Edukator – its freedom of movement without even needing a passport Look up the ireland / Uk common travel area. An Irish passport gives you more rights.
But Irish People do need a passport card or a Passport book to travel in the EU and NI citizens need a UK passport. The Irish passport card costs £35 and only lasts 5 years max or as long as the passport book so is at least as expensive as a full French passport per year.
I would argue that EU citizens who can travel the whole Shengen/EU on a free identity card have greater freedom of movement.
The other stuff also appears to be pesky regulations that stop people dying, stuffing up the environment, or hurting other people, or being worked to death or paid properly. And hoovers.
Yep, the vacuum cleaner seems an unhealthy obsession and the fracking, I can’t believe that people woke up and put an x in the leave box as fracking was on their mind or they wanted a faster ebike.
Not sure they’ll be happy with the ebikers ripping around at 40mph+ everywhere and you could always previously get one without losing all your working rights.
Point 7 in that list - remove benefits for agency workers?!
What the actual ****?!
You seem surprised. You shouldn’t be.
6 years... and this is the best that these arseholes can come up with?
More powerful vacuum cleaners.
We already have more powerful vacuum cleaners than we had before the stricter environmental regs were introduced… they want the regs changed to allow for less efficient ones… ie. ones that use more power, rather than have a more powerful action. Heavens knows why. Let’s just burn the planet to teach those pesky euro types that they can’t push us around.
Increase company profits; make the rich richer; make the poor poorer; sod the environment... What a list of the top 9 Brexit benefits.
Heavens knows why.
Because we don't like being told what to do by foreigners.
All the anti-EU sentiment really is that simple. Even if regulations are in our best interests; even if we aren't actually being told what to do by foreigners; even if in fact it is - well, was - us telling foreigners what to do. It doesn't have to have any bearing in reality or rationality. Incandescent lightbulbs, bananas of questionable bentness, vacuum cleaners, pounds and ounces, passport colours, it's all their fault. It'll be leaded fuel and bloody shillings next, mark my words.
You could tell people that Brussels has told us not to drink bleach and the gammon flag-shagger quarterwits would be down at Wilco tomorrow stripping the shelves clean of own-brand Domestos for no other reason than just to be ****ing contrary.
All the anti-EU sentiment really is that simple. Even if regulations are in our best interests; even if we aren’t actually being told what to do by foreigners; even if in fact it is – well, was – us telling foreigners what to do. It doesn’t have to have any bearing in reality or rationality.
Yep it’s a bit sad.
The fact they could only pick the best 9 out of 2000 as well, couldn’t even round it up tells you something of the er quality of the suggestions and actually having to ‘fish’ for benefits after you persuaded the people to vote for it would ring alarm bells.
Still flags out and wave.
To me the culmination of Brexit is that it is cloaking the U.K. in a mist of lies and the creation of a fantasy reality/history.
The years I lay in bed wanting to leave the EU so I could have an easier holiday pay calculation (said no one):-)
I really can’t get over something that most companies online payroll provider handles is even a ‘thing’.
(We managed it to do it when I worked in a shoe factory running the mainframe payroll software back in the day,printing payslips was fun).
From rees smogg's list up there ^^^
Number 9 - reduce requirements for electrical safety testing, including PAT.
H&S problem right there with added implications for negligence and corporate manslaughter.
What a half-wit.
One Tory trying to point out the obvious next step in the Brexit process…
You could tell people that Brussels has told us not to drink bleach and the gammon flag-shagger quarterwits would be down at Wilco tomorrow stripping the shelves clean of own-brand Domestos for no other reason than just to be ****ing contrary.
That really is rather well put.
TBH joining the Single Market would be a Brexit benefit as we couldn’t do it before(by virtue of er already being in it 🙂
In the long term pretty much expecting the U.K. to do something but it won’t be sold as a rejoining, a lot of Brexit pain goes away with it.
H&S problem right there with added implications for negligence and corporate manslaughter.
What a half-wit.
That’s the issue with the ebike and van thing as well TBh.
The electrical safety stuff isn’t even eu it’s a U.K. thing.
They may as well just close down the HSE and remove any requirements of the necessity of driving licences and drivers hours etc just have a big free for all.
Their voters love a health and safety ‘gorn mad’ when it’s not their kids dying in silly avoidable work accidents,HSE regs usually come in after someone’s proved the need for em.
TLDR ooh look a squirrel.
You could tell people that Brussels has told us not to drink bleach and the gammon flag-shagger quarterwits would be down at Wilco tomorrow stripping the shelves clean of own-brand Domestos for no other reason than just to be ****ing contrary.
It's also a pity no one thought of that before the referendum, a few bleach-related absences from the polling booth might have tipped the balance in favour of us grownups. 🤦
And no one would have realised they were in need of medical attention either - bright red and foaming at the mouth being normal for them. 🤣
Have we done the Tobias Elwood advocating re-joining the single market / customs union as a solution to cost of living, queues at Dover and The NI protocol yet?
Have we done the Tobias Elwood advocating re-joining the single market / customs union as a solution to cost of living, queues at Dover and The NI protocol yet?
Yes, might be on t'other thread, though.
I'm not surprised at one of these plonkers actually trying to suggest it as a 'Brexit Upgrade'.
What a shambles.
Edit - I see we have
I think Tobias Elwood has taken to trolling the headbangers now in control of the Tory party just to amuse himself and remind the nation that once upon a time, pre-2016, it did actually contain the odd sane person
Having met Mr Elwood and having had a short, but engaging conversation he did strike me as relatively sane as I’ve also encountered a few roasters like the grinning idiot, Liam Fox when he was SoS for Defence.
If a sensible compromise option (Norway style Single Market involvement) has to sold as “upgrading Brexit”, or “finishing Brexit”… so be it. As long as a route out of our current intransigence and self isolation can be sold to the voters… just get on with it. If only for the people of NI, and the GB SME’s being steadily cut out of all European markets (not just the EU).
Didn't we do this before? oh yeah, when we had the lorry driver shortage and they changed the rules and it led to 3 more lorrys being in the roads for 6 months due to the overwhelming uptake...
If the French could only discover some way to print the Crown symbol dimensionally larger than our actual pint glasses upon which it’s printed - might we then re-join the EU as a final ‘Brexit upgrade’ ?
Have we done the Tobias Elwood advocating re-joining the single market / customs union
I hope they remember the things that go with that package and why it wasn't in the deal.
Norway will veto any attempt to join EFTA. they have made that quite clear. 4 smallish economies do not need a much large economy mucking things up that have run smoothly for decades and thre UK is seen as a trouble maker
Elwood makes that point @Edukator - but as we’re short of labour for a good number of actors that might well be a benefit too.
Jet2 finally said it straight up - a lot of the airport chaos is simply down to Brexit and the lack of foreign workers who used to do those jobs.
So far everyone else has been going on about "unforeseen demand" and Covid and overbooked holidays but very few airports in Europe are seeing these sorts of issues.
In spain they also have to manually check and stamp the passports due to them being 3 country status.
Sort of also expected and direct consequence of Brexit.
I’m not sure how it’s going to pan out long term as the tourist industry don’t really it like it as it’s bad PR.
Jet2 finally said it straight up
The jet2 CEO also said British workers were lazy benefits scroungers. If companies like his didn’t pay poverty wages maybe he’d have more luck recruiting people.
The jet2 CEO also said British workers were lazy benefits scroungers.
British workers are benefit scroungers?
As Dire Straits once sang, "two men think they're Jesus... one of them must be wrong."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jet2-boss-blames-airport-chaos-27137175
Interesting also that easyJet and Swissport are reporting they can’t recruit because applicants are demanding more than the 17-24k they’re willing to pay. What conclusion should we draw from that regarding brexit?
Many airport based roles require years of training (and slow to obtain security checks). People can’t apply today, and be in place doing the job Monday. Starting salaries are lower than long term salaries. Not allowing qualified, cleared and experienced people to work at airports beyond their “home” airport… when in some cases they can literally get to them quicker than many people can get to their offices, is needlessly restrictive. It prevents short term mismatches of demand for air travel and availability of trained staff being dealt with in a sensible way. Brexit broke air travel for Brits.
Brexit broke air travel for Brits.
Good. We need fewer people flying.
they can’t recruit because applicants are demanding more than the 17-24k they’re willing to pay. What conclusion should we draw from that regarding brexit?
That wages - before and after Brexit - are/were too low.
Maybe acting to address that issue directly might have been a better idea than leaving the European Union and hoping that fairer wages might be an indirect result**?
**let's face it, they probably won't.
Maybe acting to address that issue directly might have been a better idea than leaving the European Union
I agree but to most brexit supporters this will be all the evidence they need that they made the right decision. Calling for an influx of foreign labour because British workers are demanding higher wages isn’t a good look.
Boss of Asda has pissed all over Johnsons Imperial Chips
Returning to imperial measures is 'complete and utter nonsense', Asda boss warns as government launches consultation
Tory peer and Asda chairman Lord Rose says returning to pounds and ounces would only please "a small minority who hark for the past".
“A small minority” that can be relied on to actually turn out vote, and vote for “complete and utter nonsense” that they would describe as “good old British common sense”. It’s a desperate attempt to get those people back on side… but Johnson is losing (even) them fast, and this won’t work.
The thing I don't get with this imperial system is why the effort is so half hearted.
Why not go the whole hog and re-introduce the imperial money system.
The thing I don’t get with this imperial system is why the effort is so half hearted.
Why not go the whole hog and re-introduce the imperial money system.
Because if his opponenets are going on about this imperial nonsense then they are not going on about partygate. Best thing we can do is ignore it . Besides the only thing they don't do halfarsed is line the pockets of their mates
Good. We need fewer people flying.
Going anywhere nice this year? 🤣
