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Has anyone perused the Schedule of Retained Law for the bonfire at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/schedule-of-retained-eu-law.
Basically it's housekeeping that should be going on all of the time, surely?
Especially telling is where it says that these laws have already been revoked in WAL, SCO & NI since Brexit, so England has kept them just to make the bonfire look bigger.
Some are listed as having no effect since 1977! (edit, I found 1972), (edit 1958 - Maintenance Orders Act)
Some are on the books in error.
Some don't have a reason for revocation because the Department has yet to comment, but on the list anyway. just sloppy?
Will he **** off now?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/nigel-farage-leave-uk-brexit-failed-111255330.html
Some don’t have a reason for revocation because the Department has yet to comment, but on the list anyway. just sloppy?
Sloppy? You not been paying attention to the last few years?
More importantly how many are they going to slip in at the last minute, these will be the ones that really impact us ordinary folk.
Will he * off now?
Depends if he's satisfied with the pile of cash he's made *ing up the UK's postwar settlement for his masters. 🤷♂️
So very predictable
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65612295
One of the world's biggest carmakers has called on the government to renegotiate part of the Brexit deal or risk losing parts of its car industry.
Same BBC report said the UK will struggle to create a native battery industry.
Each day the UK feels smaller and less significant.
It's okay though, because EE at least are clawing some of that money back by reintroducing roaming charges in the EU from next month!
Ah good old ‘rules of origin’ shocker , suddenly ‘sneaks’ up although it’s been well known for years.
The owners of the UK's biggest manufacturer, Jaguar Land Rover, are currently being wooed by the Spanish government to host a gigafactory that had long been assumed to be being built in the UK
If this happens there will be 'scenes'
Unsurprisingly, the government have known this was coming for years and done absolutely nothing about it and now it’s the eleventh hour and their only ‘policy’ is to plead with the EU to renegotiate the agreement
More ‘magical thinking’ from the Brexiteers? Well who’d have thunk it?
He added that although the government under Boris Johnson wanted a "gigafactory" built in the UK, "essentially there's no industrial policy to back that up".
This for me is a key statement in the BBC story from above - no policy, no strategy AKA s**t Govt.
Policies & strategies require grown-ups in Govt to think past the end of the day, year and (more importantly) their time in office. I wonder though, is this the real 'British Disease', the reason that the country has basically been free-falling economically for the past 100 years. Personally it mirrors what I see day-to-day at work, a Management class so focused on getting through the day 'unmolested' that they've just no focus on the longer term.
Thoughts?
TBH the carmakers have also known this.
I’m always surprised that we don’t seem to have an existing U.K. battery maker willing to produce e.v. Batteries TBH. (Not as sexy as some unknown startup without a track record though)
I wonder though, is this the real ‘British Disease’
I agree, but I don't think there has ever been a tradition of competent government in the UK. We've always just been winging it - sometimes it pays off, because it made us flexible and mobile, and enabled individuals or small groups/corporations to see opportunities and get things done; but often it doesn't, especially when faced with more organised opposition.
This is exactly the issue. That recent book written about Boris Johnsons time in office said precisely this. He would announce 'policy' literally on the hoof without even discussing it with his aides or anyone in the departments tasked with delivering it. The example they gave was when he announced he had a plan to reform social care. he didn't. He hadn't given it a seconds thought, hadn't discussed it with anyone and just blurted it out when he was in a corner. Same with the 40 new hospitals, nuclear reactor every year and the car battery manufacture. Literally verbal incontinence, blurted out with absolutely no substance to it whatsoever.
His 'oven-ready deal' was just back of a fag packet stuff, chucked out there to make it go away. No thought at all was given to things like this. It was all just fingers crossed and hope it somehow sorts itself out. That seems to have been the whole principle behind brexit from day one. I wonder how many more of these time-bombs are waiting in the wings? Lots and lots, I'd imagine
And since Johnson its just been one long leadership campaign (as Cruella has continued this week) as a sucession of clueless Brexiteer ****-wits take their turn in the wheelhouse of the Titanic. No time for actual governing, planning, or anythign useful.
Brexiteer numbskull Kemi Badenoch is now tasked with sorting out this particular self-inflicted car crash. I'm sure it'll work out briliiantly for us all
The only "scenes" will be the ones in old boys clubs because they've not managed to milk the government grants for consultant fees, just like the last UK battery factory and the Ineos knock-off landrover factory.
TBH the carmakers have also known this.
But they can just up sticks and move to a country with a more welcoming, business-friendly environment that isn't run by a bunch of clowns.
Its hardly like there aren't many to choose from, within a stones throw
This always happens. They're jangling for more subsidies and tax breaks from the UK. This time around, it's more likely that they will leave tho.
Or avoiding tariffs which importing and exporting from the UK attracts now.
It's the stacking of tariffs that really hurts. Pay tariffs to import RoW parts. Pay again when moving a sub assembly made with UK, EU & RoW parts across a border. Pay again when selling a completed vehicle made up of parts from multiple territories across a border. Rules of origin stuff is what people didn't, and still don't get, about how inferior the "oven ready deal" is (and will be, as it's not "done" yet) to what we have lost.
Ahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!
It's the way she tells 'em.
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I see she's also backed it up with the usual explanation that the new trade agreement selling English fruit gums and custard creams to Nepal will more than compensate for the death of the car industry
^^^
Honestly, if anyone is still genuinely taken in by bullshitters like Badenoch, they are an utter ****ing cretin.
Honestly, if anyone is still genuinely taken in by bullshitters like Badenoch, they are an utter **** cretin.
allow me to introduce you to the membership of the Conservative & Unionist Party......
allow me to introduce you to the membership of the Conservative & Unionist Party……
Just reinforces my belief that Conservative party members genuinely are ****s
They're a very discerning bunch. I seem to recall that their previous darling, with similarly stratospheric approval ratings, was a certain Miss L Truss
That all went well.
allow me to introduce you to the membership of the Conservative & Unionist Party……
The only person whose name on that list that I recognise and who isn't a raging psycho is Tom Tugendhat.
High Priestess Penny of the Coronation Cult rapidly distanced herself from that whack-job event in London earlier this week.
the membership of the Conservative & Unionist Party
It's the electorate that worries me. The last two opportunities they've had they have gone into the polling booth and ticked the box marked 'Xenophobic-Nationalist-Fantasy'.
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Is that the working title of the next Bond film?
Is that the working title of the next Bond film?
Yes. The final scene is Bond taking down a squadron of SU-27s in a Spitfire whilst whistling Colonel Bogey.
He then strafes a dinghy of refugees in the Channel to use up the last of his ammo on the way back to base.
I’m always surprised that we don’t seem to have an existing U.K. battery maker willing to produce e.v. Batteries TBH.
There probably is, but not to the costs required to make it feasible for the tiny base of car makers we have left here.
I think there was a book about 15years ago titled "no labels" it talked about how the sri lankan government was losing money to the likes of Nike but cutting them so many tax breaks, they were effectively paying them. By building the factories and not charging for use or any tax.
That's where we're going.
Personally it mirrors what I see day-to-day at work, a Management class so focused on getting through the day ‘unmolested’ that they’ve just no focus on the longer term.
That was my experience of working in larger enterprises. A "what will serve me best here" approach from the managerial class, compared with the small company, what's best for the organisation as this needs to pay the bills until I retire.
I think there was a book about 15years ago titled “no labels” it talked about how the sri lankan government was losing money to the likes of Nike but cutting them so many tax breaks, they were effectively paying them. By building the factories and not charging for use or any tax.
That’s where we’re going.
The book is No Logo by Naomi Klein. Anyone who hasn't read it, really should, because its exactly where we're headed. The 'Freeports' so lauded by the Brexiteers are the favourite of authoritarian regimes everywhere. The Burmese and Sri Lankan gob=vernemnt call them 'Export Processing Zones' which isn't as catchy as 'Freeports' but they're the same.
Its an area where not only tax laws are different, but entire areas are handed over to be ruled by independent authorities with a level of autonomy fromn the state to basically make up the rules as they go along. You'll be unsurprised to hear that the first thing to be water ed down are employment rights and environmental controls.
If you look at their history then you'll see why the Brexiteers are so keen on them.
But definitely read No Logo and the follow up The Shock Dcotrine, as they are both blueprints for where this lot would ideally like to take Post_Brexit Britain
A “what will serve me best here” approach from the managerial class, compared with the small company, what’s best for the organisation as this needs to pay the bills until I retire.
Also the approach taken by our current political class and the wellbeing of the country.
The only person whose name on that list that I recognise and who isn’t a raging psycho is Tom Tugendhat
One only has to look at the speaker list at the recent National Conservative Conference to see which way the Tories are heading
I think there was a book about 15years ago titled “no labels”
25 years ago!
As I always say, "Freeports, loved by criminals, disingenuous politicians and gullible voters everywhere".
25 years ago!
Indeed. And I remember reading it and thinking how terrible it was that rich western governments and companies were so easily prepared to ruthlessly exploit the cheap (almost slave) labour and lax regulation supplied by corrupt authoritarian regimes
Little did we know at the time that their ultimate aim was to replicate the same conditions here.
I bet they still can't believe that they got 52% of the****ing morons countries population to actually vote for it, by waving some flags and feeding them some old bollocks about sovereignty!
I bet they still can’t believe that they got 52% of the****ing morons countries population to actually vote for it, by waving some flags and feeding them some old bollocks about sovereignty!
Best sovereignty in the world!
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National Conservative Conference
"National Conservatism" right wing group tells you everything you need to know about how these people actually think.
Miriam Cates is an ex-tenant of mine and her husband was our lodger for a year when they first met. I am appalled by her values and attitudes now - it is not the person I recognise
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https://www.museumsassociation.org/museums-journal/news/2023/05/controversy-over-rightwing-thinktank-dinner-at-natural-history-museum/#
National Conservative Conference
Apparently this has no connection to the Tory party at all, but is instead opaquely-funded by one of those right-wing libertarian organisations from the states. Which is the direction our politics is heading unless we can eject these clowns as soon as possible.
Apparently this has no connection to the Tory party at all
Yet a speech made there by the present Home Secretary, that could have been written by Tommy Robinson, was then duly fully endorsed by the Prime Minister.
The holders of the 2 highest offices of state now openly and unapologetically flirting with the extreme right wing politics of the MAGA Trumpian headbangers in the US. This is where the absolutely corrosive, toxic, nationalist rhetoric of Brexit has got us.
Is anyone able to explain the Cadwalladr ruling in really simple terms? Is it that the public interest defence she relied on only had a limited shelf life or something? How does that work? 'Cause he did meet with Russian embassy staff, didn't he? At least, there are still searchable mainstream media reports suggesting he did.
From a purely selfish pov, what chance do you think I have in 10 years time of an extended 2yr sail in the med? Buying a little boat & heading south down the French canals for an adventure has long been my retirement plan….. Max 3 months doesn’t really cut it.
Whats wrong with proper red, white and blue British canals and the North Sea, eh?
TRAITOR!!!
dants
couple of options - in theory you should be able to apply for a longer visa tho its not clear how or 2) no one will know until you return to the UK. I have no idea what penalty there would be for overstaying. I doubt the french would care
The med ports are actually highly regulated & policed.
Whats wrong with proper red, white and blue British canals and the North Sea, eh?
I think you'll find they're mostly brown nowadays.
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I reckon you could do that retirement boat trip if you rush out and get yourself a Golden visa from Portugal, plenty of time to become a Portuguese citizen and meander across Europe at your leisure:-)
What makes Portugal Golden Visa so sought after? In a nutshell:
Portuguese Golden Visa provides a range of relatively affordable investment options for you to choose from in obtaining your residence permit.
You are only required to spend a minimum of seven days in Portugal per year.
Portugal Golden Visa Program gives you visa-free access to the Schengen states.
You can become a Portuguese citizen within five to six years.
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Yeah, but the will of the people was totally frozen in time, immutably, on 23rd June 2016.
By a supposedly advisory referendum.
It's all a bit like Leave voters were being played and the manipulators are trying to do everything in their power to suppress any subsequent revising of that vote.
Weird, eh?
@nickc that's a bit of a loaded question as I'm sure you know. The referendum asked if you thought we would be better off out, which also has the concept of 'could' be better off out rolled into it. But that survey question is also a judgement on how it has been executed. So you could easily still be in favour of leaving, but just not happy about how it's been done.
Oh sure, It's terribly loaded, I just thought it was interesting. After Nigel said that Berexit Had "been a failure" I wondered whether it would've had an effect on the population.
Here's the complete YouGov article Most Britons say Brexit has been ‘more of a failure’ | YouGov
Polling asking "was it a mistake to leave the EU" is 2:1 that it was a mistake. similar numbers for rejoin. Constant movement in that direction. I do note that Starmer is making more positive noises about the EU now but still refusing to actually say he will do anything of significance.
Oh sure, It’s terribly loaded, I just thought it was interesting.
I agree, and I also think a lot of people other than die-hard brexiteers will be unable to separate the concept of potential from the actual execution. Which for remainers is a good thing.
The referendum asked if you thought we would be better off out, which also has the concept of ‘could’ be better off out rolled into it.
I'm not disagreeing with your overall point but FTR the question was:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
Just because most people think Brexit was crap, that doesn't mean most people want to reopen the issue immediately. I don't think there is great enthusiasm in the wider population for this sort of stuff - example, Brenda from Bristol. But of course there is one way to find out...
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/brenda-from-bristol
Agree.
"I do note that Starmer is making more positive noises about the EU now but still refusing to actually say he will do anything of significance"
I want him to say as little as possible on the matter, anything he says will be taken down and used as evidence against him by the right wing press. Even the Lib Dems aren't pushing too hard with Europe questions.
Both Labour and the Lib Dems are banking on the public to trust them to do a better job of negotiating with Europe than the current shower and leaving it at that for now.
No one I know and have discussed this with will vote labour - even life long labour voters like me- because of Starmers attitude, cowardice and gaslighting
tj,
I don't know where you live and how safe the seat you live in is or not but I've voted not for Labour twice. Didn't make any difference to the outcome though as I happen to live in the Socialist Republic of Manchester and because of our voting system, my contribution or not made little difference.
I'm hoping for a hung parliament, Lib / Lab pact and a motion towards electoral reform and proportional representation. If this were to be achieved, I might even call it a Brexit bonus...
Ultimately, those who start a revolution rarely get what they wanted. The Brexit revolutionaries have achieved nothing constructive, rather like the MAGA mob in America, (Even Tucker Carlson says so). Perhaps ironically, the Brexit vote may have made it more likely that electoral reform can be achieved.
And to my mind, electoral reform would be a constructive thing. More constructive than had we stayed in Europe? Potentially yes.
Cowardice?
This isn't the charge of the light brigade. He's in a strong position; coming down heavily on one side or another could well blow up in his face and would be very foolish. That's why he's a prominent politician with a good chance of being the next PM, and we aren't.
The aim is to be PM, not enact your fantasy.
No one I know and have discussed this with will vote labour
Everyone I've spoken to is voting Labour.
My seat is safeish SNP
Its not a fantasy molgrips
Starmers position is miles behind the electorate and he is not even following the public mood. Ruling out any significant rapprochement with the EU will lose him votes I have no doubt and could well lose him a majority. But I cannot vote for a brexiteer party under any circumstances. Its utter cowardice to be so scared of the tory press that he will not even follow public opinion. How much further will public opinion have moved by the time of the election? How many seats will labour not take because of this? How many with the lib dems take? How many will the SNP take? How much further would public opinion move if labour backed rejoin?
Its also the gaslighting " we will make brexit work" utter nonsense
I think being in Scotland where we have politicians who say " brexit is a disaster we must rejoin" gives a different view on this. Here and in many English seats there is a choice of a pro rejoin party - lib dems will make big gains as they did in the locals on the back of this
coming down heavily on one side or another could well blow up in his face and would be very foolish.
He has come down strongly on the brexiteer side - and yes I think that will blow up in his face
No one I know and have discussed this with will vote labour –
To be fair, that's a very Scottish conundrum and is as much about Labour's attitude to independence as it is Starmer or Brexit.
many of them have been life long labour voters - like I was until 2016.
Starmers adoption of brexit is hugely offputting
apologies - I should have known better
Starmers adoption of brexit
That is just not what's happening no matter how many times you repeat it.
It is Molgrips. No CU. no SM, no freedom of movement. "Make brexit work". He is now a brexiteer and its nonsense to pretend otherwise He has wholeheartedly adopted brexit and is refusing to make any significant steps to reverse it.
Compare his stance to the SNP and Lib Dems ( I assume the welsh nationalists as well)
Please. Just. Stop. You two will never agree on this and the whole world and their dog are painfully aware of the stance you both take. It doesn't need repeating on every. ****ing. Page!
No one I know and have discussed this with will vote labour
This is the most anecdotal of anecdotal evidence!
My seat is safeish SNP
No SNP seat is safe.
Raphael Behr on point again.
No point in whinging - we voted for less 'foreign' in our lives - ignoring the fact that cooperation with other countries is in our best interest most of the time.
Still, blue passports, eh?
As a post-script I heard an American accent on R4 earlier extolling the virtues of Brexit Britain going it alone on data protection and how Europe will struggle to be as flexible. Then I realised he worked for a US big data firm and was practically creaming himself at the prospect of getting into NHS data etc. The vultures are circling and we invited them. 🙄
I heard that interview* with the Palantir guy as well... I was more depressed by the way he was "interviewed" than his obvious agenda. We're for sale, and he made it clear we're easier to buy because of Brexit... but no push back at all about why it might be that other countries don't want their citizens and their data so easily sold to his company.
[ *jump in at about 1:53 here ]
No SNP seat is safe.
I strongly believe that once the campaign starts and the SNP hammer away at the "two cheeks of the same arse " and " labour brexiteers" that this will severly dent labours recovery in Scotland
Meh. SNP have severe problems they need to address and a general election is not one of them.
^ Chris Grey
If full-bore EU re-entryism is so popular, why did it crater the Lib Dems and why aren't the Lib Dems popular again?
(Answer: it's not a popular policy).