So you’re stopping your kids from seeing their grandparents (and vice versa) because of brexit? FFS man it’s only politics
Grandparents used to be here for 6 months of the year. Covids a bastard
Moving back to the uk Brexit means a significant drop in standard of living and lifestyle
too easy to pay tax elsewhere
Things are finally starting to move there. One positive of Brexit perhaps… the EU can now push for international rules on making it harder for multinational companies to avoid taxes. The UK (and a few of the smaller states, including Ireland) where always a brake on such initiatives. Pretty obvious why we were, our offshore tax havens are the top three in the world, and all are highly interconnected with London.
For real life? Sweet!
Yes, the new premier is simultaneously removing the requirement to quarantine on arrival (at all - not even home quarantine), and expanding the definition of “close relatives” of citizens to include parents. Whoop.
Moving back to the uk Brexit means a significant drop in standard of living and lifestyle
I think we were/are comfortable with where things have been until now… but the concern is what will the place be like at this time next year? Food shortages and energy hyperinflation are not a tempting prospect. I work in Pharma, which I hope is relatively secure in the UK market but who knows?
Moving back to the uk Brexit means a significant drop in standard of living and lifestyle
Any figures beyond tabloid hysteria and pro-EU bias to back that up? You'll also need to define 'significant'.
Nah - don’t think I’ll bother.
You know we live here, right?
Source and full article for Kelvin's "chaos monkey" screenshot on the previous page:
https://www.ft.com/content/ff650169-34bc-4ac9-9dc9-dcc429c580ec
And despite the fantasies of Johnson & dazh its another example of brexit not improving the lot of UK workers, instead it just makes the UK less competitive and we end up importing more goods & losing jobs
This is exactly what's happing with the company I work for. All production and design engineering is is going offshore, that's around 100 staff going. Those of us (yes I'm one of the lucky ones) who are left will be relocated into a small sales office.
I would say that the great majority within the company (especially the ones who worked on the assembly lines) voted to leave, They used to say that they pay better at sainsburys. If that were the case I'm sure they would have gone.
All this talk about being given a fair wage for doing their job all it does is fuel inflation and no one is really better off. Appart for, I guess landlords who just put up rent.
Any figures beyond tabloid hysteria and pro-EU bias to back that up? You’ll also need to define ‘significant
50% drop in salary.
So… your company is trying to deal with the effects of the pandemic and Brexit at the same time… forgot about all that, what you should be doing (assuming you hope to stay in business beyond this mess of a winter) is to be preparing for the trade war…
Okay, this is in the Telegraph (no link, sorry, find it yourself if you subscribe) so it could be easy to dismiss as fantasy nonsense… but their man is in number 10 (well, he is sometimes)… and can you think of a better way for him to win the next election than presiding over a trade war, where you’re either on side or a collaborating traitor? Likelihood low, but you can bet it’s being weighed up by Johnson. Don’t rule it out.
Isn't this how Star Wars stars?
Chapeau molgrips 😂
Isn’t this how Star Wars stars?
'Start war-gaming now', nice language to play to the patriotic victim type, the Telegraph could teach the USSR how to win minds.
FFS man it’s only politics. Stop watching the news and you wouldn’t know the difference.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Says the eejit who was just greetin' cause he cannae go tae cartoon club.
I'm sure the fishermen and slaughter men will be pishin' themselves at the irony.
Anyone else I'd have sympathy for, in your case, what's that phrase again, something about a petard?
Re kelvin's post ^^^ - as if proof was needed that the torygraph is an arsewipe.
Well you can’t get stuff on the shelf’s currently so wot difference is a trade war going to make, different problem but the end effect appears the same to the public.
He’ll use whatever he thinks will get him another 5 years or provides needed distraction when required.
I do remember the first carrefour in Bristol as a kid in probably the end of the 70’s and the amazement of how much choice you had compared to what we were used to.
Like I say if you’ve never had it you don’t miss it so freedom of movement and lots of choice on the shelves will be forgotten if they can get a bit of time under the Brexit bridge.
The new norm.
Like I say if you’ve never had it you don’t miss it so freedom of movement and lots of choice on the shelves will be forgotten if they can get a bit of time under the Brexit bridge.
Social media will help demonstrate to the young that things are better elsewhere. In top of that, young people are being so screwed over by house prices etc that they are already looking for an alternative.
Looking at my own kids as they get older they are getting their influences from outside the family and immediate peers far more than we were as kids because of the diverse media they consume, so maybe this will help to break the cycle of people voting the way their parents did.
Winter of discontent 2.0
That's how history will remember this period, only it won't be used in reference to one particularly bad winter, it will refer to a whole decade.
I hope molgrips is right, that as the youth mature they will reject this UKIP vision of little Britain wholesale. Brexit divided the country by age more than anything else. My only fear is that the right wing will only be able to gain traction with future generations by luring them further down rabbit holes of conspiracy theories and extremist nationalism.
The long term outlook for the Conservative party is for them to get even nastier....much much nastier.
Social medias a double edged sword thou…..
Once you’ve mastered effective use of it you get where we currently are. Look at the targeted anti eu crap they put out, that unless you saw would’ve be unaware what was being used to manipulate people.
We only saw the scale of this after the fact.
I do think you need a more vibrant option than the Labour vs Tory stitch up.
Looking at my own kids as they get older they are getting their influences from outside the family and immediate peers far more than we were as kids because of the diverse media they consume, so maybe this will help to break the cycle of people voting the way their parents did.
The daughter of a colleague of my GF has been spat on at school for being Polish... I wish I shared your optimism, we are in a society where some sections regard racism as acceptable and also blame everyone else for their life.
mrmo - thats what happens when the party in power legitimises and stokes racism - deliberately.
Look at the targeted anti eu crap they put out,
Yeah, but are young people seeing it? Or old gammons?
Wot I’m getting at is they’ll just use the same playbook, hmm eu was stopping us Protecting polar bears doesn’t smell like bacon not everything was turkey joining the eu.
A depressingly accurate piece by Polly Toynbee in the Grauniad
The Tories are sacrificing Northern Irish businesses on the altar of Brexit purity
Here comes the destroyer, as David Frost, the Brexit minister, stomps into talks on the Northern Ireland protocol this week with European commission vice-president Maroš Šefčovič. His mission from Boris Johnson is to stir up Brexit trouble, and keep stirring: yes, even at the risk of stirring the darkest shadows of Northern Ireland’s history. Let Brexit never be done if it can keep alive the antagonisms that shot Johnson into No 10.
Have you noted Mail readers (Mail readers!!!) have said in the Mail on Sunday poll that if asked again they’d vote 45-39 to remain in the EU (I am assuming 16% don’t know but who knows).
I’ll repeat that. Mail readers.
Have you noted Mail readers (Mail readers!!!) have said in the Mail on Sunday poll that if asked again they’d vote 45-39 to remain in the EU (I am assuming 16% don’t know but who knows).
The numbers I saw were 45:36. If you assume that the 19% don't knows translates into none-voters, then that means a putative vote of 56%:44% Remain:Leave.
IIRC, the 2016 Leave vote was just over 1/3 of the voting population, so those numbers could be seen as the Leave vote holding up, but lots of non-voters moving to a remain position.
I’ll repeat that. Mail readers.
A survey for the Mail, but not necessarily of Mail readers, is my understanding.
Be interesting if the Mail decides to follow the money and change its tone - full page apologies for false stories and misleading it's readership to vote the wrong way, with opinion pieces demanding another referendum.....
What...sorry...must have nodded off, had the most peculiar dream.....
Be interesting if the Mail decides to follow the money and change its tone
They've a history of changing stance on the same day to sell more papers.
Yay, cheaper GroundEffect and Macpac kit.
Just don't try to buy Vaude or other European kit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58988711
Tbh aren’t the E.U in the process of negotiating one anyway.
So the Uks arrived earlier but what’s the price 🙂
Never mind a trade war - lets have some over the top Trafalgar Day celebrations. The Gammons can get all frothy about the really good old days!
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/features/trafalgar-day
Ahh the good old days when you’d wake up with a new job after having too many pints down the harbour tavern 🙂
Tbh they only get frothy over WW2 stuff as that’s the films they remember watching/hallucinating they lived thru.
Trafalgar Day is not exactly new news since Brexvid, is it?
Tbh they only get frothy over WW2 stuff as that’s the films they remember watching/hallucinating they lived thru.
That's something I never really understood about this whole notion of viewing WWII through pineapple-ringed spectacles. It ended in 1945, anyone who can even vaguely remember anything about it first-hand must be in their 80s or older.
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Full MemberThat’s something I never really understood about this whole notion of viewing WWII through pineapple-ringed spectacles. It ended in 1945, anyone who can even vaguely remember anything about it first-hand must be in their 80s or older.
I think inevitable tbh- the less people that remember it, and the less people that got first hand accounts from relatives that lived through it, the easier it gets to be jingoistic and flagwavey about it. I mean, i grew up with all the war films and Commando comics and action man and that but at the same time it was tempered by having assorted relatives around to occasionally tell us what it was really like, or have gigantic meltdowns at family parties about being a POW. Or younger relatives who missed the war but grew up in the immediate aftermath like my mum and dad. But that all gets thinner and thinner every year and so it gets easier to fantasise about it or hijack it.
That’s something I never really understood about this whole notion of viewing WWII through pineapple-ringed spectacles. It ended in 1945, anyone who can even vaguely remember anything about it first-hand must be in their 80s or older.
The Guardian has covered this
This week Iain Duncan Smith has been attracting no little criticism for suggesting civil servants need to get back into the office – presumably to protect precious small businesses such as Pret a Manger and commercial landlords with a diverse city-centre portfolio. In a really quite bizarre piece in the Mail on Sunday that included a segue about trying to get his motorcycle licence that any other writer on earth would have had firmly edited out, Duncan Smith – a man born in 1954 – wrote: “When I think of all the brave civil servants who went to work in the 1940s, determined to do their bit regardless of the threat from falling bombs, I wonder what has happened to us as a nation.” Well Iain, we got broadband.
Twice as many UK citizens have been killed by corona than UK civilians were killed in WW2
Its flag shagging basically and it plays into their fantasies of plucky UK
when the truth is were were not invaded because Hitler thought us Aryan ( to oversimplify greatly) and hoped we would join him and US industrial might and manpower actually defeated Germany along with Russian manpower
When I think of all the brave civil servants who went to work in the 1940s, determined to do their bit regardless of the threat from falling bombs, I wonder what has happened to us as a nation.” Well Iain, we got broadband
In line with the rest of the Brexiteers. IDS is as thick as mince. Maybe we should all smash our bathrooms up and install a privy at the bottom of our gardens while we’re at it? Rip our central heating out and get coal deliveries going again
I love the way these idiots endlessly bang on about cosy, patriotic, over-romanticised myths while ignoring the actual realities of an era they never lived through anyway, any more than I did. The ****ing clowns
Following binners post ^^^ rip up the decking and patio, get rid of hot hub.
Lawn, shrubs and trees - all out.
Your garden is now your allotment; dig for Britain- grow your own fruit'n'veg to survive austerity v2.
Rip out your block paved drive, park on the street if you still have a car; more growing space.
Use daily mail and express as arse wipes.
That overwhelming feeling of nostalgia - or is it nausea from the outpourings of the brain dead like drunken smith.
Could be huge opportunity for night soil men when outdoor bogs are in the resurgence.
“When I think of all the brave civil servants who went to work in the 1940s, determined to do their bit regardless of the threat from falling bombs, I wonder what has happened to us as a nation.”
I always like the ‘to do their bit’ bit 🙂
At the first sign of threat, air sirens and all that, you’d be scampering to a bunker and tbh there was no difference in threat between being sat in your office or asleep at home in your bed or walking down the st.
Even the fantasy makes no sense, did they stoically sit typing away whilst the bombs dropped around their desks, heroically typing that urgent memo about spam fritters.
That’s not even going on about the poor sods on the frontline who didn’t have a nice safe government job well away from the fighting.
Who err would most likely be us.
Twice as many UK citizens have been killed by corona than UK civilians were killed in WW2
A fact that needs writing on a boxing glove so we can punch them with it every single time they come out with this bollocks.
I'm "patriotic" by the standards of this place but I'm not a blinkered uneducated flag shagger by any means.
And plenty of public servants have been on the frontline in offices and doing home visits throughout the pandemic. And their actions, as well as those of us working from home, kept things working so we didn't have the complete collapse of public services that would have seen him and his party get thrown out on their ears.
So he can, frankly, **** right off.
