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They can’t hold out like that again and risk holding elections anytime soon, they’re terrified of being wiped out.
Looks like they are going to do exactly that.
I have no idea where that leads… to a SF first minister, unionists refusing to work under with them, direct rule at a time when the UK government is tearing up the agreements signed with the EU?
Chaos with Ed Miliband.
You’ll never understand the Brexit (supporters) mentality then… even if you do understand what the politicians get out of it…
Yep, nail on head.
In other news, folk like me have finally worked out what the answer is - all vote for a party who oppose this mess, the same party. Note what Labour got...
Was wondering if the by election needed a separate thread. Classic protest vote though, the swing in votes is not far of the drop in (presumably Tory) turnout.
Labour were never going to win down there, but fair play to voters for being braver and stop kicking the LibDems for their coalition mistakes
And for doing it in an area that I thought was a Tory safe seat. Fingers crossed that this is the start of something.
Finally something I persoanlly see as good news:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/21/eu-prepares-cut-amount-british-tv-film-shown-brexit
More Tatort, less Barnaby. Now that just have to ban the American trash and it'll be safe to turn on the TV any time.
Another of our successful creative industries to lose market share by us not being part of a huge market? Project Fear. Alternatively, either "why didn't anyone warn us" (they did) , or "the EU are just being spiteful because we left"... etc, etc.
Is there also a restriction on American TV in the EU?
Although I have to say - pro-EU as I am - this looks like an over-reach. A better approach would be to invest in the means to make good EU based telly rather than simply cutting non-EU based. Then viewers would vote with their remotes.
Why is it overreach? We are not part of their market, so why should our product be treated as “local” without some kind of a treaty or arrangement? The EU is not there for the benefit of rich non-members unless they offer reciprocation.
Anyway… lots of TV and film gets made in the UK using money from abroad. One of the reasons these shows are made here is they (used to) be European content as far as other European countries were concerned. Other countries would like a piece of that… and they have this big club that’ll help them get it. And it will. Call it protectionism if you will, but no one should be surprised. Why help the UK media industry when it’s currently so dominant? Brexit benefits are to be had…
Thing is, Molgrips, people watch trash that is bad for them and society in the same way as they eat trash that is bad for them and society.
When you look at the cultural references, morals, ethics, values and behaviour in American series they are the social equivalents of sugar, glucose-fructose syrup, palm oil... . It's a succession of people being dicks with each other, shooting each other, deceiving each other, pick-up trucks, steroid and plastic enhanced people; role models European society doesn't need. We can do better.
There's some crap EU TV too but it's not quite so bat-shit mental, in-your-face and implausible as the US stuff.
UK produced stuff falls somewhere inbetween. The costume drama stuff does quite well here, but it's stuffy and again divorced from local history and culture. Peaky blinders was much appreciated, it's not all crap.
There's a compromise between being open to the rest of the world and allowing the worst excesses of the rest of the world in through your media. we need to be selective or we'll be swamped and become an Americanised stinking cultural swamp.
It’s a succession of people being dicks with each other, shooting each other, deceiving each other…
Engrenages
🤣
I don't pay for Canal or any pay to view so I've never watched that, were there any pick-up trucks or 'roids? I just watch whatever's of interest at 20:15 on the German channels or 21:05 here, or nothing. If we're tired we watch German because it means an earlier night.
Ah, you're missing out... it's great.
Sounds a bit like Beaujolais Nouveaux, or Lacoste: they export well... .
Anyway… lots of TV and film gets made in the UK using money from abroad. One of the reasons these shows are made here is they (used to) be European content as far as other European countries were concerned.
I was thinking of the French castle in ‘Merlin’, we used to make stuff over there as well.
I drive a pickup..:(
Thing is, Molgrips, people watch trash that is bad for them and society in the same way as they eat trash that is bad for them and society.
So you're the culture police now? Are you Mary Whitehouse in disguise?
I'd put this in the 'lose/lose' category.
role models European society doesn’t need.
Uh-huh. Have a guess which European country is McDonalds biggest market? and has more restaurants per head than any other European country? I think your fellow country men love a bit of the 'ole US role models...
I think Ed is aware of that, and presumably it's why he supports controls on media imports, to either reduce or slow the speed of that adoption of USA "values". There is going to be a big old battle between the EU and the USA media players (especially those not dependent on broadcast networks) over the next decade or so. It's why Facebook hired someone who knows how the EU operates (Clegg) to operate internationally for them (plus some key hires aimed at lobbying individual states). We're at best on the outside of that battle now, but taking on damage due to a lack of trust and reciprocation... or at worst we'll be seen as being on the "other" side and are about to be frozen out more and more.
I just assumed they'd got annoyed at the terrible accents in allo allo
Peaky Blinders
was essentially
a succession of people being dicks with each other, shooting each other, deceiving each other,
pick-up
1930's running board
trucks,
steroid
cocaine
and
plastic enhanced
booze addled
people
; role models European society doesn’t need.
There is going to be a big old battle between the EU and the USA media players (especially those not dependent on broadcast networks) over the next decade or so
That horse has bolted already and is over the hill and in the next village. The US (for better or worse) has been the dominate cultural influence for the last 80 years or so. That isn't going to stop.
The US (for better or worse) has been the dominate cultural influence for the last 80 years or so. That isn’t going to stop.
That is absolutely true... it is not going to stop... but quoting myself... some will try to...
either reduce or slow the speed of that
No country is going to undo it, and nor can anything the EU does. They aren't going to just shrug and do nothing though.
That isn’t going to stop.
What you do is invest in your own output and make that something that people want to watch. There will always be some US output, of course, and there should be - we should be watching stuff from all over the world. And I think that people are starting to watch more foreign media than they used to but I don't have stats for that.
It's not either or. Both the EU and individual countries have many funding schemes for TV and film. But they also place limits/quotas on imports to create space for home grown content. Our productions are now imports. It's protectionism of a sort, and we didn't vote to end it... we voted to be outside it.
We are very clear that the current position of the Protocol is not sustainable, it is causing issues for businesses and consumers and citizens in Northern Ireland and we need to rectify that.
Makes you wonder what else his government has introduced is not sustainable, because of it causing issues for businesses and consumers and citizens in Northern Ireland.
The Protocol is good for NI Business. This FUD from the Conservatives and DUP is taking all the oxygen in the room. The majority of NI voted against Brexit and they still want to be in the EU
When you look at the cultural references, morals, ethics, values and behaviour in American series they are the social equivalents of sugar, glucose-fructose syrup, palm oil… . It’s a succession of people being dicks with each other, shooting each other, deceiving each other, pick-up trucks, steroid and plastic enhanced people; role models European society doesn’t need. We can do better.
*scratches head*
Best tell Luc Besson that.
The Protocol is good for NI Business.
Indeed. Brexit is disruptive (that is the real point of it), and the NIP is a group of measures aimed at reducing that disruption for NI without Britain having to stay aligned with Ireland and the rest of the EU in key areas. It is not the fault of the NIP that it can only reduce not eliminate the disruption of the Brexit that Lewis’ government has forced on an unwilling NI.
We are very clear that the current position of the Protocol is not sustainable, it is causing issues for businesses and consumers and citizens in Northern Ireland and we need to rectify that.
I'd be asking them for the actual evidence of these 'issues'.
If there's apparently no issue with our exports into the EU then what are the UK Govt doing wrong in respect of NI?
I think your fellow country men love a bit of the ‘ole US role models…
I don't think any of us want:
US levels of crime, especially gun crime. 666/100 100 in US jails, 103/100 000 in France.
An absence of fresh fruit and veg in many stores
An epedemic of obesity, Type 2 diabetes, heart disease... .
Unaffordable health care/insurance because at present I don't have health insurance yet get trated promptly and well.
US levels of pollution and emissions.
Bigger, heavier vehicles with flat fronts that seem to be designed for maximum damage to pedestrains and cyclists.
God squad morals between the gun shots.
Where I perhaps differ from many here is that when I watch American productions I notice the product placement, I notice the political agenda and I find it all dangerous propaganda that undermines our humanist, enlightened values.
In my opinion the UK Government are using the Protocol as leverage for the passporting of the City Of London Financial Services. The Conservatives don't give a toss about NI really.
The UK has no leverage, the EU won't give stuff away such as passporting, that would get a veto, sanctions are the obvious route. It's how the US and EU have been working together for years, the EU knows how to dish out and live with sanctions.
Don't forget that 27 countires have to agree on any changes, that means no change.
Yeah but they need us more than we need them..or something 😀
The Conservatives don’t give a toss about NI really
NI was always considered expendable. Even the most hardline, thick as mince DUP voter must realise by now that they've been sold dow the river big-time by Boris and chums
Where I perhaps differ from many here
Come on. You're pushing at an open door here with most of the US's issues you've cited.
The UK has no leverage, the EU won’t give stuff away such as passporting, that would get a veto, sanctions are the obvious route
this - the only leverage the UK has is to threaten peace on the island or ireland. what sanctions can the UK put on the EU? Nothing that will not harm the UK more than the EU
I love the idea from frost and co that the NI protocol has to be changed. It doesn't. Its a legally binding treaty that the EU and the UK negotiated. EU says no renegotiation - thats it. takes two to tango
this – the only leverage the UK has is to threaten peace on the island or ireland. what sanctions can the UK put on the EU? Nothing that will not harm the UK more than the EU
From day one it has been a tantrum where the ranting imbecile has held a gun to his own head whilst standing next to an adult and threatening them with an expensive dry cleaning bill. The adult has said numerous times "you really don't want to do that", but the tantrum is strong.
I see roaming charges are back on the menu
Sigh
If we’re tired we watch German because it means an earlier night.
This is a funny sentence.
So - HMS Defenders well publicized run in with the Russians...
It looks to be too good of a photo op / newspaper front page opportunity to be accidental in any way.
There's surely no way the Russians would have started an actual fight over this, it's posturing on both sides. We're not going to make an inroads against Russia.
All of which makes me think it's purely a ploy for some nationalistic front pages. Very 1984. War is Peace and all that. It's happening. Sigh.
I think yesterday's action, while handy for timings and headlines, is part of a wider international effort to remind Russia where legally defined international waters are.
It looks to be too good of a photo op / newspaper front page opportunity to be accidental in any way.
Strangely convenient that the Mail had a reporter on deck...
BBC did too by all accounts. Makes me wonder how short the Navy is on staff that they needed so many journalists to help out.
the warship incident is clearly deliberate by the UK navy. Setting a course in waters they know are disputed
So when is Russia turning over the two Salisbury novichok suspects again?
Hahaha haha.
Edit:
Might it be when the US hand over Anne Sacoolas?
If only we were in a collective of like-minded states which, whilst not being big enough to really stand up to the big boys, could at least modify their behaviour a bit.
the warship incident is clearly deliberate by the UK navy. Setting a course in waters they know are disputed
I think that's the point - freedom of navigation exercise.
No - the point clearly was to generate headlines in the tory press stating how tough Johnson awwas acting and how butch we are
at lest 2 journalists on board, happens on a very convenient day for the tories
its obvious its a deliberate provocation to get headlines favourable to tories.
I agree - we keep going for a) oh look an otter and b) check out my Union Jack waving credentials
Bloody foreigners coming over here using their data plans and free minutes on our networks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57595913
Exactly.
That deal that didn’t need properly scrutinising, or any mid-pandemic transition period extension to improve on…
https://twitter.com/marc_limon/status/1408102228041375747?s=21
Five years and we still don’t have an answer as to how we have our full fat Brexit and allow the people of NI to keep their carefully carved out dual allegiance and supply chains.
"Brexit deal never made sense, PM to tell EU."
EU27 to tell PM, we've been telling you this for five years you ****ing roaster.
And that from the Torygraph, christ, is this what we've come to? It'll be the Daily Mail turning next.
Downing Street has tried not to be drawn into a row over the restrictions. “Currently it is down to individual EU member states to decide on the rules governing their borders,” a No 10 spokesperson said on Thursday.
But.... but..... you spent years telling us..... ARGHHHHHHHHHHH
Where's that facepalm gif?
Frost admitted that campaigners for Vote Leave did not anticipate the impact Brexit would have on relations with the countries Boris Johnson consistently refers to as “our friends and neighbours”
And that from the Torygraph, christ, is this what we’ve come to? It’ll be the Daily Mail turning next.
I think it would be good for more of the press to be pulling Brexit apart. Time to hold up the mirror for some.
Yep, I just read Frost's comments with incredulity. I can believe that they didn't care or didn't think it would matter but to suggest that that didn't know it would happen just beggars belief. Either they are much more stupid than even I thought or they think that we are.
I think it's genuinely come as a surprise to Frost and all the others, that the EU are prepared to put aside national interests for their common good. It was certainly not the outcome they envisaged.
Relations within the EU can get quite sour. That is rather the point of the thing, the institutional structure and built-in inertia of it is what means that countries can exist and work in a mutually beneficial co-operative relationship even when they hate each other.
I recall way back in (probably) late 2016, listening to an episode of From Our Own Correspondent where the BBC's woman in Germany was reflecting on national characteristics and in particular the German tendency towards straight talking. She was observing the machinations in Westminster where politicians and top civil servants were debating what true meaning lay behind Angela Merkel's negotiating position, and where the real 'red lines' might be. To paraphrase: "Yes, you do know what she means. Just listen to what she says - she's German!"
5 years on, and our glorious leaders still haven't learned that basic lesson. 🙁
it is what means that
countriesgovernments can exist and work in a mutually beneficial co-operative relationship even whentheytheir politicians hate each other
That’s not a correction (you are bang on), it’s just using your sentiments to make a slightly different point. One which our government is only just working out. Shared institutions are very difficult to make work in the interests of all countries. None of the issues they grapple with go away once you are outside them though, the difficult work still needs doing, just without the shared structures, treaties and staff to help do so. What once seemed intractably difficult actually becomes even tougher. Any problem you could point to when we were EU members is still there, and we will still need to deal with other governments to smooth them out, but without the (slow, frustrating and by their very nature very compromised) shared tools being in the EU gave our government access to.
Frost admitted that campaigners for Vote Leave did not anticipate the impact Brexit would have on relations with the countries Boris Johnson consistently refers to as “our friends and neighbours”
If only somebody has raised the issue at the time. Unfortunately nobody did, and who could honestly have seen it coming?
Either they are much more stupid than even I thought or they think that we are.
For the answer to that question, I'll refer you to the wit and wisdom of the Brexit minister Dominic Raab
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1060544228097449985?s=20
As thick as a submarine door
Bloody foreigners coming over here using their data plans and free minutes on our networks.
I suspect most won't realise the upgrading bit until it happens..
Asked what success would look like in 10 years’ time, Frost said it was a world in which “we’ve settled into a more normal relationship with the EU … one where we have gone our own way in a number of areas and succeeded … nobody is questioning Brexit. It was self-evidently the right thing to do.”
He knows he is taking the piss, right?
It was self-evidently the right thing to do.
Brexit means Brexit.
Brexit was the right thing to do because Brexit.
I fully expect some bellend to trot out the line that "It was worth it to everyone what a nasty bunch the EU are".
Too many knuckle-dragging halfwits in this country, unfortunately.
Does anyone think the DUP will cotton on? Or are they pushing for a hard border on the island?
https://twitter.com/davidheniguk/status/1408852220683108352?s=21
Edit:
Linky no work.
matt_outandabout
Full MemberFrost admitted that campaigners for Vote Leave did not anticipate the impact Brexit would have on relations with the countries Boris Johnson consistently refers to as “our friends and neighbours”
"I had no idea of the impact that leaving my wife would have on relations with my wife"
I fully expect some bellend to trot out the line that “It was worth it to everyone what a nasty bunch the EU are”.
Just get on Twitter, loads of "was a remainer but now a leaver after seeing what the EU has done to us" accounts & tweets.
I reckon pretty much 99% of them are bots and the like.
“I had no idea of the impact that leaving my wife would have on relations with my wife”
That's not a bad analogy. You've left your wife for the freedom to strike up great new relationships, but didn't have any lined up and are now complaining that you can't get a shag on a Sunday morning whilst bigging up how great a J Arthur is. "Why are you punishing me?!"
Germans have a word for the UK's situation.
Schadenfreude
I reckon pretty much 99% of them are bots
Or fail the reverse Turing test, of being indistinguishable from a bot.
Brexit 2020+
Cougar
Full MemberThat’s not a bad analogy.
TBH it's barely even an analogy, it's a samethingology. He played a key part in breaking the relationship then says he's confused that the relationship he helped break is broken.
Bruce Dickinson of Irony Maiden?
https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1409443643371438083
Back in 2018, Dickinson told the French news magazine L'Obs that he was "quite relaxed about the idea" of the United Kingdom separating from the European Union, explaining that he thought Brexit would make Britain "more flexible" and that "Brexit actually opens our borders
….”
Bruce Dickinson didn't vote to be disadvantaged, just other people.
#schadenfreude