Nick mouth breather Ferrari there smiling like a chimp at Bodjer Johnson as he hands him several softball questions.
'Was that too deferential there sir, thank you oh thank you for gracing us with your unkempt self'
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Free MemberJust watched the bog brush on BBC breakfast news, what’s with the weird fascination of blaming everything on China ?
Reminicent of this...
Sky News had his wife beating dad* on this morning. I just heard haunted tupperware box Kay Burley say "for the latest from the Conservative party Conference, we have Stanley Johnson" - Seem we're going down the same route that the US did for the last 4 years, dispense with actual politicians and just get your family in to help run the place to shit
* Remember when Stanley broke his wifes nose?
I quite enjoyed Nick Robinsons interview with the fly-tipped Sofa on Radio 4
“Prime Minister… STOP TALKING! This is a question and answer session. You don’t just get to talk!”
“Well, I’ve not had the pleasure of speaking on your programme for over two years…
“Well that was your choice, not ours”
He’s not used to that from the BBC.
It’ll be back to softball with Laura only after that, and no doubt Mad Nad issuing more threats
Interesting exchange in his TimesRadio interview. This is actually a lot more revealing than it looks, I detect the hand of Carrie here, as he's absolutely right in that the uproar about culling pigs is silly when they were going to be slaughtered anyway.
"Q: You have managed to unite pig farmers with the Socialist Workers party. They are all outside the conference shouting at you?
Johnson says he did an interview on Sunday with a “guy” [Andrew Marr] who asked about pigs being slaughtered. He says he had to point out that that is what happened to them.
Q: But this is about them culled.
Johnson says anyone who has had a bacon sandwich has been eating a dead pig."
Would you say the same if they were incinerating courgettes? Or feeding vegan cheese into a wood chipping machine?
I fundamentally object to the death of any animal that hasn’t first explored the option of being made into a pie
Would you say the same if they were incinerating courgettes?
Actually the real issue here is that the pig industry bred 100,000 animals more than they needed. It's bad enough (from a vegan point of view) that farm animals are bred and killed for human convenience, it's quite another to do that for no reason at all. Anyway, brexit is again doing its job in screwing the meat industry. There are some silver linings.
Well, we're down to meat once a fortnight in this house, but I'd still like to buy UK broccoli etc, that's currently being left rotting in fields... farmers have not over estimated food demand, they can't operate. I don't want all my food being shipped in from far flung places, just to please people who don't want foreigners working in our rural areas upsetting all the retired folk with their unfamiliar accents. And I'd rather those still having their meat several times a week could buy UK produced meat, rather than relying on imports from countries where we don't control the type of animal husbandry practiced.
as he’s absolutely right in that the uproar about culling pigs is silly when they were going to be slaughtered anyway.
Not really since there are several differences.
From the farmers viewpoint there is the getting paid for it side of things which is generally quite important to businesses.
More generally whilst many people will excuse away animals being killed for food its harder to rationalise away them just being killed.
Any one know if he partakes in country "sports" since might explain why he manages the latter.
This is absolutely hilarious!
https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1445294194365505537
Er, ich nichten licht....
From the farmers viewpoint there is the getting paid for it side of things which is generally quite important to businesses.
Well they didn't have to breed that many pigs. Perhaps they should have done some thinking about what the demand would be in a world with fewer butchers to process them?
More generally whilst many people will excuse away animals being killed for food its harder to rationalise away them just being killed.
As I said, that false distinction is silly, and Boris did well to highlight that failed logic.
Actually the real issue here is that the pig industry bred 100,000 animals more than they needed.
That's not the case. They bred 'the normal amount' of pigs but labour shortages at abbatoirs mean they can't be slaughtered in the normal way. Which means this is probably going to translate to shortages in supermarkets in the coming weeks.
It’s bad enough (from a vegan point of view) that farm animals are bred and killed for human convenience, it’s quite another to do that for no reason at all
Agreed. But they were bred for food. To now have to just cull them due to butcher / CO2 / driver shortages is worse. According to the Times, the cull has started already, as another industry pleads for foreign workers to be let back in.
Killing animals for food - well, OK. But killing healthy animals just in service of an ideology - deplorable. What a vile excuse for a human being Johnson is.
Anyway, Johnson is winning this... he'll be able to go into the next election saying that "no matter what the consequences" he kept people out and helped make the country purer, and the Labour Party is in favour of "uncontrolled migration" (they aren't) and he'll win another term.
We/you need to motivate the third of people who don't vote to vote the Tories out. Ask your work colleagues, work on them! 😄
Perhaps they should have done some thinking about what the demand would be in a world with fewer butchers to process them?
Maybe but perhaps they made the mistake, like so many, of believing the government were slightly more competent than they were. Are you always a fan of victim blaming?
As I said, that false distinction is silly, and Boris did well to highlight that failed logic.
Simply because you have stated something doesnt make it true. Have you thought it might be yourself and Johnson with the failed logic?
I had the misfortune of hearing some of Johnson's dribblings this morning. Jesus wept. This ****wit actually has no idea how anything works. Economy, world trade etc. Not a clue. He can't even be bothered to listen to anyone in the real world (he can't have purged all the civil servants).
What a Conservative Unionist National Treasure.
that farm animals are bred and killed for human convenience, it’s quite another to do that for no reason at all
They died so that Pete could live…
I fundamentally object to the death of any animal that hasn’t first explored the option of being made into a pie
#binnersforPM
#votebinners
Ah... I can see the inspiration for the Johnson fish supper clip now... Pete Doherty!
Is there now going to be a pie shortage and should I start stock piling before the riots start?
Can't the pigs be left a bit longer?
Simply because you have stated something doesnt make it true.
I'm not deliriously happy at agreeing with Boris on something, but on this issue I do. There's very little difference between killing and animal for food or culling it because there's not enough butchers to get it on to the supermarket shelves. If meat producers lose out as a result, then that's no bad thing IMO. Ultimately it's the responsibility of farmers to judge how many animals they should breed. If they get it wrong then that's their problem.
She’s off…
The daughter of refugees castigating refugees.
No matter how many times she does it, it never becomes less annoying
She really is a truly vile human being
I think the pigs get too big for the pens and overcrowding causes welfare issues. Killing them solves the discomfort
#notapigfarmer
There’s very little difference between killing and animal for food or culling it because there’s not enough butchers to get it on to the supermarket shelves.
Because .... ?
Or is it sufficient for you to state something for it to become true?
Ultimately it’s the responsibility of farmers to judge how many animals they should breed.
Absolutely
If they get it wrong then that’s their problem.
But not when their supply chain logistics suddenly gets ambushed shirley?
Buy veggie pies... they are ace these days! Really. That's all we have now. Of course, it's not just meat farmers being screwed by our "we will protect you from having to rub shoulders with foreigners out in the country" government, so all pies could start to become scarce. Imagine! It doesn't bare thinking about...
EDIT: We might not even be able to fall back on a cheese and broccoli quiche. I've just spent a few minutes wondering how one would work with gravy and mash... might give it ago before the broccoli shortage gets more severe.
The daughter of refugees castigating refugees.
Perhaps thats the line she should take to get people onside with her policies. "Just think allow these refugees in and they might have a kid like me".
Or is it sufficient for you to state something for it to become true?
New here? 🙂
If the pigs are allowed to mature too far the supermarkets won't accept them because they start putting too much fat on.
There’s very little difference between killing and animal for food or culling it because there’s not enough butchers to get it on to the supermarket shelves.
That's a bit like saying there's very little difference between burning petrol to power a car, and just burning it in a way that produces no particular use.
And it's not really reasonable to expect Farmer Giles to produce an annual independent assessment of potential labour shortages and government ****-ups, ignoring any government assurances or promises. OK, Boris IS an incompetent liar and yes much of this stuff IS exactly what fearmongering remainers said would happen, but it's not fair to say 'this is your own fault for believing the government'.
If the pigs are allowed to mature too far the supermarkets won’t accept them because they start putting too much fat on.
Ta. Suprised the supermarkets are still letting me in if thats the case.
Lol! I almost choked on my Cous Cous...
Any one know if he partakes in country “sports” since might explain why he manages the latter.
I think you might have just solved the labour crisis. Who needs low paid rural jobs when toffs can go hunting pigs with hounds for free.
And it’s not really reasonable to expect Farmer Giles to produce an annual independent assessment of potential labour shortages and government ****-ups, ignoring any government assurances or promises.
Very much this. Some people have no idea how farming works. Including HM Government, obviously.
If meat producers lose out as a result, then that’s no bad thing IMO. Ultimately it’s the responsibility of farmers to judge how many animals they should breed. If they get it wrong then that’s their problem.
Pretty much this.
It's not the job of the state to depress wages to the point where a handful of famers can make a living.
Farmers need to offer pay and conditions that attract the workers they need. If the business won't support that then they need to quit farming and get a job as a butcher/HGV driver/Barista/Plumber/Electrician or whatever. (Or we need to subsidise farms, if we think the sector is important.)
The Torys won't complain if they lose the votes of farmers in exchange for the votes of blue collar workers.
I had an electrician in this week - his wife's just bought a kitten and they've called it Boris. I have a mate who's a farmer I'll be seeing at the weekend. He sub contracts all his work out to an (excellent) team of people originally from Romania. I don't think he'll be calling his daughter's Pony Boris!
Strange times.
It's not about depressing wages. It's about having the workers. You can wave all the money in the world at me, I can't start Monday as a vet, or a butcher, or an HGV driver... and nor can you. And I bet you aren't prepared to move to another area of the country for a few months to help harvest broccoli for £30 an hour either... or at any rate.
What do you call a bacon sandwich with no bacon in it?
"I think you might have just solved the labour crisis. Who needs low paid rural jobs when toffs can go hunting pigs with hounds for free."
Eagerly awaits the next Cold War Steve collage.
Besides according to the government (via the RN) Butchering is not a proper worthwhile job anyway.
This while thread could just be summed up by saying BJ is a ****.
Why have assassinations become less of a feature of political life. Think it might help focus some people's minds if it weren't.
Why have assassinations become less of a feature of political life.
My guess is because assassins have upped their rates the way tradesmen have.
Butchering is not a proper worthwhile job anyway.
It is now.
Meanwhile Raab announces plans to amend the Human Rights Act, using as supporting evidence for the change a case from 12 years ago. And it turns out the HRA was amended in 2014 to address that case. Still, I suppose it's better than just making up stories about cats
And Patel is making noise about asylum appeals, complaining that "no surprise that everyone appeals". The succesful appeals rate is about 50% so damn right everyone appeals. 50% succesful appeals proves the system you are supposed to be running is completely broken, fix that instead. Totally ironically she did it with a big banner saying "GETTING ON WITH THE JOB"
Pretty much this.
Oh god now I'm agreeing with OOB! Think I'll retreat to the safe haven of the Starmer thread. 😄
I had an electrician in this week – his wife’s just bought a kitten and they’ve called it Boris.
There was a truck driver on the news last night who said 'thank you Boris, and thank you to everyone who voted for brexit'. Until labour and remainers get their head around this they're going to be pissing in the wind.
