Don’t take drugs, kids.
Or start drinking too early
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Don’t take drugs, kids.
Or start drinking too early
I always until noon.
@molgrips - you clearly aren't a know it all - if you did you'd know their position
Wish I knew it all, I'd know so much more than I do now.
the more I rant and point out the truth,
do let us know when you plan on starting that
Dont really think its a case of "know it all" its all mostly in plain sight but often thats the best way of hiding.
This view is the standard "Dom" lets smash up the system... which has some merit if it were actually smashing up the system but its not.
The system is in plain sight, no one is smashing the system.... the system is smashing its resources (humans) and wants to rebuild them cheaper, faster and easily disposable, its a "Primark" business model.
I don't know it all even after nearly 60 years of living in this place, i dont know what i dont know.
I'm pretty sure when Exsee talks about know it alls he/she is referring to the middle classes or anyone who is lucky enough to have a secure salaried job or career. It's the whole precariat vs salariat debate. Or it's just plain old fashioned class war hatred of the bourgeoise, whatever he thinks that is.
Without wanting to support the schoolboy ranting, he has a point. We do live in a society where those who are comfortably off have forgotten those who aren't, and feel entitled to their position and delude themselves that it was due to their own hard work and aptitude. The mistake he makes though is to assume all these people are remainers.
The mistake he makes
I find your use of the singular very charitable.
Molgrips, an initial no deal is the only way the know-it-alls will get off their arses. Threaten their bubbles and they will wake from the Thatcher trance. The fight will then begin for a fairer progressive society.
A bozzer deal will be terrible long term, just enough to keep the know-it-alls in line, they will slope off into the ether, signing e petitions, posting for hundreds of hours on websites, frothing about equality while doing sweet fa about it.
There is no way of real change without getting the know-it-alls involved in society, I would love to tell you it's possible without pain, sacrifice and suffering but history would call me a liar. Why don't they act now when they know-it-all already? Why so apathetic?
Thatchers dream fed them just enough carrot, they think their better than the little people, they've sold their souls but believe that if they tick the right moral box come election time, they can just wash their hands of any responsibility to society.
I'm feeling really angry so forgive my ranting, these threads need some truth and the know-it-alls are busy pointing fingers at everyone but themselves. Shameful. Will pop back later if time allows👍
So Johnson has
Withdrawn IMB
Agreed to customs checks going to NI & having EU inspectors based in UK
Agreed on LPF 'ractchet clauses' (renamed to 'evolution mechanism' which gets round brexiteer MPs coz dont believe in evolution)
Agreed to allow foreign companies to own UK fishing boats
Just quotas to go & EU victory complete?
Farages head is going to explode!
So Johnson has
Withdrawn IMB
Agreed to customs checks going to NI & having EU inspectors based in UK
Agreed on LPF ‘ractchet clauses’ (renamed to ‘evolution mechanism’ which gets round brexiteer MPs coz dont believe in evolution)
Agreed to allow foreign companies to own UK fishing boats
Just quotas to go & EU victory complete?Farages head is going to explode!
at this rate we'll be in schengen with the euro by the end of the week.
We do live in a society where those who are comfortably off have forgotten those who aren’t
That's lovely. Does it answer why both Brexit, and the Tory rule built on the back of it, rely on the votes and vocal support of those not comfortably off? It's a conundrum... we mustn't get angry with people living hand to mouth who voted for Brexit and Johnson's New Conservatives (and the BNP and UKIP before)... but we must get angry with those who are more comfortably employed who voted against all this. All the while ignoring those making the big money off the back of removing rights from us all, while making us all poorer, and offshoring what they gain as they abdicate all responsibility towards their fellow Brits. Slow handclap.
I’ve never seen exsee and ckewkw in the same room. Makes you think.
Hitler seems shy of sharing a podium with them to. And that Cozy Enoch Powell.
Exsee, it’ll fail. The revolution will as it always does, devour itself. Don’t delude yourself to think this time will be different. It will cause pain for those at the bottom and middle. Those at the top might change but it’ll carry on. Victory gin for the proles.
Agreed to allow foreign companies to own UK fishing boats
Well... that one was a very jolly ruse... ask for something you don't want in the final weeks of the negotiation, just so you can concede on it.
We do live in a society where those who are comfortably off have forgotten those who aren’t, and feel entitled to their position and delude themselves that it was due to their own hard work and aptitude.
There's something in that, I think: people tend not to notice when they're swimming with the tide. I'm white, male, was brought up in a stable home, and my parents encouraged me to go to university. These factors surely helped me in my career.
Of course there is something in that. But people who have swum in that tide are more likely to vote for, and campaign for, and act towards, changing our system to try and readdress the imbalances at the heart of it. That's the conundrum... right wing change and governance depends on the support of the "have nots", not the "know-it-alls". It has been true throughout history... and it is true now in England. The political coming together of the Eton boys and those let down most by the system they perpetuate is an ongoing English disease that often rises to the top... and it has again.
Who mentioned "Flexibility"..?
From PMQs:
Sharon Hodgson (Lab) says Centrica gas engineers in her constituency were told to sign new contracts or risk losing their jobs. She asks Johnson to condemn “fire and rehire” tactics.
Johnson says workers should be treated with respect. He agrees with Hodgson in that respect, he says. But he says he also sees the advantages of having a flexible labour market. He wants to continue with that, he says.
Given free reign, most companies love flexibility.
Trouble is, it's a one way deal. Our staff demand the same it's totally undeliverable of course and will cost jobs.
I am white came from an unstable home and told to get a job at 16 and put some money on the table, in later life my parents could never understand why i was going to night school to get my HNC then HND or why i was going to Uni on day release to get my Engineering Degree when i had a good job.
Then when o swt my own business up they thought i was getting above my station.
There is so much educational opportunity in the UK.
And people who have swum in that tide are more likely to vote for, and campaign for, and act towards, changing our system to try and readdress that balance.
Are they? The evidence of the past 20 years shows that the middle classes resist any real attempt to change the system in favour of working people, even though it would also benefit them, becaue they don't see themselves as needing the protections and benefits which those at the bottom do. Its pure self-interest and entitlement, with a healthy dose of snobbery for good measure.
Are they?
Yes. People just like Ransos... who went through University, are for less likely to vote Tory, or to have voted for Brexit, and far more likely to support changing our system to deal with inequalities, than those who have not had the benefit. Of course, the idea is regularly put about that they do so to protect their position... but the "evidence" is clear... a university education means you are far more likely to support policy and change that would benefit those with less advantage... and far less likely to support policy and change that would further damage the lives of those with less advantage.
As this is the Brexit thread... how did people say they voted, split by level of education obtained...? Who will be hit hardest by the effects of Brexit, split by level of education obtained?
Are they? The evidence of the past 20 years shows that the middle classes resist any real attempt to change the system in favour of working people, even though it would also benefit them, becaue they don’t see themselves as needing the protections and benefits which those at the bottom do. Its pure self-interest and entitlement, with a healthy dose of snobbery for good measure.
Hmm, so I should've voted Tory for the last +30 years - who knew...
We are archetypal middle class, we tick every middle class box and then some, and so did both sets of parents. Probably why all of us have always supported Labour/SNP and voted Remain.
But people who have swum in that tide are more likely to vote for, and campaign for, and act towards, changing our system to try and readdress the imbalances at the heart of it.
The people who are swimming with the tide are far more likely to be the owners of the system, perpetuating its inequalities. Someone like me - working class parents and the first in my family to go to university - has had advantages at a personal level, but at a societal level? A single vote in a safe constituency, just like most other people.
The evidence of the past 20 years shows that the middle classes resist any real attempt to change the system in favour of working people, even though it would also benefit them
yet it was apparently the red wall labour voters that voted Tory and all us middle class remoaners who voted (reluctantly) for corbyn......
go figure!
Who mentioned “Flexibility”..?
From PMQs:
Sharon Hodgson (Lab) says Centrica gas engineers in her constituency were told to sign new contracts or risk losing their jobs. She asks Johnson to condemn “fire and rehire” tactics.
Johnson says workers should be treated with respect. He agrees with Hodgson in that respect, he says. But he says he also sees the advantages of having a flexible labour market. He wants to continue with that, he says.
It was me and 'flexibility' is the new buzzword.
Of course that flexibility is a one way street. In the same way that the cynical arseholes who say zero hours contracts can offer greater 'flexibility' to an individual employee. And so they can. If that employee is in a financially secure enough position to be able choose when to work. The other 99.999% of gig economy employees not so much.
Molgrips, an initial no deal is the only way the know-it-alls will get off their arses. Threaten their bubbles and they will wake from the Thatcher trance.
I'm not sure what this means. Who are the know-it-alls? Us, on this thread? We're not Thatcherites. Most people here are arguing for equality and opportunities for the less well off. I certainly am.
There's a significant section of society that's educated, middle class and left wing. They are strongly represented on STW.
Well, it looks like UK FaceBook users may have to get used to a reduced level of privacy and accountability in how their data is used: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55328376
I mean, FaceBook can already do a lot with your personal information, but at least you can currently call on the EU legislation to assist in keeping them in line. Probably not for much longer
agree about flexibility its why business liked FOM & the government didnt want to impose the controls they could have on migrant workers from EU
It wasnt about cheap labour, it was about flexible labour, that doesnt go home when the job finishes, they are ready for the next one straight away
Its why post brexit, immigration wont go down- will have to go up if we are to try & rebuild the economy!
There is no way of real change without getting the know-it-alls involved in society, I would love to tell you it’s possible without pain, sacrifice and suffering but history would call me a liar. Why don’t they act now when they know-it-all already? Why so apathetic?
Thatchers dream fed them just enough carrot, they think their better than the little people, they’ve sold their souls but believe that if they tick the right moral box come election time, they can just wash their hands of any responsibility to society.
This just comes across as a Lexiteer fantasy.
We don't need pain and sacrifice.
There is no need for manning the barricades or revolution.
All of this nonsense, this exercise in national self-harm, was completely avoidable. Enough people just had to "tick the right moral box" and it would never have happened.
People who genuinely believe that we'll somehow usher in a new more equal society off the back of Brexit disruption are the right wing's useful idiots. This entire project is a hard right wet dream. A No Deal would see an avalanche of deregulation and removal of rights. It benefits nothing except capitol interests.
The whole "radical change" idea is nonsense, its perfectly possible and absolutely preferable to run a progressive left of centre democracy without having to "Smash the system" every 30 years, just ask half the countries in Europe
The whole “radical change” idea is nonsense, its perfectly possible and absolutely preferable to run a progressive left of centre democracy without having to “Smash the system” every 30 years, just ask half the countries in Europe
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without having to “Smash the system”
Who's talking about smashing the system? This is where you fall into binners' fantasy world and assume that anyone who wants to take an objective approach to solving society's problems is a 6th form revolutionary. No one's talking about getting rid of capitalism, replacing democracy or forcing everyone to be peace loving hippies. All we're asking is that when an established approach has failed, we try something else. Neoliberalism by any measure has failed on the basic goals of delivering a sustainable economy, combating climate change, tackling poverty and providing equal opportunities to everyone to improve their own lives. Is it really then so radical to suggest that we try something else?
Who’s talking about smashing the system?
The poster calling for No Deal, because a deal limits the damage. Proposing new ways of doing things is the way forward. Calling for the most damaging form of Brexit, to get “big change”, without suggesting what the change they want to see is, or positing anything beyond “shaking up the know-it-alls”… …is unlikely to result in change for the better… or do you think otherwise?
The poster calling for No Deal
I wasn't aware anyone was taking any notice of him? In any case I've said before that anyone coming from that point of view isn't doing so out of hope that things will get better, more from a nihilstic and spiteful view of bringing everyone down to the same level. If you're at the bottom of the pile with no hope of moving up that's a fairly understandable position.
exsee
Free MemberI feel energised again
Oh dear
Have you got all this saved on a notepad file daz? I hope so because otherwise it must be very labor intensive writing it on every thread you post on.
it must be very labor intensive writing it on every thread you post on.
What can I say, it's like a reflex action whenever anyone comes out with the usual centrist nonsense about finding the answers by repeating the same mistakes ad infinitum.
looks like we really are taking back control....
looks like we really are taking back control….
Brexit backers Tate & Lyle set to gain £73m
That's David Davis job done then. The man who looked like he was deliberately failing to get a deal with the EU when "Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union", and who's previous role before becoming an MP was... "Senior executive at sugar giant Tate and Lyle".
Of course, if you doing crop rotation in a UK climate... beet is one of the few things you can could plant and harvest... British Sugar is going to be killed by this.
What can I say, it’s like a reflex action whenever anyone comes out with the usual centrist nonsense about finding the answers by repeating the same mistakes ad infinitum.
Did somone offer some ideas on how things may be changed? I must have missed it.
I wasn’t aware anyone was taking any notice of him?
Read the thread. They were being replied to in the post. Some of us are up for much needed change... but just wanting "big change", rather than saying what should change, and how that can improve people's lives... is just howling at the wind. And any "big change" that can only come about as a result of No Deal... the kind of thing that even a narrow deal with the EU prevents... well... that's the kind of change it's dangerous to wish for, don't you think?
Who’s talking about smashing the system?
I wasn’t aware anyone was taking any notice of him?
Ah....
The 'Being Obtuse' technique again...
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That’s David Davis job done then. The man who looked like he was deliberately failing to get a deal with the EU when “Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union”, and who’s previous role before becoming an MP was… “Senior executive at sugar giant Tate and Lyle”.
Of course, if you doing crop rotation in a UK climate… beet is one of the few things you cancould plant and harvest… British Sugar is going to be killed by this.
Surely not a 'jobs for the boys scam' using Brexit as the vehicle?
Well, I'll be darned.
Still, when the revolution comes we'll get it all back, eh?
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Yeah, Johnson folded
Cross everything… and hope he doesn’t row back on what he’s said to the EU after he meets with his ministers, MPs and backers…
