[Closed] bothering to indicate...

Didn't you tell me off earlier for changing lanes across a long dash?
Now you're telling me that an arrow saying "this lane to go straight on" actually means "leave this lane to go straight on (which is really a bit left)?

I'm just saying that's what the arrows are telling you to do, I don't think I've ever suggested that the arrows are telling you to do anything sensible - the whole point of this little interlude is that they're not (and so by extension none of the arrows on the roundabout can be trusted). Thank you for agreeing with me.

I do agree that it is odd that the left lane has a straight-on arrow there, but I don't think that's a good reason to start changing the definition of the other arrows.

That's not odd at all - not if you consider how and where the arrows are providing you with information. By the time you are past the exit those are alongside, those arrows are already out of view, so at that point the left turn is the exit they are alongside.

However if you like I'll go with your interpretation of those arrows - this is where it really gets good! So you're suggesting that the right arrows in lanes 2 and 3 are sending traffic right around the roundabout back to the exit we were first discussing? To the exit which you think you can only exit from a single lane? Which set of arrows are wrong?

I've yet to hear anyone explain how me approaching in the middle lane, (which is clearly marked for "straight on" by two sets of arrows on approach) would fit with the Highway Code saying:
When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
• signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
• keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.

OK I'll have a go if it helps. The trouble here - and with the whole discussion of Graham's roundabout - is that [b]you[/b] are using your own interpretation of the HC. There are two sorts of road markings here, the ones hidden by other cars when it's congested, and the ones still clearly visible on the edges of the lanes. You seem to be completely ignoring the latter.

When you are on the roundabout, the edge of lane markings quite clearly indicate that it is acceptable and correct to turn left there from both lanes. Hence there is no ignoring of the HC from those of us suggesting that is correct.

As an aside, when I was doing my streetmap tour last night I noted that the next junction on your route has the arrows marked on the road reinforced by signs at the side of the road which you can still see when it is congested. There are no such signs on the roundabout or the approach, hence when it is congested the only available information from road markings is from the lane markings.

As it gets us vaguely back on topic, I'll also have a go at DezB's roundabout ( 😉 ). I can see why nobody going from bottom to top there indicates - and I'd suggest that actually going from A2 to B2, not indicating may be the correct thing to do, given it could easily be interpreted as an intention to use B1. Meanwhile it seems correct to indicate right to go from A to D given that exit is well past 1 o'clock. Sorry - I'm not doing the usual STW being contrary here, that's my genuine interpretation of correct behaviour there.

I can see why from the presumed (but out of picture) orientation of the bottom road you're describing D as "straight on" but from the actual orientation of the exits on the roundabout it isn't.

Nah, everyone (locals!) coming out of C knows that a A2 car indicating left is going B2. Cos that's what people do. Thing is A2 to ANY exit is not inidicated, so it's a bloody guessing game. Except the poor beleaguered cylist, who has to indicate or get squished.
(Actually, my issue is also keeping momentum, so if A2 is indicating left I can go past - if they're not I have to stop behind cos I don't know where they're going)

But! Doesn't the [i]sign[/i] leading to the roundabout indicate (tell!) which is straight on, which is right? Here's another one -

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You're going from A, to Tesco.. which lane and what indication?

What a horrible roundabout.

A2 approach definitely. I'd probably indicate right, then left after the Gym exit.

Yes! Thank you Cougar - that's what I think. 3rd exit, right lane.
But -

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So nearly all go A1, no indication (natch) and you don't know where the sod they're going!

Thing is A2 to ANY exit is not inidicated, so it's a bloody guessing game. Except the poor beleaguered cylist, who has to indicate or get squished.

Well that's a problem, and the latter just standard fare unfortunately. #bloodycyclists

But! Doesn't the sign leading to the roundabout indicate (tell!) which is straight on, which is right?

Possibly - do we have to play the guessing game now?

I tend to agree with Cougar on indication on your latest one, though arguably not indicating is also correct - if there was a minor exit on the right which didn't fundamentally change the traffic flow then it would be incorrect to indicate right, but that wouldn't change anything for you. Of course if everybody indicated left when taking an exit this issue would largely be solved...

You're going from A, to Tesco.. which lane and what indication?

So nearly all go A1, no indication (natch) and you don't know where the sod they're going!

I knew it was a trap! That's exactly what I'd do based on the strength of that sign and no other information.

though arguably not indicating is also correct

It's why I said "probably" - it's difficult to be sure just from a still without actually being there, there may be other information that we're not seeing (and there was).

The sign is wrong anyway. Why have they made the housing exit like it's nothing?
Pisses me off. IDiot planners.

Sorry aracer. Sign for that miniroundabout coming up...

(I really do think too much about this stuff. Glad there's others like me!)

Oh, there isn't a sign at all! Not on Google Earth anyway (will look on way home)

But thought you'd enjoy this view of the approach to that roundabout with the amazing vanishing cycle-path 😕
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this is the first roundabout (not the one with Tesco) btw.

Why have they made the housing exit like it's nothing?

Does the sign predate the estate and they've never updated it, perhaps?

Just give us a Google maps link?

In a strange turn of events I had an incident with a motorcycle recently where he attempted an overtake on 4 cars all indicating right onto a minor road (still moving) including one which turned across in front of him followed by me who he hit. He wasn't in sight when I checked my mirrors but the two cars turning right behind me were hence I chose to concentrate on the blind brow ahead (i did spot him with final check but was too late to avoid)

Somehow there is still a debate about who is to blame despite dashcam footage and him accepting responsibility at the scene... So maybe there's no point in indicating after all?

The irony there is that if you were a motorcyclist you'd probably have seen him. There's an extra shoulder-check they teach you on the bike course that doesn't get mentioned on the car one, called (with good reason) the life-saver; I still do it now when I'm in the car.

Damn fool thing for the biker to do though.

I still do it now when I'm in the car.

Here's another for you roundabout fans:

Although it's a popular option, I'm somewhat of the opinion that to take the first exit via the "3rd" lane off to your right here makes you a Jeremy Hunt

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however, read on ....

Well that's certainly an interesting bit of road in terms of the arrow debate

I've had the argument that, because there are 3 lanes* off the 1st exit and beacuse exit 1 is "nearly straight ahead once you get to the roundabout", the RHS lane is fair game despite singage & road markings

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* the LHS of the 3 lanes is a quite rapidly approaching turn into a small shopping area and almost all of the traffic from lanes 1 and 2 is trying to move out into lanes 2 and 3 on exiting the roundabout.

I still think it's a ****'s trick to use the 3rd lane but agree it's unclear signage that causes tha main issue

(Hope st, out of Portsmouth onto the M275)

aracer - Member
Just give us a Google maps link?

[url= https://www.google.co.uk/maps/ @50.8777719,-1.0346129,19z]Here, my first one[/url]
There is a sign. Very hard to see on Google.

it's unclear signage that causes tha main issue

I'm assuming people using the 3rd lane to take the first exit are ignoring the significance of the "island" which wouldn't be there if you were intended to do that? As with Graham's roundabout ( 😀 that is now in my predictive text) the road layout and lane markings are the most important thing, with signage just helping out (where it isn't hindering by being a load of bollocks)

Is the right hand lane the inside lane on a roundabout?

[quote=DezB ]There is a sign. Very hard to see on Google.

Found the sign - there was a bus getting in the way https://goo.gl/maps/u8qzrWStUdB2

The sign is kind of bizarre, because it quite clearly doesn't match the actual geometry, not even based on the orientation of the roads at a distance from the roundabout, let alone as they meet the roundabout. Based on that sign I'd definitely indicate left, but on actually getting to the roundabout and seeing the real layout I'm not so sure.

Regarding arrows providing advice on which lane to be in on the entry to a roundabout, which lane should you be in here to turn right at the roundabout?

https://goo.gl/maps/PSf1DZTuj4r

(apologies for the shonky streetview - there isn't a current one for the appropriate side of the road and if you scroll around you'll find it reverting to the old road layout - it's only a few hundred metres away from my previous one).

I don't think the standard is falling to a particularity bad level.

There are countries with traffic issues that make us look like the best drivers in the world

The roads are littered with bell ends these days, most of whom think only their journey is important and they must make progress whatever the cost...