My missis showed me a clip of BoZo on one of the social medias this morning. He was being interviewed and there was little context before or after this lovely sentiment, but I'm not sure context would have made much difference.
... we don't need to worry about Cancer outcomes now, what's important is improving the economy
I may not have got the wording entirely accurate, but that was largely the thrust of his statement. Nice.
This thing about getting away from low pay low skill workforce is worrying. Does he want a society of middle managers which leads to that weird shoe shop world in hitch hikers. Where everyone is a chief pushing paper and attending conferences but no one pick the food crops or stacks the shelves.
… we don’t need to worry about Cancer outcomes now, what’s important is improving the economy
I may not have got the wording entirely accurate, but that was largely the thrust of his statement
I've seen this on social but not seen it reported on main news sources yet. If it's true, it needs rubbing in the face of every Tory voter in the country
This thing about getting away from low pay low skill workforce is worrying. Does he want a society of middle managers which leads to that weird shoe shop world in hitch hikers.
I think this will be Bozza's undoing. He is trying to appeal to everyone, and especially his new voters but I can see short reactionary wage inflation spiralling out of control and then the tories trying to suppress that with tax rises. This will alienate both traditional tory voters and new tory voters. Once Bozza realises he has lost the popularity of the electorate, he will resign and leave others to pick up the pieces.
I can't see how the Tory donors, who no doubt built their wealth on the back of cheap labour and screwing over the workers, are going to be happy with this new grand plan that's suddenly appeared.
The inflation genie is going to be well and truely out of the bottle.
This thing about getting away from low pay low skill workforce is worrying.
So you think low pay and low skill is a good thing?
The inflation genie is going to be well and truely out of the bottle.
This isn't the first time I've read something like this on here. So is the STW IT manager consensus that we shouldn't do something about low pay because it might make stuff a bit more expensive?
So is the STW IT manager consensus that we shouldn’t do something about low pay because it might make stuff a bit more expensive?
Are you new to capitalism?
What is this plan for a higher wage, higher skilled economy?
I hope people aren't confusing Boris's rhetoric with there actually being a real plan behind it that will result in action.
What about the people not equipped for a high skill job, regardless of how much training they get. Anyway I wouldn't worry, nothing much is likely to change, Boris has no plan it's just his latest sound bite. If anything under his lack of leadership I expect there to be more low paid and probably low skilled jobs.
The usual BS from Johnson
If he wanted higher wages & better conditions for workers he could legislate for it!
Flexibility of labour was the biggest benefit of FOM to businesses - its why we never bothered to use powers we did have to repatriate out of work eu workers.
Inflation is coming regardless, the supply crisis shows just how close to the bone costs have been cut over the years. Fuel bills are going to be the big worry for many.
yeah, I used "new grand plan" in the ironic sense! First excuse Bojo thought of.
What about the people not equipped for a high skill job, regardless of how much training they get.
Isnt that what Johnsons cabinet is for?
Flexibility of labour was the biggest benefit of FOM to businesses – its why we never bothered to use powers we did have to repatriate out of work eu workers.
Neither flavour of government did, to be fair. Though one didn't weaponise that failure.
Are you new to capitalism?
So capitalism can only work with low pay? That's not really a defence is it? It's bollocks anyway, you can have a capitalist system with decent pay and conditions. The problem with capitalism in its current form is that pay at the top is way too high, not pay at the bottom.
Fuel bills are going to be the big worry for many.
Just wait til they're forced to raise interest rates. The consumer credit and house price bubble is primed to explode. Combined with the collapse of supply chains, 2008 will look like childs play.
High inflation is the devil's work for poor people...
Low wages and high inflation are catastrophic for poor people...
An imbalanced labour/cost market (HGV Drivers And a few others getting a whopping pay rise) added to the above really doesn't want to be thought about.
This will end in tears, unless Rishi shovels more £20 notes onto the economic fire.
The Tories are fiscally *ed and hiding behind some mighty big smoke and mirrors. They can not win and they know it hence Bojo mud slinging/dead catting/blaming any * bar himself.
This seems to sum it up well:
https://twitter.com/tonyveitchuk/status/1444752391585271808?s=21
Low wages and high inflation are catastrophic for poor people…
Totally agree, but there seems to be a view on here that higher pay for the poorest causes inflation for everyone else. As usual people are looking in the wrong direction.
Sure as shit it ain't levelling up.
It really is building into an epic house of cards isn't it?
It's going to get really messy when it all tumbles down. I'm just hoping that it causes so much damage to the Tories, it kills them as a party for a decade or two. Possibly.
They'll always be around though, the Tories. The party appeals to peoples baser instincts... so it will always fester in UK politics like an ulcer waiting to grow again.
I honestly can't even predict where this country will be in a few years time.
No where good, that's for sure.
Was the UK really that bad that it needs all this breaking and remaking?
Will it be better afterwards?
Did they say that there would be a painful transition during the campaign?
No
What is this plan for a higher wage, higher skilled economy?
Its Boris, he has people like Patel at hand. The plan is probably to remove all *in work* benefits and let the market sort itself out and to hell with the suffering that inflicts.
*** well, its actually just a meaningless sound bite/dead cat but I think most already see that.
Let's not overcook inflation just because it's the economic debate of the day. Inflation is the result of a baulked economy.
Wages have been stagnating for years. Few seems to mention this. Wages need to increase to keep up for sure.
We already have an uptick in inflation - largely due to supply chain shocks.
So it follows that wages don't cause this type of inflation.
It's almost everyone was happy with super high house prices and low wages - a combination that has been allowed to thrive, and very much part of the problem.
Wages need to shift upwards for the low paid. There are problems that need fixing in our parasitic economy but suppressing wages is a nonesense for most low paid consumers.
It’s going to get really messy when it all tumbles down. I’m just hoping that it causes so much damage to the Tories, it kills them as a party for a decade or two. Possibly.
And faced with this most open of goals, Labour are squabbling about leadership and wondering which way to turn to navigate out of the political wilderness they've found themselves in.
I hope people aren’t confusing Boris’s rhetoric with there actually being a real plan behind it that will result in action.
Yep there is no plan.
If there was a plan stuff would be in place to support it in advance, this is purely on the hoof reaction.
A few flowery words a garden do not make 🙂
Labour are squabbling about leadership
It’s worse than that, labour are talking about ‘balancing the books’ which will be a disaster.
Aside from a bankrupt ideology - the right don't so solutions to complex problems- this is why we are truly screwed.
Rishi Sunak - the most senior economist appears to no nothing about macro-economics. He doesn't understand how the government spends money, and suggests care workers should get a job doing something else if they are struggling with cash.
Remember - they think the market is perfect, and will solve everything.
This is not a winter of discontent it's the winter of Tory intent.
Quite a good article, potential trouble ahead for the Torys...
Labour are squabbling about leadership
The Labour Party seems to be remarkably united behind Keir Starmer, despite appalling polling, both actual polls and opinion polls.
Every day or two there is a new opinion poll, the best Labour has managed since January is one solitary poll a couple of weeks ago which gave them a 2% lead over the Tories.
And yet the Parliamentary Labour Party is overwhelmingly behind Starmer.
Disgruntled party members within the constituency parties are either actively expelled from the party or hounded until they leave by their own accord.
Starmer is able to create this hostile environment towards those who strongly disagree with his leadership with apparent impunity.
Historically there has always been strong grassroot challenges to Labour leaders, in contrast to Tory fawning of their leaders.
I really don't understand why Starmer is getting such an easy ride as party leader when his ineptitude is so overwhelmingly obvious.
I guess that he just simply appeals to the middle-class pressure group which the Labour Party has become.
Quite a good article
This is something like the 3rd sentence Brexit has been delivered as best it could, given the weak hand Johnson inherited from Theresa May the inaccuracies in that alone are probably worth an article in itself. If it carries on in that vein, I'll skip the rest of it, thanks all the same.
Edit: the formatting errors are a feature, right?
Starmer is able to create this hostile environment towards those who strongly disagree with his leadership with apparent impunity.
Leader of a party makes life difficult inside his party for people who disagree with him...Seems uncontroversial.
Seems uncontroversial.
That was precisely my point. Apologies if it wasn't obvious.
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This thing about getting away from low pay low skill workforce is worrying.
So you think low pay and low skill is a good thing
Obviously not. But any society needs low skill jobs to function and by dint of skills needed they pay less than high skill jobs. Or are you suggesting that UK workers be only high skill high pay and we import workers for those jobs beneath us?
Or are you suggesting that UK workers be only high skill high pay and we import workers for those jobs beneath us?
Seemed to work up until 2016.....
Or are you suggesting that UK workers be only high skill high pay and we import workers for those jobs beneath us?
No I'm suggesting that *all* workers, irregardless of skill, background or origin be paid a decent wage with which they can support themselves. Some on here don't seem to want that though because they erroneously assume that it will result in more expensive consumer goods. It's a very blinkered, selfish, and ultimately self-defeating view of the world.
more expensive consumer goods
Do you mean staple foods that are bought by everyone? That form a much larger proportion of low and no pay households expenditure than everyone else's?
If there was a plan stuff would be in place to support it in advance, this is purely on the hoof reaction.
This.
Because...
Remember – they think the market is perfect, and will solve everything.
And it's worse than that, the government is, as they all do, interfering in "markets" (huge taxes on employing a key worker who happens not to be UK citizen for example, or even making it next to impossible to bring these people on board) and expecting private business and public institutions alike to go off and adjust to that whatever the consequences (whether that be moving operations abroad, or ever longer queues for medical treatment).
Wages have been stagnating for years.
Absolutely. All while we were in the EU, and had a Conservative PM.
Which of those is the thing we really needed to change?
Now, imagine we could look to countries in the EU, or EEA, that, during that same time, had free movement of people and yet had rising wages. And not just rising wages, but wages rising faster than the cost of living. I'm sure if we look we'll find a few that managed it.
The UK's problem is that we elect Conservative governments. Until we learn that lesson, we'll get nowhere. Leaving the EU is not a magic bullet that'll cure us of our own home grown politically created economic problems.
So, here we go...
...the UK's recovery from the 2008 crash was good for the "economy" but not the workers. Unlike elsewhere in Europe (where they also had FoM don't forget) we had a recovery that did not result in improved wages for workers.
If Johnson wants people to be paid more, it was entirely in his hands before we left the EU, and it still in his hands now. Who sets the rate of wage increases for public sector staff? Who has held that so low for years, and still keeps it low? Who sets the minimum wage levels, and employment law that allows employers to work around it? Let's see the PM actually do something about wage levels that isn't just about creating a series of crises and calling them someone else's problem to fix.
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Free MemberWages have been stagnating for years. Few seems to mention this. Wages need to increase to keep up for sure.
We already have an uptick in inflation – largely due to supply chain shocks.
So it follows that wages don’t cause this type of inflation.
Well, not quite. It could be that wage growth does also cause this type of inflation along with other things. Clearly the current increases aren't driven by wage growth but that doesn't mean it's impossible that wage growth would drive similar increases.
But I agree with the general argument. We're constantly hearing about how higher wages would push up inflation and then inflation goes up anyway. And the people who use it as an argument against wage growth as if inflation must be avoided at all costs are usually perfectly happy to do other inflationary things. It's an argument of convenience that just happens to suit the goals, just like austerity and the big "balancing the books" lie.
Well, not quite. It could be that wage growth does also cause this type of inflation along with other things. Clearly the current increases aren’t driven by wage growth but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible that wage growth would drive similar increases.
I'd be lying if I said I completely understood what inflation has got to offer up.
But, specifically on the lower wage side they do need to come up irrespective of current inflation figures. They're too out of step with HPI.
Providing the productivity or supply of goods can tighten up the it's a good thing.
That said we're in completely uncharted waters what with the Tories talking about high wages and Labour offering up nothing on this - I'm open to possible outcomes.
It's obscene that Labour haven't moved into a half decent position on typical Labour territory.
Is he saying "build back batter"?
That's makes no sense, which I guess is perfectly on point for him.
Just watched the bog brush on BBC breakfast news, what's with the weird fascination of blaming everything on China ?
.."current high prices of gas"..
(Johnson).. It's due to China sucking it all in.... (appaently he is blaming chinese factories for the price rises!)
"shortage of lorry drivers"..
(Johnson)... China has this problem too you know....
"rising living costs"....
(Johnson)... this is partially caused by China.... etc...
Lfmao.
The western economies bashing China when they rely on their exploitation of cheap labour/products to prop up our consumption.
Russia or China isn't it. Whenever it's their fault.
Definitely teflon Tories.
Johnson on LBC now.
Joe Pesci - Goodfellas "Stuttering mumbling prick."
