If Labour wants to win the next election they must start embracing and charming Tory voters.
More chance of Lib Dems doing that. The Tories I know would never, ever vote Labour no matter what a mess the Tory party is.
Would be the same as me voting Tory because I think the Labour party has lost it's way. I simply cannot comprehend voting Tory even in the extremist scenarios.
Part of the Civil Service code is to support the government of the day so I am not wildly optimistic about the report.
Er, no its not. Have a proper read.
Might be a good watch – what channel?
It was BBC... but in today's world that means it's available just about everywhere expect iPlayer...
🤷🏻
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bdpvh5
I will not visit the states for the foreseeable not because I might bump into Donald Trump, but because 3 out of 10 people you meet walking the streets have such poor taste/judgment/values that they saw him as leadership material after witnessing 4 years of his presidency.
It's not just that. It's the socio-political landscape that led to that happening. It's far more of a problem IMO.
It’s not just that. It’s the socio-political landscape that led to that happening. It’s far more of a problem IMO.
Very true. I was over simplifying. I envisage USA as a septic/toxic nation I just can't imagine wanting to voluntarily place myself in. Even so - stuck in a lift with a group of Trump voters...shudder.
the real problem are those people without the wherewithal to foresee what they will be like when given it who voted for them.
The problem is people like my parents who knew it would happen, didn't want it to happen, but "anyone but Labour"
I envisage USA as a septic/toxic nation
Only because of the way that SM amplifies certain voices. Most of the US population are (like most western Europeans) pretty liberal/left leaning in their world outlook. They want universal healthcare, they want help those more disadvantaged than themselves, they support women's rights, they're not racist, they don't want to live in world filled to the brim with personal weaponry.
Those voices are drowned out.
Billionaire Rishi Sunak isn’t the answer for the Tories but he might be for the rest of us.
The rest of us?
Mate, I've these magic beans, want to buy one?
Betfair offering 7/1 that Johnson resigns by end of the week.
Not going to happen.
Theres no way on earth he’s going to resign
He is ALWAYS sacked
I fear this time he's going to refuse to leave until they kick him out and that won't happen for a while. He's basically there until he's taking the whole lot down with him which will destroy the country at the worst possible time. I know he's not the one pulling the strings but without him as a figurehead while they elect a replacement there will be all sorts of unimaginable stuff happening in the background that will damage the country for a generation or more. I want him to go but I'm scared what will happen when he does!
They want universal healthcare, they want help those more disadvantaged than themselves, they support women’s rights, they’re not racist
I have to say I disagree with this. There are many such people but I don't even think they are in the majority.
I've been working for US companies for 25yrs and met an awful lot of people from there. It's a generalisation but California and the wider NY-Boston-Washington area are the more liberal areas with ideas more aligned to us Europeans. The rest varies from cowboy to redneck to racist to farmers. You really have to view it as 50 different countries with some similarities.
I have to say I disagree with this. There are many such people but I don’t even think they are in the majority.
I would echo this. Just go and read Obama's book. Not him just getting issues such as 'Obamacare' past congress and senate but the issues potential members of either congress or senate would have with the voters if they stated their favour for any of the above to the US electorate in many states.
But we digress - this thread is about Johnson and we are not exactly short of material to discuss on topic!!!
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On the other hand though, they have finally proven that they ARE capable of organising a piss-up! Maybe not in a brewery - perhaps that's the next step along the road to competence...
On some factual points:
It is an investigation by Cabinet Office - not an Inquiry (or an enquiry either)
A key aspect of the Civil Service Code is neutrality, they cannot be political. They support the government in power in that they do all the admin required to put government policy into practice.
The Sue Gray inquiry is leaking like a sieve
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1482014927577624583?t=xReJzq5Ertp45am3vjpeBg&s=19
Again, not an inquiry!
Kate Josephs has issued a statement only because she was approached by a journo who said - we have a story...
The Sue Gray inquiry is leaking like a sieve
Surely this is just a Cummings slow drip (I feel dirty typing that).
We could have a sweep by picking a date and see tomorrow's news when the next party was reported to have taken place.
Jebus, it's be quicker to list the dates when the incumbents of No. 10 WEREN'T on the piss!
Why / who holds the police responsible for investigating and prosecuting clear breaches of law?
This sums up how public breaches were handled, yet our politicians, civil servants, journalists and more on the No10 gravy train remain un-investigated...
Jebus, it’s be quicker to list the dates when the incumbents of No. 10 WEREN’T on the piss!
The NHS got applauded but it does feel like the hardest public sector workers through all this were the No. 10 caterers. They've put in an epic shift, running solidly for the last 2 years it seems.
This sums up how public breaches were handled, yet our politicians, civil servants, journalists and more on the No10 gravy train remain un-investigated…
While a fair point, plenty of parties and events weren't prosecuted round here either.
Downing Street also denied this for months
They explicitly said at the time you couldn't go to second homes
https://twitter.com/lara_spirit/status/1482001541284384768?t=HGI7JNZzie3ovnvOrBuXOQ&s=19
While a fair point, plenty of parties and events weren’t prosecuted round here either.
Possibly, however if I were to be caught breaking the law and it was all over the media, I'd expect to get my collar felt.
Or perhaps I could use the Moggy excuse that maybe the rules were a bit too strict, for whatever law I happen to be breaking.
No way he will resign. If Labour start appealing directly to voters instead of arguing with an idiot, they will win the next GE easily.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-downing-street-partygate-b1993433.html
Boris Johnson is drawing up a list of officials to offer resignations over partygate in a bid to salvage his premiership, The Independent has learned.
Dubbed “Operation Save Big Dog” by the prime minister himself, the blueprint includes a drive to work out which heads should roll
My work is boring
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1482080975358242825?t=dBECXmumyRidTWGsmzrDrg&s=19
I don't want him to resign. I don't want him to have the dignity of resignation. Imagine the speeches, the sycophancy from Dorries, Rees-Mogg, Raab, etc. No, I want him humiliated, ruined, and expelled from the House of ****. I'd like to say arrested but there is **** all chance of that with the Met in charge.
I just want him to stay in now
How low can the tory vote sink?
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1482085046186131456?t=b_xEK4inqjWdqVLMnDkfmg&s=19
the tories have pinned their flag to the mast of the titanic, they deserve everything they get.
Is there any legal means to have him executed for coming up with a plan in which he refers to himself as 'big dog' - a term I last heard used by Tim Westwood. The narcissism is off the scale.
BJ needs to stay. At the moment he's dragging the Tories down, if they replace him with Sunak or Hunt or anyone else then all of a sudden they'll be back to being the sensible party that's destined to govern.
https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1482105228795260936?t=1F3U6pNoZARNjkKh3SO7vA&s=19
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I just want him to stay in
Yep its making the Tories look terrible, the Met is looking pretty bad also.
ffs last chance saloon, groundhog day.
Apparently the expectation is that Sue Gray will let him off the hook
I'm not so sure that blindsided Sue will be so obliging
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1482105991789518848?t=53nJLFOsfZAxAYAypUWR1Q&s=19
Operation save big dog - johnsons words, apparently.
F me sideways; he truly is a deluded, egocentric, arrogant, misguided pile of excrescence.
A steaming turd of the highest order.
Any attempt to throw civil servants under the bus will rebound badly as no-one has any loyalty to him.
He is more toxic than anthrax.
Operation save big dog – johnsons words, apparently
Or a canary trap. Although by this point I'm not sure there'd be any point lol.
Need to keep Big knob dog in office...
He will **** up again and again.
