I think you’re all over optimistic for a Tory fall out. They’ll be blaming Covid right up to the 2023/4 election. Brexit would have been great, if it wasn’t for the EU, project Fear and Covid, and only Boz & Dom can see it through to the sunny uplands due to appear any second.
That's if people such as yourself continue to let them control the narrative.
It will only be the typical british attribute of shrugging the shoulders and believing you can't do anything about it that will let them win.
When Boris said “**** business” he really meant it.
I think a lot of people still don't understand what this actually means. The current Government and its backers really couldn't care less about GDP, growth, how many people will lose their jobs etc, its all about the wealth of a small group of people and their ability to rinse money through the city of London, and asset strip the rest.
This is why Brexit happened, eventually trading blocs will form(the EU is an advanced version of this), and they will have laws in place preventing such money laundering and off-shoring, so those who get up to this sort of thing needed to take control of state machinery (Politics, Laws, regulations, taxation etc,) to keep funnelling their ill gotten gains through.
In essence, the UK(London) is just one off-shore money laundering off shore tax haven, and those outside this bubble...can just f*ck off. And as long as the current Government can win majorities in the HOC on between 37-43% of the vote, it will continue.
They just need to keep the minorty that vote for them sweet, the current thrown dead cat being immigrants in dinghies. The FPTP voting system is THE single cause of all of these problems. This Government will gerrymander the boundaries again and again to hold onto power.
It is way past time for the majority who didn't vote for the tories to force a change.
It is way past time for the majority who didn’t vote for the tories to force a change.
How?
You are spot on that "taking back control" is all about removing checks and balances on those who make up the government, and that the government will ensure that stay (to look after their sponsors) in even if their vote share drops at the next election... so, what do you do about it?
And, if it's not already clear to every body... this isn't just about "European courts" and "Brussels eurocrats" and "gravy train MEPs"... it is also about court systems and civil servants and parliaments and assemblies on these islands... all will be weakened or made supplicants to this lot.
What’s taken place over the last five years in this country amounts to a coup. A well planned and executed one. They colonised, then occupied the party of government, expelling or neutering any critics, then they took over the country.
It’s been a bloodless coup so far. It remains to be seen if that’s still the case when the true scale of the impending carnage unfolds in January.
I’m absolutely amazed at the bovine nature of most people in failing to even acknowledge the huge juggernaut presently barrelling towards them
I’m absolutely amazed at the bovine nature of most people in failing to even acknowledge the huge juggernaut presently barrelling towards them
The likes of Cumstains know that all they need to do is paint 'the huge juggernaut' as being 'dirty and foreign' and the sheep will believe them.
I mean, 'we' won the war for them and now they're not even grateful....
That’s if people such as yourself continue to let them control the narrative.
Judgemental much?
Meanwhile there is this...
Tories banging on about cheese and wine whilst the country burns... and no one was surprised.
How?
Well, what do you think? You either allow this to continue until they p*ss so many people off that they lose an election...how long have you got? And what measures will be put in place to cling on to power?
Or you look at alternatives.
Judgemental much?
I'm beyond the point of being 'nice' to people regarding this issue. Being nice, passive, or pointing out facts and history didn't stop this car crash from happening, in fact history teaches us that if you don't brutally shoot down these issues right from the start then it accelerates out of control.
Like the boris f*ck business quote, I don't people really understand what is really at stake here. Our democratic freedoms are being eroded, this has been going on for a few decades, but now it is accelerating, and those who seek to remove our rights and protections are pretty much the same groups who ruled over us prior to us having democracy for ourselves. When you start getting ruled by minorities, and they give you a kind of democracy where they can fashion the circumstances and control the narrative, then our fleeting glimpse of post WW2 social democracy is over.
Honestly, did anyone think that those with most to lose would let the 'great unwashed' control the the fortunes of this country, or any other country?
Or you look at alternatives.
Such as…?
I think you’re all over optimistic for a Tory fall out. They’ll be blaming Covid right up to the 2023/4 election. Brexit would have been great, if it wasn’t for the EU, project Fear and Covid, and only Boz & Dom can see it through to the sunny uplands due to appear any second.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Judgemental much?
... because your post read as being your opinion. I see what you're saying I think but I had to reread it several times. Let me edit that slightly for clarity:
I think you’re all over optimistic for a Tory fall out. They’ll be blaming Covid right up to the 2023/4 election. "Brexit would have been great, if it wasn’t for the EU, project Fear and Covid, and only Boz & Dom can see it through to the sunny uplands due to appear any second."
(That is what you meant, right?)
Well Americans and sarcasm never did make happy bedfellows but I'd expect better from a British forum.... Standards are clearly slipping 😉 🙂 😉 🙂 😉 🙂 😉 🙂 😉 🙂 😉 (hope that's enough?)
So anyway....
Brexit.
Why are we doing this, again?
😆
Sovereignty innit.
Lots of sovereignty for everyone and double lashings of it on the weekends.
Have we done the mini metro advert yet? It was crass for 1980, yet it still encapsulates the mentality.
mini metro
Ha ha.
An attempt to tell British people to buy British, but they took one look and went "nah, that's shit, mate" and bought a Fiat instead (yes, a ****ing Fiat). If people were unlucky enough to buy a new Metro you can bet they didn't buy a second one.
Crock of poorly manufactured, overpriced (for what it was) shite.
That advert is excellent. And by that I mean amazingly awful.
I’m looking forward to the “Eat Scampi, it’s your patriotic duty” ads.
You really couldn’t make this shit up. Due to the weapons grade bell-endery of Brexit, the UK now has to recruit 50,000 previously unnecessary customs staff to fill out paperwork.
I can’t make out if the governments wording ‘we are committed to growing the customs sector for EU trade in 2021’ is more George Orwell or Monty Python
What a total ****ing shambles!
https://twitter.com/cabinetofficeuk/status/1299649242114469889?s=21
I’m looking forward to their next mission statement “We are keen to expand the lorry parking sector across the countries motorway network...”
The poverty and crime sectors are looking rather buoyant also
"Growing the customs sector"?😳
Is that a spoof site or something, sorry, hardly go on Twitter?
If only it were a parody account. Unfortunately for us, it’s for real. It’s from the cabinet office, so is the work of this genius, who we’ve been informed is in charge of planning for what now looks like the inevitable no deal
So making a positive of additional red tape.
Christ on a bike.
So just to be clear, so one of the reasons we got out of the EU because of the expense of the EU parliament and the excessive costs of the 38,000 "bureaucrats" that supported the interests of 28 nations. But somehow, employing 50,000 extra customs agents, on top of the 500,000 other Civil Servants that serve the UK is somehow better for economy, not helped at least by the £13Bn a year it's going to cost the country to process all the paperwork and increased friction for both import and export? Such ****wittery knows no bounds...
So making a positive of additional red tape.
British red tape (and of the wholly unnecessary and burdensome type, not the raising of standards and improving quality of life type).
Such ****wittery knows no bounds…
Don't worry, Cumstains is going to replace it all with a couple of algorithms....
My local Brexity tory MP, Junior minister and rising star shared this on Facebook today. Gone is the optimism about sunlit uplands, replaced with helpings of sovereignty. Feels like preparation for a hard landing. He also misses the bit about these glorious nation states murdering each other to death at regular intervals.
**Brexit - where we are, and why it matters. Please SHARE**
My new passport arrived this week, and it was really good to see. By itself the colour of your passport doesn’t matter one bit, but what it symbolises does.
The right of our country to be self-governing, to control our laws, borders, trade and seas, is a moment of historic significance. The United Kingdom may succeed or fail in the years ahead, but we will do so on our terms, subject to our laws, and not those of 27 other European countries.
Many of those other countries are our historic allies - and rivals - and our future will remain entwined with theirs. But having areas of common interest should not mean surrendering control of our lives in the way the EU demands, and will demand yet further in the future.
Europe’s success from the early modern period onwards was driven by competition. From the voyages of exploration to new technologies, the teeming network of city and nation states that make up our glorious continent drove each other on to new achievements. To try to replace that competition with the stagnation of a supranational government, moving at the pace of the slowest not the fastest, is simply not how Europe will succeed.
Indeed, in a world that’s exploding with new competitors, legitimately seeking to raise their living standards and out-compete us, it’s a recipe for Europe’s eclipse and decline.
And I didn’t come into politics to preside over relative decline. Ours is a great nation, innovative, beautiful, resourceful, tolerant and successful. We adapt to the world of today rather than seek to pretend that the Europe, and the world, of the second half of the twentieth century can be preserved in aspic. That is what the EU aspires to, but like **** found, the tide of competition and progress will overcome even the highest barriers. It is a losing proposition.
That’s why all of this matters. That’s why the negotiations that are ongoing about our future relationship after the end of the transition period on 31 December matter. Under Boris Johnson, this much is clear: if an agreement is to be signed this autumn for the future, it will be one that allows the U.K. to enjoy the benefits of our independence. If not, we will leave on global trading terms.
Such as…?
Judging from your posts, you seem like an intelligent person, you'll work it out.
I haven’t worked it out. If I could see a path to a new government before the next planned election… especially if it could be before the end of this year… I’d get involved in helping to make it happen.
I see that the forum software is now trying to rewrite history and hide the names of historic monarchs.
That Tory MPs nationalist blather is truly terrifying. It sounds like the standard Ayn Rand (who they all seem to worship) ‘Creative Destruction’ bollocks to me.
if an agreement is to be signed this autumn for the future, it will be one that allows the U.K. to enjoy the benefits of our independence. If not, we will leave on global trading terms.
You’ve got to love the casual, blasé nature of that statement. As if there are no consequences to that. But then there won’t be. For him.
Like the rest of them, his wealth and position will insulate him from any of the consequences of his actions.
Just as with the bankers a decade ago, as the fallout from their calamitous decisions is visited on the rest of us ‘little people, they’ll simply shrug and waltz off into the sunset, leaving the rest of us to clear up their mess
How very ‘Bullingdon Club’
Is it just me or do I picture Gove with that same facial expression as the pic above but whilst hanging from a hastily strung lamppost noose with a baying cheering blood thirsty crowd below?
Probably just me.
British red tape (and of the wholly unnecessary and burdensome type, not the raising of standards and improving quality of life type).
British red tape is world-beating red tape.
Is it just me or do I picture Gove with that same facial expression as the pic above but whilst
hanging from a hastily strung lamppost nooseshouting and ranting nationalist slogans in front of floor to ceiling union jacks with a baying cheering blood thirsty crowd below?
Actually, probably not Gove, but whoever this rabble leave in their wake when they've trousered their millions and ****ed off.
Do you remember when Brexit was going to deliver £350 million a week to save the NHS? Cummings himself admits that it was a key message that persuaded droves of people to vote for Brexit.
Brexiters are now resorting to just saying 'it might not be that terrible something something borders something something sovereignty', whilst refusing to admit they got anything wrong or told any lies.
Do you remember when Brexit was going to deliver £350 million a week to save the NHS?
Indeed I do, but the few 'Brexity' people I know get all aggressive whenever I mention it now. It is almost like it wasn't really about the NHS for them....
@Binners it is quite terrifying. As you say he will suffer zero consequences of this. It is a constant source of wonder to me that a rich, privately schooled and Oxford educated solicitor has somehow managed to hoodwink the people of a poor Northern working class constituency that he's on their side. When the shit hits the fan I don't know what way the anger will be directed.
When the shit hits the fan I don’t know what way the anger will be directed.
I think you do...
That's the thing about the new populism. The one thing you never do is admit mistakes, or being conned and you never ever apologise. You find the nearest minority and blame them.
It is a constant source of wonder to me that a rich, privately schooled and Oxford educated solicitor has somehow managed to hoodwink the people of a poor Northern working class constituency that he’s on their side.
And the tories are laughing themselves silly about it. The great unwashed being conned into voting against their own interest? They're swapping jokes about it over their fillet steaks.
Do you remember when Brexit was going to deliver £350 million a week to save the NHS?
Indeed I do, but the few ‘Brexity’ people I know get all aggressive whenever I mention it now.
Is it the same argument as right after the vote of "we didn't say we would spend an extra £350m/week on the NHS, we just said 'let's spend £350m/week on the NHS' which is completely different and everybody knew we weren't actually suggesting that"
Just like if I give my friend a call and say "I've got the day off work tomorrow, let's meet at Ladybower car park at 9am for a ride". That in no way means that I will be going for a ride tomorrow, it just means that I'm saying it's something that I could choose to do given that I've got the day off. If he's stood there on his own wondering where I am then frankly he's got nobody to blame but himself!
Have we done the mini metro advert yet? It was crass for 1980, yet it still encapsulates the mentality.
Lynne, I'm not driving a mini metro
I'll just speak over you
No idea Danny, I fear you could be right but this current government is attracting a reputation for being every which kind of useless. I'm not sure they'll be able to completely disown the mess.
The fact that when Keir Starmer took over from Magic Grandad, 5 months ago, Joris had a 26% lead in the polls, which is now down to 0%, would suggest that they’re not getting away with as much as they thought they would.
Going in for a No Deal/crash out Brexit, with all the economic carnage that involves, with a 26% poll lead is one thing. Going in to attempt the same with no poll lead at all and Jorises personal rating in freefall is another thing entirely.
I suspect the real powers that be in the Tory party, ruthless bastards that they are, will be having a word with a Joris about the ‘wisdom’ of this lunacy and the chances of them ever being re-elected.
Let’s hope so anyway. The grown ups wrestling back some control from Cummings and his ‘Vote Leave’ lunatics must surely be on the cards given this ridiculous summer of failure after failure
Well they are learning a hard lesson about what smashing up the economy actually means. Its all "Project Fear" until your commercial property portfolio is getting arsed, and then its "um, guys you really need to buy Pret sandwiches. Please."
The next United Kingdom general election is scheduled to be held on <b>Thursday 2 May 2024</b>, in line with the Fixed-term Parliaments Act.
Torys have 2 years to do what the hell they want. 80 majority means de Pfeffel can do anything Cummings wants. They only really need to start thinking about public option in about 2 years time.
We. Are. All. F***ked.
I suspect the real powers that be in the Tory party, ruthless bastards that they are, will be having a word with a Joris about the ‘wisdom’ of this lunacy and the chances of them ever being re-elected.
Let's hope so. They know full well that Joris isn't committed to anything other than his own vanity (be it through his 'position', his 'standing' or his cock). They also know that the insurgent parasitic body within the conservative party aren't going to stick around one way or the other. Let's hope they do the political equivalent of holding him over the side of a high bridge by his ankles to show him how easily he can be got rid of.
Unfortunately, these same 'traditional' conservatives have either already been purged or are hedging their bets. Joris did manage to con the Red Wall Racists into voting Tory after all. Quite a few of them may keep quiet to surf the populist wave for their own benefit.
I would love someone like Ken Clarke emerge in a Martin Sheen-esque manner from the swamp and do in old Boris. But I can't see it.
One thing Cumstains has been very good at is realising how to target individual groups and work out which (often totally incompatible) lies to tell which group. And how to use different channels to keep the lies separate.
We. Are. All. F***ked.
Already ****ed. The only way is down.
Cummings and co have binned a 26 point poll lead in 5 months. They’ve not even been in power a year and they’re in freefall
And let’s be honest, all the Labour Party has done is sit back, let them get on with it and not be Jeremy Corbyn. A winning strategy, it looks like.
Surely to god, everyone but the full on ERG headbangers in the party know that no deal will be an absolute disaster?
Ultimately our only potential saviour is Jorises well documented cowardice. He never had the slightest commitment to this Brexit lark in the first place. Neither did Gove. They were just a pair of opportunistic chancers that spotted a handy bandwagon to jump on. Cummings doesn’t give a shit either. He Just wanted to show everyone how clever he is.
I live in hope that Joris will bottle it at the eleventh hour and agree to regulatory alignment in return for maintaining access to the single market and customs union
If he doesn’t, we are indeed well and truly ****ed!
