Was reminded of this lecture by Ivan rogers
its quite impressive but he predicted pretty much every aspect of Johnson's 'quick & dirty' tariff & quota free deal- Canada --
That Christmas Future section should have been required reading before the last “get Brexit done” election.
Not playing out well for the Scottish fishing industry:
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Back at work this week and have been trying to work out what this deal means to the company I work for. Have said before that we supply components to the rail industry world wide and are big players in Europe.
Very similar fears to me (see my previous posts). Our company has various factories around the world but the main customer for the uk factory is Europe. We assemble products using parts mainly from the far east and India and net tariffs have increased significantly.
We are waiting to see how the company will react to this.
Just had a look at the Trek website and it appears that prices have jumped about 14%, from memory they have a central distribution hub in the Netherlands.
Scottish fishing industry wasn't ready. There's a lot of pedantic detail in the forms and they're not all geared up. Many relied on groupage, which requires all sellers on that lorry to get the paperwork right or the whole load gets rejected. So there's less groupage on offer. The logistics infrastructure is also trying to get to grips with workload and inconsistencies in the application of rules / guidance at various steps on the journey. Health Certs very time consuming, underresourced and eating into shelf life.
oldbloke - apparently it takes 5 hours to do a full inspection on a truck load of mixed fish. Everything has to be unloaded and checked, that time is unnaffordable when you are on a 24hr sea to market deadline.
this is for the shellfish from the west coast. A fair bit of the catch there is no market for it in the UK
when did you last eat a squat lobster of a velvet crab?
TJ, i work in aquaculture and the process of getting exports away is painfully familiar as so much of the process is the same as white / shellfish and the logistics chains are the same. I'm inside this nightmare as it develops by the hour and day.
I mentioned the EHC issue. Crude numbers - 10-15% inspection required. For us I think one artic can take up to 1000 boxes / 24 pallets which has to unload, break pallet wrap, 100-150 boxes to open, inspect, reseal, repack onto pallets, reload. Vet time is one thing, but then there's waiting in the queue for the vet. None of that had to be done before. And the worst thing is it is pointless. Can't check health properly as that would be better done at the processing site.
Just had a look at the Trek website and it appears that prices have jumped about 14%, from memory they have a central distribution hub in the Netherlands.
Up 14% from when? There was a big hike across the board from when I started looking at road bikes in say April to when I picked it up again in November, but I think this was the due to a big spike in demand and a big fall in output due to COVID.
Channel 4 news tonight are reporting that the reason that Kent isn’t a lorry park yet is because none of the loads have left the yards.
The bureaucracy and form filling for each load, pre-Brexit, would take 20 minutes. With all the new paperwork it is now 6-7 hours. That’s for each truck. Multiply that across a whole fleet of artics and you’ve warehouses upon warehouses full of stuff that’s going absolutely nowhere
The MD of a huge logistics firm was interviewed (stood in front of rows of parked up trucks) and saying how in the next few weeks big manufacturers will be shutting down production lines as they can no longer get parts in or out of the country
Hurray for sovrinty
https://twitter.com/mrdjones/status/1348735196691001349?s=21
Up 14% from when? There was a big hike across the board from when I started looking at road bikes in say April to when I picked it up again in November, but I think this was the due to a big spike in demand and a big fall in output due to COVID.
Within the last few days/weeks I think because I was looking at a Procaliber 9.7 which has gone up £280. Which is more like 11% but still annoying.
Up 14% from when? There was a big hike across the board from when I started looking at road bikes in say April to when I picked it up again in November, but I think this was the due to a big spike in demand and a big fall in output due to COVID.
As per the other thread, go onto the YT website, choose a bike for UK and checkout.
According to my pal his top-spec Capra from a couple of years ago had a £50 shipping charge - same high-end bike is now nearly £200 plus custom duty of nearly £600.
I think it is in the last few days, I was looking last week and I am sure they were lower. They are certainly higher as one bike I was looking at was under my cycle to work threshold and is now substantially above it.
Personal imports of meat and dairy products banned from EU since Brexit transition ended
So on your next trip abroad don't stock up with travel snacks until you're safely across the Channel!
Worst thing is on our next family holiday drive to France we can't take a packed lunch
It looks to me that Trek have just put their prices up 10% … if you look in the right places you can still see bikes at the pre-increase price in their site. Eg Slash 9.7 is £4000 in their tool that helps you find the right bike… and £4400 on the product page. On the French product page it is €4499 (~£4040).
Procalibre 9.7 has gone from 2550 to 2825
9.8 from 3100 to 3450
so about 11% or so.
Ah, it’s only some models. 🤷🏻♂️
Perhaps they’re updating them for models with no stock already the right side of the border.
So on your next trip abroad don’t stock up with travel snacks until you’re safely across the Channel!
It’s just a ploy to make you pay for the overpriced french motorway food 🙂
It’s funny what little things are coming out the woodwork.
Hmmmm, Madame has just agreed to clear the shelves of tinned mackeral and sardines in Leader Price tomorrow.
Do they not get those from Brittany?
I believe most mackeral and sardines in French tins come from British waters so if some were being caught by British boats and exported there will be less arriving in France on the basis of the above news stories.
Over the last four years I've learned make personal decisions based on Brexit news. I'll keep an eye on the prices and availability of my favourite products and see if there's an impact. There's no indication of origin on the tins.
There was a French fisherman on the news who commented that French boats caught a lot of white fish that the Brits like and the British waters were rich in Lobster, sardines and mackeral that the French like, or something like that.
That's all true. But I thought the canning plants of Brittany were a big source of the tinned oily fish on French shelves...? But of course that could include fish caught by UK fisherman and exported fresh to be canned down there. All this working together is being thrown up in the air right now, isn't it. Depressing.
If you fancy cheering yourself up then why not have a read about the British ex-pats who are now finding out that when they voted to end Freedom of Movement, that means them too. 😀
Brexit leaves Spain's Costa Brits facing dilemmas
But they all knew what they were voting for, right?
tinned is not the issue Edukator - its the fresh stuff especially shellfish.
There was a French fisherman on the news who commented that French boats caught a lot of white fish that the Brits like and the British waters were rich in Lobster, sardines and mackeral that the French like, or something like that.
This is true - and also the shellfish for which there is no market in the UK. Squat Lobster, Velvet crab etc.
But they all knew what they were voting for, right?
They didn't all vote for Brexit.
They didn’t all vote for Brexit.
apparently we all did? Sadly it is going to get far worse over the next few weeks.
Telegraph: Foreign truckers bringing freight to Britain have raised their prices by almost 700% over impact of new customs controls and fears of getting stranded in the UK.
Silly question why do the trucks have to make the complete journey with the same driver and cab unit?
Apart from compatibility between trailers, and who owns and maintains it. Registration and MOT rules. Paper work hand over and tracking. What colour it's painted and whose logo on the side and does it match the cab.
But apart from that why do the trucks have to make the complete journey with the same driver and cab unit?
Shipping containers seem to manage.
It cant be beyond the wit of logistics (sic) to work out how to hand over loads to continental drivers for the European leg of a journey and the same for incoming loads to uk drivers?
Silly idea or too practical?
Have you been to a big container port mariner? It's impressive. Doing the same with trailers on any scale would be a huge undertaking. Possible, but ... just add time, money, hassle, space ... lots of. Same goes for all the fixes we'll come up with over the next few years. And then there are the fresh goods... that won't let you add to the journey times... and they are also the ones subject to the most checking, now we're outside the Single Market... it's a tough conundrum to crack... but the politicians don't care... it's all someone else's time, money, hassle, space and perished produce or catch.
It cant be beyond the wit of logistics (sic) to work out how to hand over loads to continental drivers for the European leg of a journey and the same for incoming loads to uk drivers?
Silly idea or too practical?
if only there were folk who did this as a job, you know, experts...
@mariner - there's "unaccompanied" freight crossing the channel, not sure what percentage. Truck turns up at port and drops off the trailer. This is then loaded onto the ferry by one of those funny looking tractor units. At the other end another funny looking tractor unit takes the trailer off the ferry and parks it up. Finally a UK/EU tractor unit arrives to take the trailer to its destination. There's obviously a limit at places like Dover as to how many such trailers can be left standing there and customs delays will reduce the overall throughput since the trailers have to be checked so the UK driver won't get the "come and pick it up" call until then.
Pretty sure all trailers have common hook up systems and common brake hoses.
if only there were folk who did this as a job, you know, experts…
Who needs experts 🙂
I think the experts may have actually mentioned this er disruption but Unicorn technology was supposed to make it all seamless.
What you need to do is some sort of agreement that makes it easy to just drive the lorries over like they used to back in the day.
NI Supermarket shelves empty (or as someone said 'not empty but full of opportunity'!!!)
In Belfast, Ulster Unionist leader Steve Aiken described the Government's response to the NI Protocol crisis as "woeful".
"The very real impact of the regulatory border in the Irish Sea is becoming clearer by the day," he said.
"It is impacting trade across the board and not just in the transport of foodstuffs. However, the UK Government's response so far has been woeful.
"They are living in cloud cuckoo land.
"We need to see action to deal with the issues facing businesses and consumers today."
On Sunday night the UK Government rejected the criticisms.
This is Brexit, it was fairly clear from 2017 that this is what would happen. Out of the SM and CU means paperwork. Deal or no deal really wouldn't change that much. It really doesn't reflect well on many British companies that we are where we are.
On Sunday night the UK Government rejected the criticisms
They never do. Never apologise. Never admit fault. Always blame someone else. The arrogance which accompanies their ineptitude is impenetrable. I don't know how long that approach is sustainable - for business or by govt.
Out of the SM and CU means paperwork. Deal or no deal really wouldn’t change that much. It really doesn’t reflect well on many British companies that we are where we are.
Yes, new paperwork has been on the cards for years. When did we know exactly what paperwork would be required when and for what? Christmas. Anyone blaming companies, or hauliers, or couriers for the current mess can do one. Details matter. Broad brush “get it done” approaches make great newspaper headlines, and even election campaign slogans, but in the real world, the specifics matter.
This is Brexit, it was fairly clear from 2017 that this is what would happen. Out of the SM and CU means paperwork. Deal or no deal really wouldn’t change that much. It really doesn’t reflect well on many British companies that we are where we are.
Are you suggesting it's the fault of companies that they weren't prepared for the fallout from a deal that wasn't completed until just before Christmas? Yes it was always likely there would be paperwork, but no one* knew exactly what that would be until the deal was concluded.
*and by "no one", I'm including HMRC, who had a few scenarios mapped out, but didn't know the outcome in advance either
It really doesn’t reflect well on many British companies that we are where we are.
Oh do go away. The guidance came out 6 hours before it applied. Yes, change was known. What level and detail of data had to go into what systems at what notice was not. And how the French would interpret it too. Herculean efforts from business are why anything at all is happening.
its not just paperwork - its also physical inspections. thats the main issue for scottish fishing
One issue for the white fish people is they're not all doing the paperwork properly TJ, so they're not getting to the vet / EHO until that is right. So under the sort of fish put in herring, rather than the scientific name (there are loads of different types of herring) and it will be rejected.
Hmm, yummy ,herring, the ones in the big oval cans, I like those. Please send us some.
I would, but we’ve run out… we normally bring 40 tins back from France each year. Not this year obvs. Not sure if we’ll be allowed to again as it happens. Not looked into rules for tinned food for holiday trips.