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the fog should start to lift soon
That’s not how it works. Their bus runs exclusively on blaming foreigners, immigrants and ‘the left™’ (formerly ‘Remainiacs’), also known as ‘The Elite’, or something or some-such.
The blame-game is easily disguised as British Exceptionalism Triumphing At All Costs Even If It Takes Another 100 Years
Where's your Dunkirk Spirit? The fog is where the action happens. All hands to the smoke machine, or else you know where you can go!
On a positive note no one else will want to leave the EU.
That’s not how it works.
Particularly not when 'fog generation' is a key political strategy of the perps.
On a positive note no one else will want to leave the EU.
Yeah, odd isn't it? Some of the more deranged Brexiteers seemed convinced their proto fascist project would spark uprisings of like-minded arsewipes and the EU would break up. Well, guess which bunch of gullible twunts jumped first and now the others seem to have gone mysteriously silent.
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I think the smartest team negotiating didn’t rush to ‘ratify’ their signing of the agreement,
This was not deliberate on their part, it was a result of the lateness of the agreement, and guess who was responsible for that?
That’s not how it works. Their bus runs exclusively on blaming foreigners, immigrants and ‘the left™’ (formerly ‘Remainiacs’), also known as ‘The Elite’, or something or some-such.
According to a Twitter exchange I had this morning with a Unionist Leaver, anyone with a mortgage and/or own their home is an Elite - "Mortgages are for you privileged Euro-elites".
^ ‘Elite’ can mean anything they want it to mean, and can be easily swapped for ‘foreigner/EU/immigrant/Islam-appeaser/ traitor. My Most Brexity Friend Forever (MBFF) has at least three houses and mortgages. I have none and am a ‘traitor’ for not backing their ‘shoot selves in the face’ clown show. I’m sure I’d be the ‘elite’ if I had a nice car.
^ ‘Elite’ can mean anything they want it to mean, and can be easily swapped for ‘foreigner/EU/immigrant/Islam-appeaser/ traitor. My Most Brexity Friend Forever (MBFF) has at least three houses and mortgages. I have none and am a ‘traitor’ for not backing their ‘shoot selves in the face’ clown show. I’m sure I’d be the ‘elite’ if I had a nice car.
Sounds like, first and foremost, he is a ****.
With plastic patriot in a close second.
No wonder he is keen on the likes of Farage, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc.
This was not deliberate on their part, it was a result of the lateness of the agreement, and guess who was responsible for that?
Indeed. But even so, why would anyone rush to ratify an agreement with an utterly untrustworthy counterpart?
Yet again the rest of the world has just added another post-it note to the file labelled 'Future Relations with UK' and the note reads (again) "Do Not Trust".
How anyone thinks this kind of game playing in order to avoid confronting the lies and contradictions at the heart of Brexit isn't damaging our standing across the world, is beyond me.
'Elite' = anyone who dissents on any point, and is thus totally adaptable to any nasty argument. It is just mob politics and that never ends well.
The elites don't exist, what people are blaming is the system, which is an emergent property of society nobody has control over. Probably the ants in an ant colony think they are in control. </end pompous philosophising>
what people are blaming is the system
'System', 'elites', 'traitors', 'enemies of the people', 'gloomsters', whatever.
It is all just a way of having a constant amorphous mass of 'otherdom' to direct the anger (caused by their petty insecurities) that lots of small-minded people have.
It is mob politics based on the (now apparent) entirely realistic assumption that enough people are petty enough, spiteful enough and gullible enough to go for it.
It is the politics of the eternally bitter and passive-aggressive. It is the devil on the shoulder saying "it is only your decency holding you back, go on, just be a bit racist, you'll feel better and you can always 'go back' to being a meek individual afterwards".
I've just heard a new word that can be used instead of Brexit.
'Britflounce'
Sigh
just got this from FedEx, unfortunately I have no idea how to fill out the customs form and the reagents Ive ordered are shipped on dry ice & will be no good if it thaws
last year it was a simple click & buy deal
Dear customer,
The FedEx Clearance Team is currently preparing the Customs clearance of your import. The goods may need to be held in our warehouse until the UK Customs clearance has been completed. A copy of the supplier's commercial invoice and other relevant documents to this import are attached for your convenience.
Where possible, please kindly reply to this email today with clearance instructions for this import to ensure that there are no unnecessary delays to your consignment. However, please note that we do require this within five working days at the latest. Should you not respond within this time, then we may be required to return the goods back to the sender and storage charges may apply. If sending an attachment, please use PDF format.
Your clearance instructions should include (but are not limited to) the following as applicable:
Ø Reason for Import or Customs Procedure Code (CPC) (seven digits):Ø VAT/EORI number:
Ø Deferment Account Number (FedEx’s or your own seven digit number):
Ø Commodity Code (ten digits, if unsure, please use the link below to help):https://www.tnt.com/express/en_gb/site/how-to/get-hs-code.html
For Inward/Outward Processing Relief and End Use only -
Ø IPR/OPR/EU Number (IP/nnnn/nnn/nn), (OP/nnnn/nnn/nn), (EU/nnnn/nnn/nn):Ø Guarantee Account Reference Number (or enter your deferment number if using Deferment Deposit):
Ø Supervising Customs Office for your IPR/OPR/EU authorisation:For Returned Goods Relief and OPR only -
Ø Original export Customs declaration (often termed NES entry or export SAD) number in the format nnn-LnnnnnL-dd/mm/yy:Ø Please attach a copy of the export Customs declaration, export commercial invoice, and export AWB. However, where FedEx originally exported the goods from the UK, just providing our consignment number for the export will be sufficient as we can obtain the documents and export Customs declaration number internally. If sending an attachment, please use PDF format.
If you have any other clearance information required for this import, or documentation such as VAT exemption or duty relief certificates, licences, or preference certificates other than already attached, please also add these to your response. If sending an attachment, please use PDF format.
We look forward to your response. Thank you for choosing FedEx Express.
Should that not have been done by the sender? Twenty minutes of form filling, plus £30 more courier charge, and 3 days longer to reach the client at the the other end... seems the norm once you've done 50 or so... but of course... The PM minister says there are no non-tariff barriers due to Brexit... and Lord Frost (unelected minister for stuffing up trade with Europe) says that our new non-tariff barriers don't matter, don't cause delays, and aren't costly... can they both be wrong while also contradicting each other? [ spoiler, yes they can ]
The PM minister says there are no non-tariff barriers due to Brexit… and Lord Frost (unelected minister for stuffing up trade with Europe) says that our new non-tariff barriers don’t matter, don’t cause delays, and aren’t costly… can they both be wrong while also contradicting each other? [ spoiler, yes they can ]
Well, let's face it, they used a non-issue to con people in order to get into power and enrich their mates.
Expecting them to know what the **** they are doing is optimistic to say the least.
All lies, all the time.
Been a while since I did this.
import code presume it’s a straight import, so should be lookable up. If you’re importing the goods and not planning to re export the rest of the message doesn’t seem to apply:
commodity code is the code which details the item https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/sections. If the supplier ships around the world they may already know the commodity code and could tell you it.
Ipr and opr are for if the goods have a relief from duty - IPR you import something, the duty is held in abeyance you carry out a process on it and then you export it again removing the duty liability. OPR - outward processing relief - you have exported goods for a function to be carried out on them so the duty liability is removed or reduced as they were UK goods to start off with. Any duty due depends on how much they have changed through processing.
Both these used to require you to be pre-authorised to carry out this duty deferment by HMRC and you would have a authority number indicating this.
End use is similar and again iirc needs to be pre-authorised.
RGR is when goods have been exported but are being returned such as warranty claim being sent back.
IANA customs agent!
Was chatting to a Polish guy on site today, his take on it was that Brexit was bloody stupid but it didn't really affect him as he'd been here long enough to have both a Polish & UK passport.
Census form filling to say you are European - if you want to be.
Sort of the new Jedi.
...it didn’t really affect him as he’d been here long enough to have both a Polish & UK passport.
Windrush anyone? Having a UK passport and living here most/all of your life won't save you if at some point the government gets the Home Office treating you as an undesirable foreigner to appeal to their base. If he can afford it, he should seriously consider getting full citizenship.
Latest trade figures say that the UK needed the EU 2-3 times as much as the EU needed the UK. Maybe just a blip that follows stock piling and teething troubles but I supect not. And that's before measures are fully implemented. Some of the numbers raise questions; just what was the UK exporting to Italy that the Italians now only need 30% of, and the Germans only half of?
Without directly discussing the other matter directly, I can't help but think Britain's "outward looking" ambitions and reputation as a place you might want to come to and put down roots has taken another knock today?..
Without directly discussing the other matter directly, I can’t help but think Britain’s “outward looking” ambitions and reputation as a place you might want to come to and put down roots has taken another knock today?..
That's just how the gammons want it.
On answer to Edukators question around what are the Italian and German Markets not buying from us is probably just market adjustment i.e. sourced from elsewhere, sell less of it and raise the price (supply and demand) internalised markets (the EU in a nutshell)
I doubt we provide much that is unique, most stuff is a commodity.
I think some brexity folks are a little taken back by all this "news"
Still post June the UK internalised market will grow quickly as stored cash/energy is expended and this will be held up as a great Victory supported by Rishi furlough/super recovery tax offset, R and D tax credits, beer sales and staycations. This is often referred to as "burning not earning" or more simply hammering your overdraft.
That’s just how the gammons want it.
^ exactly that ^
The easiest way to build what you want (out of society) is to begin by destroying everything around you then you have carte blanche to do whatever you wish.
I am now if the opinion that Rishi is as dumb as a post, there is no new deal and a rapid return to form for the Tories - NHS payrise, giving money to Tory constitutes, the North South divide starts around Leeds to keep the red wall folks onside.
Impressive really. One if the fastest historical "go **** yourselves" i have seen.
I think they really missed an opportunity, not that they want opportunity for the great unwashed.
the North South divide starts around Leeds to keep the red wall folks onside
Richmond will be looked after.
I am now if the opinion that Rishi is as dumb as a post
He needs to keep stuff in play long enough so he can go for PM. Then he can leave the fallout to the next PM. All of his kind decisions do seem orientated that way with the pain deferred for a while.
We get Rishi propaganda through the door (i live in Richmond North Yorkshire) the flyers make no reference to the Conservative party or use any Tory logos it all about Rishi.
We get Rishi propaganda through the door (i live in Richmond North Yorkshire) the flyers make no reference to the Conservative party or use any Tory logos it all about Rishi.
And all our Tory flyers just go on about independence, mostly saying that the only way to stop another referendum is to vote Tory. Never have, never will.
Ah well the shiny new Turing scheme (by schemers/scammers)
Seems to be going down well.
Officially announced today, the new scheme includes a fraction of the benefits provided to students under Erasmus+ as free tuition and travel expenses have been scrapped and the cost of living allowance has been slashed by a fifth.
Good to see ‘like for like’ replacement and no penny pinching 🙂
Good to see ‘like for like’ replacement and no penny pinching
Playing to the mob again - sticking it to those uppity intellectuals - why don't they get a real job? Etc.
Counterproductive and damaging, but it keeps the 'university of life, school of hard knocks' brigade happy.
Another excellent piece from Chris Grey one his brexit blog with a summary:
TL;DR
So two months in things aren’t looking at all good. The government is reduced to planting disingenuous stories in the press about the success of Brexit, its ministers and backbenchers don’t understand or don’t accept the Brexit deals they voted for, and it now again proposes to break international law by flouting part of what it agreed to. Relations with the EU are more fraught than ever. The Northern Ireland peace process is under strain. The Ultras are proposing a trade war with the EU, whilst trade with the EU is in chaos with SMEs especially suffering, billions of pounds of assets have fled the UK, the Brexiters’ iconic fishing industry is close to collapse, and many of the new restrictions on trade haven’t even been implemented yet. We’re not even at the end of the beginning, and, no, vaccines don’t give Brexiters a get out of jail free card.
His piece also contained this, rather chilling, nugget:
This week the ‘Loyalist Communities Council’ which represents Loyalist paramilitary organizations - the UVF, UDA and Red Hand Commando – wrote to Boris Johnson withdrawing their support for the Good Friday/ Belfast Agreement. The text of the letter makes it clear that the reason is the NIP
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Brexit: EU poised to take legal action against UK over Northern Ireland
Turns out that when it comes to international treaties you can't just make the rules up as you go along to suit yourself
Who knew?
It really is worrying how flippant the Brexiteers are about. the real possibility of a hard border in Ireland
The Loyalist umbrella group withdrawing its support for the GFA 'temporarily' was reported last week or the week before in the Guardian amongst others. Funny how it wasn't trumpeted in the more Volkischer Beobachter of our press eh?
Anyone who doesn't view this as a very serious and very bad development is nuts. How much control does the DUP actually have over the paramilitaries? It is only going to take a few 'rogue' elements to read the runes their way and do something 'explody/shooty'.
And yes, the evil old EU is considering legal action against a rogue state that is reneging on agreements signed less than three months ago. And that are, in the process, probably causing irreparable damage to an international agreement that ended a 30 year armed conflict that claimed thousands of lives and preserved an uneasy peace for 20+ years.
From the Chris Grey tweet, CE labelled products not valid from Jan 2022.
"However, from the beginning of 2022 only products with UKCA marking will be accepted in Great Britain."
More red tape and wasted cash - c'mon Leavers, tell me why this is good (for anyone)?
I expect the testing companies will do well out of it.
I’m surprised no ones mentioned the mysterious articles of companies doing well from Brexit advertorials that the Gov’s been placing 🙂
Not seem them... I do keep hearing the radio adverts telling me that new trade deals are opening up export opportunities not previously available...
I expect the testing companies will do well out of it.
Or some companies will think 'sod this it's not worth it' and we'll get less choice. Could be small-ish companies like ooh, Salsa, Nicolai, that don't bother, and you won't even be able to import them at all.
The time that the leavers and govt recognise that the 'deal' Boris signed put us on a direct course of breaking either the GFA, the new EU or both with no other options is the day that will never come. Sadly it looks like they really don't care at all. Have they forgotten that the Provisional IRA very nearly managed to completely blow up the whole of the cabinet in their Brighton hotel in October 1984? While the current lot may well be completely incompetent there's no way I'd wish them dead in that manner.
Anyone who doesn’t view this as a very serious and very bad development is nuts. How much control does the DUP actually have over the paramilitaries? It is only going to take a few ‘rogue’ elements to read the runes their way and do something ‘explody/shooty’.
I've been half-expecting to hear of some form of bomb/violence the last fortnight, it really is an issue ready to create headlines in the worst possible way.
We've just spend a few weeks on doing the changes to add the UKCA mark to our products, which sits next to the CE mark which means the same.
Utterly pointless.
https://eand.co/how-britain-became-the-dumbest-society-in-the-world-e90431463924
The title pretty much says it all.
Salsa, Nicolai, that don’t bother
They'll be using ISO, I suspect. What you say is true of many others though. As I keep saying, it's not just that things will be more expensive in post Brexit Britain, the choice and availability will be reduced. Not just for EU brands either, may RoW brands will have a European presence that they won't bother to split in two for our convenience, if it makes no financial sense to them.
a line worth quoting from that link
what happened to Britain? Nationalism did — it’s selfishness, arrogance, triumphalism.
https://www.ft.com/content/154f32d8-8185-4f78-aee5-d12d28a0e828
A story worth reading.
TLDR … not being in the single market makes it much harder for UK food producers to sell to the rest of Europe … what a shock … including Ireland … but wait … it’s going to get a whole lot worse, not better. Small businesses might as well give up on food exports now.
Still, there are those UK Gov radio adverts taking about exporting opportunities…
The new EU rules, which will apply to all so-called “third countries”, mean that “shelf-stable” products that contain meat and pasteurised milk and some egg products will require a vet-stamped export health certificate.
Other products, such as cheese and onion crisps, which contain cheese powder, will require pages of “attestation” documents from the shipper detailing the source of the cheese used to flavour the crisps, according to policy experts at the FDF.
Several UK food manufacturers, who asked not to be named, told the Financial Times the additional paperwork and cost from EHCs will make exports of composite products commercially non-viable.
the choice and availability will be reduced.
Isn't that half the point?
You'll accept chlorinated chicken if your choice is that or free range but no one can afford FR, plus the chlorinated stuff is making them £££.
EHC use extension explained without a paywall...
https://ahdb.org.uk/news/use-of-export-health-certificates-to-be-extended
Under these new requirements, all POAO within a composite product will require an EHC, where previously just the composite product needed an EHC. For example, a shipment of lasagne would require an EHC, and under the new regulation, so will the cheese, milk and beef content within it. This means several new EHCs will need to be issued, compounding the added cost of exporting.
Ultimately, these changes will add further friction to UK-EU trade, as they increase both the administration burden and add cost to UK businesses.
dudeofdoom
Full MemberAh well the shiny new Turing scheme (by schemers/scammers)
Seems to be going down well.
I've been saying from day one it was going to be rubbish. I'm still quite shocked by how overtly rubbish it is. I assumed that they'd dress it up and try and hide the fact that it's not what they promised, at least at first, or do the classic Tory "designed to fail" so that it could look good in the headlines then in 5 years time when nobody was doing it it could be slashed and they could just say "there's no demand". Also expected some brexit-bus bullshit about the cost (ignoring that much of the "cost" of erasmus went straight to UK universities and towns) They just haven't even bothered with any of that and we've gone from "of course Erasmus isn't at risk" to "Erasmus is too expensive but our version will be exactly as good and also cheaper" to "Have a jobby in a box."
And that's for the UK students- I've not seen yet the details of the inbound students, which if they're not properly supported amounts to a cut to UK university funding.
Though, the response from colleges seems to have been pretty positive to be fair, that's not my field but it's something that could be a problem with erasmus.
At PMQs today Johnson was claiming that Turing was still to be welcomed, because Erasmus attracted at lot of better off students... suggesting Turing would be aimed at the poorer students... despite the fact it's going to be bugger all use to them. I'd say he's still "over promising" (lying)... but it's the default state for him, it's not worth bothering pointing it out anymore. When they first announced Turing I said it would just be there to do the admin for richer students, and not offer the financial help needed to open up studying abroad as a possibility for less well off students. My low expectations seem to be firmly on track. Dropping Erasmus was dressed up for the Brexit fans up as taking away opportunities from those pesky foreign students, but like everything with Brexit, those students will simply shift their studies to other Erasmus countries, it is the less well off young of the UK who will really miss out. Again. Depressing.
The Erasmus/Turing thing appeals to the 'university of life, school of hard knocks' mob. 'Sticking it to the elite', apparently, when it is really doing the precise opposite.
A society that encourages an attitude of anti-expert and anti-intellect is heading in a dangerous direction. What next? Burning books by foreign authors?
^^ Walked past a (what looked like very recently) burnt up EU flag on my walk on Sunday. Something I've usually only seem happen on news vids portraying "extremist middle east countries".
Amusingly seen a few rear number plates with the EU part taped over.
Not one was on an English built car mind you. In your face irony.
As an online commentator said about the Meg/ Harry hate, the far right HATE supposed hypocrisy from the Left/ woke etc... Why? As you have no true belief in anything on the far right so hypocrisy is irrelevant.
She put it better than me.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1369697068240019463
and it keeps on getting better everyday. So will UK Government implement tit for tat measures. Obviously killing off a huge range of food imports.
So will UK Government implement tit for tat measures.
We can’t. We’re not even close to being able to enforce current checks. Control of our borders you see… it takes staff, IT systems, buildings, money… not just rhetoric.
Surely you can't mean all that talk of 'technology' was just a load of old bollocks to avoid admitting that there was no sensible way of actually enacting leaving the CU?
Well, blow me down...🙄
Newsnight doing the goundhog day Northern Ireland Brexit coverage again. It’s Sammy Wilson, so you know what to expect.
Surely you can’t mean all that talk of ‘technology’ was just a load of old bollocks to avoid admitting that there was no sensible way of actually enacting leaving the CU?
TBH you could sensibly have left the CU if you used the time in the transition period as actual transition period or extended it to a more sensible time frame that you have your systems in place and have told everyone what the plan is, preferably with more than 12 hours notice.
TBH you could sensibly have left the CU if you used the time in the transition period as actual transition period or extended it to a more sensible time frame that you have your systems in place and have told everyone what the plan is, preferably with more than 12 hours notice.
'Sensibly'....
I feel the use of that word is wildly optimistic in the playground politics of the frothing Brexiteer loonies.
Put simply, there was no way they could be seen to be actually doing stuff to mitigate the massive Brexit **** up whilst still perpetuating the myth that the rest of the world and the EU were going to sort it all out for us because of El Alamein or something. Why would you need to take measures to mitigate the bad effects of something that was sold as having no bad side effects whatsoever?
Bunch of lying crooks, idiots and chancers.
But leaving the CU and wanting to export to it 🙂
and it keeps on getting better everyday. So will UK Government implement tit for tat measures. Obviously killing off a huge range of food imports.
Ah, the long-awaited bonfire of red tape.
‘Sensibly’….
I feel the use of that word is wildly optimistic in the playground politics of the frothing Brexiteer loonies.
Who have achieved their dream of a hard Brexit and possibly may get the no-deal they may or may not have wanted depending on the direction of the wind.
It’s implementation not mitigation 🙂
We haven’t really got the unicorn track and trace program running that well yet probably need a few more Billn chucked at it.
us because of El Alamein or something
Isn’t that John Wayne movie 🙂
It’s implementation not mitigation
Indeed, but the longer they can keep convincing the useful idiots that support them that there will be no problems and we are just a few months away from a pure aryan Britain the longer they can delay admitting that it was all really just a one off, last chance heist of a country's social contract.
DannyH identified the real problem in as much if the Gov tty and fix the problems it admits brexit was a bad idea. Its much easier to go "la la la"
They problem they have is keeping the press onside which they seem to be doing and i do wonder if the NHS payrise is "dead cat"
They are not worried about the impact on their voters as they have some years to fix that problem.
The problem which looks like a 25% export reduction (defecit) is going to be difficult to hide over the next 12 months but a UK economy growing at 5% due to wetherspoons and primark spend will keep the illusion going.
We need to remember very few "ordinary" folks will actually witness or be impacted by these problems or be able to connect a price rise or a job lost to them. The Tories know they simply have to ride the storm and blame the EU.
Unless Starmer can connect the Govs negligence directly to individuals pain then nothing will change.
At the end of the day the Tories have a "get out of jail free card" in as much as they can turn around to a disgruntled electorate and say "you voted for this" "dont moan at us" "we will try and fix it" "its the will of the people" - this approach will be deployed this time next year.
Said it before but we are 10 maybe 20 years away from any material change in gov or approach (at best)
So much to agree with in recent posts... I don't know where to begin.
It could backfire on the Government though. Electorate could say 'you told us it'd be easy, everything would be great' when it's not.
It could backfire on the Government though. Electorate could say ‘you told us it’d be easy, everything would be great’ when it’s not.
Piece of piss.
Blame the foreigners, splutter and slobber something about 'Dunkirk Spirit', 'Standing Alone' and mention Churchill a couple of times and you're home and dry.
All of the above are, basically, why this shit is happening in the first place. Enough of the population were daft enough to swallow it whole. Now 'pride' takes effect and no way can enough of the misled people admit they got done like a kipper.
Indeed “the EU are punishing us” … that’s what we’ll get once we get through the “it’s teething problems” stage.
UK still in SM for EU exporters but not for UK exporters .
That negociating team of yours did a brilliant job .
So we’re talking back full control of our borders in 2022 now, rather than this year. Meanwhile, our businesses & people are being hit hard when they try to export. One way Brexit. Well done. Slow handclap. And to think the EU offered an extension on their side; we turned it down.
Blame the foreigners, splutter and slobber something about ‘Dunkirk Spirit’, ‘Standing Alone’ and mention Churchill a couple of times and you’re home and dry.
All of the above are, basically, why this shit is happening in the first place. Enough of the population were daft enough to swallow it whole. Now ‘pride’ takes effect and no way can enough of the misled people admit they got done like a kipper.
That will work less and less as reality bites.
It's easy to look down on Brexiters, but I don't think they are all knuckle dragging arseholes. A lot of people really had no idea what the point of the EU was and they were told there wouldn't be any downsides, so they went with that.
If you were told we were paying tons of money into a corrupt system that offered us no benefit and actually caused an administrative burden wouldn't you want to vote out of it? Of course there were people telling you otherwise, but how do you know who's right? Go with your gut, as we're often told to do?
Whilst the right wing bigots will never change their mind, I suspect a lot of people in the middle will. And there plenty of evidence that has already happened.
but how do you know who’s right? Go with your gut, as we’re often told to do?
****ing about with something you have little-to-no clue about?
Life has shown me this is very much done by
knuckle dragging arseholes
Not had a peek at this thread for a week or so. All I've got to say is:
I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK.
You know, the one I've spent my entire adult life living in, everything I know about being British comes from my time living in the place. I don't recognise this new country we are now living in as Britain at all.
That BBC link that kelvin put up has something strange going o in the comments section. Normally it's full of gammoney Leavers claiming it's all the EU's fault, they accept the short-term pain etc but that one is full of people seeing it for what it is: a giant cock-up.
I am genuinely amazed, maybe the public are finally seeing it for what it is.
* EDIT: the swear filter doesn't just **** things out, it offers up alternatives!! Cluster (swear word) changes to 'A bit of a mess'. At least it doesn't change the meaning of the sentence.
And there plenty of evidence that has already happened.
Given that the government is riding high in the polls you need to provide some evidence of people changing their minds, Molgrips. I see more evidence of two entrenched camps. Remain might win today but who knows, the polling is much the same as 2015-16:
I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK.
I think you’ll have a long wait. Unfortunately Brexit will embed the new normal for a generation. Us against the world. Migration for the rich. You’re like us, or against us.
The great unwashed dont give a * as long as beer and entertainment is maintained at current levels.
Been here before probably on this thread, the stuff we discuss on here simply doesn't exist to them, its not that they are ignoring it - they simply accept their world for what it is.
I am a fairly rough arsed Northerner, but i have to make sure in conversation with my extended family i dont use words or refer to things they dont understand.
The level of education both formal and informal is so low i dont know how to describe it - some of them are as close to a "Zombie" as you can get outside of the Movies.
I *ing despair, i am now at a point where i have given up - i have nephews that make the Young Offenders characters look well dressed and articulate and most of them have never met their Father. Some of them started looking for jobs to get Furloughed i shit you not. One asked me if i could give a job and put him on furlough.
I dont know if we really understand what we are dealing with? Or the magnitude of the challenges, - i dont think this is fixable, between the gammons and this lot god knows how.
It's occure to me that if I take Eurostar with a Brompton in one hand and a couple of Brompton bags in the other I'm likely to get taxed on the bike in London and taxed again on return to France. Any thoughts on this, Covid has put the plan on hold but I'm still hoping to do the trip in September.
Should be fine. It’ll be obviously not “new”, yes?