well I think you mean they realise that the HoL will block it....
HoL can only delay not block
Sunlight uplands people, just not with those wealthy European's coming over here and spending money on holidays by Orient Express..foreigners, we don't need thier money.
What a parochial little backwater this country has become
I can't get dog leads for my dog anymore either.
I use Flexi leads of Germany to keep my Karelian Bear Dog on a (10metre) leash. The last one two years ago was £30, having worn it out the cheapest replacement after searching everywhere is £67, people on Ebay are selling them for £150+ so I'm guessing the supply has dried up.
Bert thinks leavers are ****s too and he's only a dog.
More evidence that control is being taken back. By "taken back" I mean that it is being placed in the hands of the aristocracy and landowning elite (and their cohorts/paid lackys in our government) at the expense of wider society.
Oh, and this has little to do with farmers in the traditional sense. These people pushing for change are not farmers as you or I would see them. I hate it when we all get tarred with the same brush.
To also add: the current evacuation underway in Sudan. EU and member countries are working together on this one, as they do being members of the Union.
Of course the UK now has to make it's own arrangements.
This was the same when my sister and family were evacuated from India in the pandemic - many European citizens got out a) a week earlier and b) under the support of *any* European country seeking to evacuate their citizens and EU citizens. My sister and family, plus two other brit families and 5 British kids they were loco-parentis for at the international school had to sit it out for a week after everyone else had left...and then all pile into taxi's after a 1hour warning that there *may* be flights being put on by UK.
More unintended consequences people.
The papers already have that last bit covered... they sent in the SAS. Obviously when you dig the tiniest bit deeper you see that it was for just embassy staff and not the general UK / Sudan public but still. The EU didn't send in their elite forces so we "must" be better.
The EU didn’t send in their elite forces so we “must” be better.
Indeed, because there is a multi-country shared response underway to get any EU citizen, regardless of country, out of Sudan at the moment.
Meanwhile we go it alone but hide that behind the special forces headline...
We have no friends so we had to send in the big boys to do half a job, doesn't quite the same ring to it despite being far more accurate but then I guess after Afghanistan its fairly obvious the government couldn't give two hoots about UK nationals abroad.
We have no friends so we had to send in the big boys to do half a job, doesn’t quite the same ring to it despite being far more accurate
Nailed it.
after Afghanistan its fairly obvious the government couldn’t give two hoots about UK nationals abroad
They're abroad soaking up all manner of blasphemous abroadness, so they are borderline traitors anyway. They should look on the bright side, though, they're still ahead of locals who have served us in some way. They can't even get ahead of dogs onto the plane. But that's their hard luck for not being born in the greatest country in the universe.
FWIW I think cock-up is way ahead of conspiracy here - having your own civilian nationals in direct danger abroad is never a good look, especially if you're into all the chest-beating nationalism schtick. So I strongly suspect utter incompetence and a refusal to acknowledge that reducing our international co-operation might have consequences is to the fore here.
I particularly enjoyed a little aside on R4 earlier when Andrew Mitchell had to say for the second or third time that the only current advice for UK nationals was to stay indoors because it was dangerous to venture out. The interviewer just said "They've probably figured that out for themselves".
And even that ignores the point someone on the ground said - stay indoors and await instructions - how? Given that communications are pretty much all down - how are those people huddling under their kitchen tables going to be reached?
how are those people huddling under their kitchen tables going to be reached?
Text alarm?
And just to add, this is the price you pay for elevating quarterwits like Cleverly to high office.
Text alarm?
Funnily enough I didn't get a text alarm.
Did they outsource that one to Dido Harding as well?
EU countries have been bringing British citizens back on their flights. Most still stuck there though.
Did they outsource that one to Dido Harding as well?
Nah to Fujitsu. So I expect a few post office owners will have had the police sent round to them.
Funnily enough I didn’t get a text alarm.
If you were on Three (or any VNO reselling Three such as Smarty who I'm with) then it didn't work.
EU countries have been bringing British citizens back on their flights. Most still stuck there though.
Channel 4 news we’re showing lots of British citizens being flown out of there by the French Air Force, who were actually doing something, as opposed to ‘Global Britain’ which is still sat with its thumb up its arse, as per.
God help anyone who’s depending on the Foreign Office to do anything useful to get them out.
While French, German, Italian and Spanish transport aircraft are flying people out en masse (including UK nationals), Andrew Mitchell was telling channel 4 news about the meetings he’s organised to discuss the options 🙄
Nah to Fujitsu. So I expect a few post office owners will have had the police sent round to them.
Subcontracted to a company linked to Sunak's wife I beleive.
That horrible EU that created a military airlift capability to respond to international emergencies and disasters for the benefit of all members, but the frothing Brexiteers rejected it for the sake of Dambusters, 2 World Wars and a World Cup overflowing with sovereignty…
Andrew Mitchell was telling channel 4 news about the meetings he’s organised to discuss the options
And he's the leading light on this with Cleverly where exactly? Either running around like a Beaker/Fawlty hybrid getting in everyone's way or, more likely, slumped in the corner head in hands gibbering "make it all go away" whilst everything goes on around him. If these senior ministers are the best we can do we are ****ed.
Puts it all quite well, doesn’t he. Glad he mentioned the burden and confusion for SMEs, and the reality of producing product for sale beyond our borders.
An even more succinct summary of the new normal…
https://twitter.com/vanmaneuro/status/1652205284956225536?s=21
would have made for an interesting discussion round the christmas dinner table if his ol' man was still about.
I got to about here...
this self-serving righteous cant has become too much to bear
...nodded in agreement and got on with the important business of wondering whether I'll play GTA or Metroid when I get home.
At last, someone feels bad enough to use the correct word to describe the situation.
When you get to it you'll realise why I was laughing hysterically in the supermarket.
How long before the anger bubbling away overflows?
When you get to it you’ll realise why I was laughing hysterically in the supermarket.
🤣🤣
^ x2 🤣
I read that with my first cup of tea this morning, it caused a spluttering of mirth!
The best description so far! 😂
I have never thought much of Keegan but this analysis rings true - especially with the polling data showing that repudiating brexit would be a vote winner for labour even in the red wall seats
Remainers such as Starmer are being weak in bowing to the view that this country has to stick to the results of a “democratic” referendum that was conducted on false pretences and has proved to be a colossal mistake.
You can’t turn back time. That’s why we now need to “stick to the results”… once we had left… we had left… there is not a magic undo switch. That’s why leaving without further work, consultation and consideration was so fool hardy. Leaving the EU was not something that could be “tried” and then reversed if it didn’t work out once reality bit hard. The long slow road of rebuilding relationships and improving arrangements with the EU (as a non-EU country) starts now.
Woosh - point missed. the first step is accepting it was a mistake and understanding that heading back to the EU is a vote winner not a vote loser for labour
did you even read the article?
Yeah, I read it. No point Labour telling anyone that Brexit was a mistake… they’ll work it out for themselves. What Labour need to do is point out that the current situation clearly isn’t nearly good enough, and needs solid and continual work to improve on. The oven ready deal is raw in the middle and needs throwing out… time to start looking at the ingredients of a new meal. Not enough of that happening right now. What do we need to change, how do we get that change…? With an acceptance that it’s going to be long slow hard work, not something that can turnaround quickly.
But Starmer and co keep on doubling down and refusing to even make tiny steps - they have become brexiteers and now share the blame with the tories rather than sticking the blame on the tories
this weird pretense that they can do brexit better and everything will be OK. they cannot. The only thing is to move back closer and closer to the EU. labours stance is a vote loser and its fundamentally dishonest
When you get to it you’ll realise why I was laughing hysterically in the supermarket
I've a feeling it's been pulled (see note at bottom) - or else I missed it in the article
Starmer having to pretend Brexit is/was a good idea is just a mark of how tainted the UK is by the whole thing.
He's an intelligent bloke, a former QC who is having to dumb down to pretend that the UK's biggest political* mistake since WW2 is a bad thing.
That tells you a lot about how the politicians perceive the electorate - and it isn't flattering.
As for how we are perceived in Europe - a mixture of ridicule and pity.
*Excluding the war-based ones - notably Suez and Iraq.
Its pathetic. Stating brexit is a huge mistake and moving back to the EU is imperative would be a vote winner. Thats the worst bit of Starmers enthusiastic embrace of brexit.
He could and should have dumped all the blame on the tories,. Instead he has taken shares in it. Stupid, short sighted and a vote losing position
Stupid, short sighted and a vote losing position
That's clearly not what his strategy advisors are telling him, though.
And that is a reflection on us.
But it is what the polls are telling us. By taking this he is concentrating on the "red wall" even tho even there the polls show disavowing brexit would be a vote winner and his position is a huge vote loser in remain areas.
Well if that is the case then his advisors are wrong.
It's no concern of mine, I didn't vote for this nonsense, and I can't vote for anyone who won't call it out for what it is. 🤷♂️
Me too. I cannot vote for a brexiteer party which is what labour are.
