Ah. 🙁
We signed a “hugely improved” trade agreement with Japan recently yet when pressed (repeatedly by both journalists and MPs) the secretary of state was unable to say just what those improvements over the EU deal it replaces were.
Yes, but that was Liz Truss who couldn't distinguish her arse from her elbow even if both were conveniently tattooed with the appropriate label.
Even if it was great, she wouldn't know (and would have to have it pointed out to her) because she is an utter dunce. Thick as pig shit.
Of the many things that depresses me about Brexit, this is one I keep coming back to. Brexit is such an utterly cretinous act that it has distorted our politics to a point where you can only be in high office if you exhibit one of two characteristics:
1. Utter cynicism and are using it to advance your political career and/or bank balance in the process, whilst knowing what an epic fail it is.
2. Stupidity.
Truss is firmly in group 2.
Extract post by Princejohn
"He literally put that to the people of Cornwall in advance of the last general election and now he seems to have completely broken his promise," he said.
"Here in Cornwall, the people who voted for Brexit and voted for the Conservatives did so because they believed or were told it was about taking back control and a commitment by our government to continue to support Cornwall.
"They will be feeling used."
I don't know why this has come as a surprise.. Boris is as big a liar as they come and has spent his entire political career doing so.
I don’t know why this has come as a surprise.. Boris is as big a liar as they come and has spent his entire political career doing so.
They wanted to believe, which is why the most polite thing I can manage is a shrug and "well, you voted for it".
I do find it odd when anybody is surprised at Boris's lying and incompetence, if you'd ever heard his name the chances are it was in regard to some disaster of his own making or scandal of unsavoury terms.
the question is how that is achieved, and (importantly) how to do that in a group of people who, when presented with facts that are counter to their own viewpoint, reject them, and actively vote against their own interests?
Moreover, how to do that expediently, with the cliff edge in sight?
We can't. We can only accept what is happening right now, and look to the future armed with the lessons and knowledge brexit has given us so that we can resolve the longer term issues and avoid even worse outcomes. Brexit I'm afraid is just the start. What do you think is going to happen when automation kicks in and millions are thrown out of work, or when climate change starts to cause mass migrations and economic collapse? The political and economic systems we have aren't equipped to deal with these challenges, so we'd best start thinking about how to change them or what we're experiencing now with covid and brexit will be childs play.
In other news, that ample preparation that Boris was on about is going well. The Kent lorry park is due to be completed.
... by the end of February
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1338811560660234240?s=21
No word on the IT systems but given the government’s previous exemplary record in this area, I’m sure that will be fine
That's amazing, they've had 4 and a half years to build it now. How is it not finished?
I do find it odd when anybody is surprised at Boris’s lying and incompetence, if you’d ever heard his name the chances are it was in regard to some disaster of his own making or scandal of unsavoury terms.
Indeed. If you have no idea of the issue at hand, you should be applying a common sense test.
Who is pushing this? Farage, Johnson = if in doubt do the opposite of them.
Would I buy a used car off of him? If anyone answers yes to that in Boris Johnson's case they need sectioning.
I'd buy a used car off Boris. I'd offer him half what I thought it was worth after a thorough inspection and be prepared to walk away if he refused the offer.
That’s amazing, they’ve had 4 and a half years to build it now. How is it not finished?
How long has the HS2 debate been going on for? With all of the money mismanagement, delays that'll eat eat up your 350m brexit dividend easily..
This is why Johnson will cave & get a deal
He has been quite prepared to throw financial services under a bus not even pretending to try to get a deal covering that. airbus is small beer in comparison
Be kind. Lord knows, we all need that at the the moment.
Unfortunately, being kind over the last two or so decades led to this mess. All the people complaining on here about Brexit are to blame, me included, our negligence has at least in part led to this.
We can’t. We can only accept what is happening right now, and look to the future armed with the lessons and knowledge brexit has given us so that we can resolve the longer term issues and avoid even worse outcomes.
This. I'll do my part to make sure this doesn't happen again. Anyone else?
What do you think is going to happen when automation kicks in and millions are thrown out of work
Well people were talking about 'new ways of working', working from home for instance, but industries are now looking at Automation, and not just in the manufacturing sector, CV-19 has shown industries to be vulnerable due to the 'human resource', so are now looking to remove that vulnerability.
Millions of job losses from now on...its just the start.
This all really boils down to fatboy and his real motivations (none of which are laudable).
Is he primarily:
As Polly Toynbee keeps stating, a raging narcissist whose overriding goal is to be held in high regard by others? If so, he will cave eventually but will always kick the can up to the eleventh hour out of basic cowardice and laziness.
Or:
100% in the pocket of some shady backers who have some sort of ratcheting clause (No Deal = 100% payout, limited trade deal = 75% etc.)
Of course, he is both, but which Johnson is ascendant? The populist shit with the supposed common touch or the corrupt sleaze bag?
Is the same one always winning? Does it depend on how many vodkas he had had?
It was always going to end up like this. An impossible fantasy sold on the basis of lies was always going to end up with a lying fantasist 'delivering' it. Enter Alexander Boris De Pfeffel ****ing Johnson.
Bollocks to Brexit.
He has been quite prepared to throw financial services under a bus not even pretending to try to get a deal covering that. airbus is small beer in comparison
**** Business he said. People need to see that 'growth' in the economy is not what this is about, its about the ability to control and economy and its resources(the population being a resource).
The people who instigated brexit, their economy is different to ours, and if ours suffer permanent damage in terms of growth and prosperity to service their own, then its a price they would have us pay.
Also, if people think we can just repair the damage, like Biden talking about turning over to a new page, its four years to the next election. If you think 2020 was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Wowzers, good old troll fest last night, top work👍 interesting you don't mind the know-it-alls offensive opinions across these pages, very interesting indeed.
I'm finding the ranting really helpful, already feeling some inspiration for the next project🌈
@mattyfez, sorry I was trying to get out the door and didn't explain myself. I was talking about the UK needing some french spirit👍 as in people power on the streets. We need that spark of an initial no deal to put a boot up the know-it-alls ahole👢
Don't know if we could have had them when in the EU, but the British Port Authority chap was also quiet enthusiastic about Freeports. These aren't just for storage but also allow for manufacturing/processing at some physical distance from the port itself.
Apparently there are more applicants for Freeport status than the number likely to be approved, some somebody in the industry must think they're a good idea.
Of course, the cynics would say this just allows the tory grandees to set up low wage factories in the UK.
Of course, the
cynicsrealists would say this just allows the tory grandees to set up low wage factories in the UK.
Project Fear = Reality
A bozzer deal is sooo bad for the long term, it pretty much guarantees 20years plus of stricter border control, which isn't helpful for the next generation
If we could just wake the know-it-alls up without too much chaos there's a real chance of change.
Please do not feed the troll.
Here's a link to an interesting article written by Alastair Campbell on the book 'The Sovereign Individual" written 23 years ago by none other than Jacob Rees Mogg's father. Apologies if it's been done but it provides many answers to questions put above...and could well be where we're heading, well worth a look.
Campbell, The Sovereign Individual
So many keep trotting out the 'Boris and co are going to destroy the Uk'
They are in charge whether deal or no deal, for me they are much stronger with a deal under the belt. And that deal is going to tie us into more of the same for decades💩
No deal puts us at the mercy of big economies for decades.
What do you think is going to happen when automation kicks in and millions are thrown out of work
Well people were talking about ‘new ways of working’, working from home for instance, but industries are now looking at Automation, and not just in the manufacturing sector, CV-19 has shown industries to be vulnerable due to the ‘human resource’, so are now looking to remove that vulnerability.
Millions of job losses from now on…its just the start.
People have been moaning about this for about 150 years with every technological advancement. What happened to all the farm hands, street lamp lighters, bus conductors.
It isn't a No deal forever, the negotiations will go on and on and on.
But that initial no deal moment can be the spark for real change. There needs to be protests, we all know it, we are not happy with the system.
We need Labour out of the shadows and we need the know-it-alls to stop pretending they have no responsibility for the terrible state of the UK
A very British evolution is due
A bozzer deal is sooo bad for the long term,
and ..
They are in charge whether deal or no deal, for me they are much stronger with a deal under the belt.
So a deal is bad but also good? Hmm. Usual trolling nonsense.
Johnson in charge? Hmmph! He isn't even in charge of his own trouser zip.
Whitestone what ya struggling with?
Both quotes say the same thing, baaaad.
If you think 2020 was bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
Very much this.
Getting Brexit Done was a particularly ironic slogan as it denotes Brexit as an end to something. It isn't. It's the opposite. It's 'Year Zero' for the far right. The beginning of something. The opportunity to do a reset and change the direction society has been traveling in since the second world war.
Thatcherism barely qualifies as a dress rehearsal for what this lot have got planned.
Ask yourself why they're doing this? Ask yourself why they are expending so much time and energy to leaving the EU. What is it that provokes such fanatical zeal to be 'free' from Brussels? Why they will sacrifice absolutely everything at the altar of this project.
Firstly, forget Boris, he's just a useful idiot who's limitless narcissism has been used to achieve this. A gurning frontman fool. Look instead at the people who are really driving this.
Bear in mind that in this country we do not have a written constitution. The checks and balances on our executive are largely just conventions, they are not legally binding. Our constitution basically amounts to 'erm... what did we do last time?'. Cummings and co showed how much respect they had for these conventions when they prorogued parliament. They couldn't give a toss about conventions. In fact, they rejoice in smashing them.
The only legally binding things are the treaties to which we are signatories too, primary in that is the EU and its legislation governing member governments and what they can and can't do.
Once 'free' of the EU, the executive in the UK is completely unrestrained in what it can do. To all intents and purposes, it has a blank sheet of paper to effectively write its own constitution. That constitution may end up being wordy, but it can be summed up in one sentence:
I get to do what the ****ing hell I like and there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop me.
And if you look at the hardcore Brexiteers and believe that they have anything other than the very worst of intentions towards the vast majority of us, then you're an idiot
'Take Back Control' indeed
Be under no illusions, this is a coup
binners +1 to that.
An analogy:
The school bullies didn't like the fact that the teachers stopped them from bullying. So they persuaded the rest of the pupils to get rid of the teachers. Now they are just deciding who gets first go.
Oh, and excsee - you wrote two contradictory statements. Another point:
it pretty much guarantees 20years plus of stricter border control, which isn’t helpful for the next generation
The way to have avoided that would have been to remain in the EU.
I get to do what the ****ing hell I like and there’s absolutely nothing you can do to stop me.
Now look at what is going on with a big majority regardless of deal or no deal,
This isn't a choice between utopia and no deal. It's Boris and co for a loooong time or time for protest. Choose wisely
I think XC is actually pro-EU and anti-Brexit.
It’s the only way one can reconcile their statements.
Unless of course they are one of the know-it-alls - which kind of makes sense.
PS XC do you identify as male or female (can be neither if you prefer)? Helps me with pronoun usage.
Whitestone. They say the same thing. A bozzer deal is bad for long term
A bozzer deal makes the conservatives stronger.
Both the same to me, what you struggling with?
Point 2, The know-it-alls sat on their arses I'm afraid so the referendum ended badly
Once ‘free’ of the EU, the executive in the UK is completely unrestrained in what it can do. To all intents and purposes, it has a blank sheet of paper to effectively write its own constitution. That constitution may end up being wordy, but it can be summed up in one sentence:
I get to do what the ****ing hell I like and there’s absolutely nothing you can do to stop me.
The electorate can choose to change the government.
Don’t know if we could have had them when in the EU
We had Freeports when in the EU. We (Cameron?) got rid of them. Other EU countries still have Freeports.
time for protest
Who’ll have time for protests? We’ll be either retraining, or repurposing the companies we work for to cope with the constantly changing world that we’re moving into. Running away from stability won’t result in the government being overthrown… people will be too busy adapting and looking after their own interests. I hope Labour get elected next time around… but if you think No Deal is the best path to that, I wish I could agree… but I suspect Tory Tub Thumping about how great Brexit Britain can be, once we get the better of Johnny Foreigner, will keep them (but probably not Johnson) in power for decades. No Deal will mean a doubling down on British exceptionalism, and an awful lot of people will line up behind that. “We don’t need no stinking deals with them… G R E A T …”
This from those looking after logistics and behold the oncoming nightmare.
https://twitter.com/just_j0/status/1338625466744397831?s=21
Wildlife will be in high demand for cooking!
The electorate can choose to change the government.
In four years time, yes.
You can do an awful lot in that time, a lot of it completely irreversible, when you're given a clean sheet of paper, you're released from all realistic constraints, and you have complete chaos and economic meltdown as cover
You've read the template for Disaster Capitalism? You know how these people operate?
PrinceJohn
Full Member& a Cornish MP’s response…
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/mp-accuses-cornwall-council-constant-4795403
I mentioned it up the page a bit but I think it got a bit lost. The MP's response has a wee core of truth in it, in that it's true that the pilot money that is being talked about, is not the Prosperity Fund money that was promised to replace the EU funds (and in fact replaces a bit less than half of EU funding, depending on how you count it, but there's no way I can see of doing the maths that actually makes it a genuine 1-for-1 replacement. But that's by the by)
What he didn't mention, is that the smaller "pilot money" is all there is next year. There is no Prosperity fund for 2021, at all. And when it does start to actually arrive, it's not to start at the 1.5bn, instead it will "ramp up" to that sum. In the meantime, charities will collapse, projects will have to be cancelled or postponed, it's an absolute disaster for anyone and anything using those funds.
And the only thing they've done, really, is delay all of these announcements as long as possible, and then ram them out on other Bad News Days so they get missed.
Wildlife will be in high demand for cooking!
"What you havin' for Christmas dinner?"
"Unicorn."
Are they not somewhat constrained by the existing status quo in the country? Current laws, british standards etc? I would hope that progress on these and many others would be hard to reverse in the space of 4 years?
Am I wrong? is there any precedent for regression in this country? Zero hours contracts spring to mind but these are obviously ok under EU laws.
Areas called London
I mean that has to be a benefit, right?
Amen brother. But as someone said on a thread ages ago. It's fine that London gets the majority of UK investment, as that gives the highest return. Think it was molgrips but not quite sure.
( Sincere apologies if it wasn't)
I'm glad I'm thick and don't understand politics. Otherwise I think this would tip me over the edge.
They've already given up on enforcing the laws on dumping sewage into water courses. Technically still illegal, but who cares if no-one does anything about it?
I'm sure I'm not the only one old enough to remember turds floating past at the beach. Welcome to the 70s.
@thegeneralist We're having starling roast, stuffed with sparrow. Nettle soup to start
Hang in there @StColin… this is still one of the best countries in the world to happen to live in, and still will be. We’re making it tougher for ourselves unnecessarily, granted, but we will still have huge advantages people in most of the world would love to have.
