual not text book) or how to turn an ecomomy around the best they can do is chuck Rishi money at things and respond to a skills shortage list. So they look to Dom who has proved his metal twice to give them a miracle post brexit, now the backbenchers and 1922 folks who do have a limited grasp on reality are really very very uncomfortable with Rishi Cash and Doms ripping yarns around technology.

This is underpinned by appointments of the likes of Dido Harding and the potential of Dacre.

Dom might be a mad genius, we would do well to remember this man is not motivated by money or politics (he has lots of the first and detests the political class - he is an anarchist at heart)

Even if Dom has a magic bullet (which i doubt) i dont think the backbenchers will underwrite the cost of the experiment.

In summary the Tory cabinet will roll the dice on Dom saving the day for no better reason than they have no other option. If that dice roll requires a hard brexit (which i suspect it will require due to the current row with the EU over state aid) then thats what will happen.

We have seen today a major blow to the Car Industry, i am aware that Dom doesn't like "old school" industy but Tesla gives him a hard on.

I think i have sussed where this is all going, just as the Tory backbenchers have sussed Dom trouble is they have no place in Doms plan. So watch the internal war the Brady bunch V Boris's Boys.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 8:27 pm
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The only good thing to come from all of this is that we are part of history that will be remembered long after we are all gone.


 
Posted : 30/09/2020 9:09 pm
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Back benchers getting their arses in their hands about having no control or being sidelined by 'here today gone tomorrow ministers' over covid legislation. Guess what dick heads, this is what happens when you mess with parliamentary sovereignty, and now you're upset about it because somone is using the result in a way you're not happy with? F off!


 
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The only good thing to come from all of this is that we are part of history that will be remembered long after we are all gone.

I wonder if the people of the 1930s thought similarly.


 
Posted : 01/10/2020 7:44 am
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Back benchers getting their arses in their hands about having no control or being sidelined by ‘here today gone tomorrow ministers’ over covid legislation. Guess what dick heads, this is what happens when you mess with parliamentary sovereignty, and now you’re upset about it because somone is using the result in a way you’re not happy with? F off!

Don't forget they were more than happy to hitch a ride on Boris's Bullshit Bus when it was duping gullible idiots - so they could reserve their places at the trough.


 
Posted : 01/10/2020 7:48 am
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Rule Britannia, Britannia waves the rules.
Britain’s forever ever ever known as f....


 
Posted : 01/10/2020 8:08 am
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In today's lesson, we learn that the nebulous 'sovereignty' doesn't mean do what you like with no consequence.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1311581354769944576


 
Posted : 01/10/2020 10:40 am
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I don't doubt for a second that Dominic Cummings will be overjoyed with this

It suits him perfectly as it absolutely guarantees No Deal now, but it also fits their narrative that this is all the fault of the nasty EU who are being unreasonable and bullying us

Obviously anyone with anything between their ears knows this is total bollocks, but then anyone with anything between their ears never voted for this nonsense in the first place.

The worry now is that this will really escalate now and become ridiculously confrontational as Cummings and co do what they do and go on the attack against the EU, and in doing so properly burn all bridges


 
Posted : 01/10/2020 10:53 am
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and in doing so properly burn all bridges

Of course, the joined up thinking is that doing so will either scupper all ongoing trade negotiations with non EU countries, or put us on the back foot and forced to accept worse terms than we currently have with them.


 
Posted : 01/10/2020 10:56 am
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Shortest press conference ever?


 
Posted : 01/10/2020 11:05 am
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To sumamrise:

You're being ****s!

We're not having it!


 
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