[Closed] Benifit fraud... would you report someone??

I saw someone in Plymouth who had the whole front of his house painted in huge white letters.

Grass.

Made me laugh a lot and hope that his peers and neighbours treated him suitably.

I doubt whether it cost £300 million to clear this up :

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Maybe the OP can vandalise a screw on the benefit cheat's front garden gate ?

right then.. I have a friend (who was originally just a neigbour when we first met) who claims some disability benefits.. including the car concession etc..

he has a bad back.. many of the bottom vertebrae in his lower back have been surgically fused to prevent something or another.. I don't remember the details..

some weeks however.. he is perfectly capable of a few menial tasks.. certainly a careful game of pool or two per week wouldn't often present too many problems.. he can climb a ladder if neccessary.. and on a good day when there's not too many alternatives I'm sure he could help manouvere a caravan or work on a car..

other weeks I have watched this very tough and world weary man in tears of woe as he can't move to help his young son tie a shoelace.. or walk to the corner to post a letter.. what job would you suggest for him..?
such is life and he accepts his lot with good grace.. yes he has a modern TV.. and why shouldn't he..!?
He also makes sacrifices to his standard of living that some of you couldn't imagine.. just to be able to afford to pay the ever constant demands made by his kids school for outings or uniform or extra curricular activities..
living on benefits is [i]NOT[/i] the free ride that the more fortunate imagine it to be..

all that aside.. he has been a hard working man all his life up until he started experiencing problems.. and has paid his dues in national insurance etc along with fat helpings of community spirit.. something which the OP is clearly lacking with their bitter and dissatisfied curtain twitching assumptions..
I've previously always vowed to make life harder where possible for these blinkered vigilante types.. but now for my friends sake I suggest that you do grass him up.. if he's legit he won't need to worry..
It just seems a shame that you might be willing to put this guy and his family through an awful lot of unneccessary stress to satisfy your curiosity..

maybe you should try and befriend him first.. see if you can help out in any way..?

I like Elfinsafety's answer.

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5thElefant - Member

Are you a professional criminal or just a keen amateur?

Neither, and i am a little unsure how you have managed to reach this conclusion. I think most crims are scum, still wouldn't grass them up though I live my life, I worry about my problems, if my stuff gets nicked it's up to me to sort it out 🙂

j_me - Member

I hope your peers and neighbours are as cooperative when your bikes are nicked or your house burgled.

It's none of my peers or neighbours problem, its my problem, and this is why I have insurance, some people are scum and take what's not theirs when this happens my insurance pays out.

I am very happy to live my life how I do karma in the end catches up with everyone.

eta. this has digressed somewhat from the alleged benefit fraud of which I still wouldn't grass him up 🙂

I think most crims are scum, still wouldn't grass them up though I live my life, I worry about my problems, if my stuff gets nicked it's up to me to sort it out

It's none of my peers or neighbours problem, its my problem, and this is why I have insurance, some people are scum and take what's not theirs when this happens my insurance pays out.

I am very happy to live my life how I do karma in the end catches up with everyone.

Hmmm.... 😐

Trouble is, where does it stop? At what point do you draw the line?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12175431

You don't sound like you're in control. You just sound scared. That's just my opinion though - no offence is meant.

Can I have a bacon sarnie too please Mrs Bullheart? 🙂

Too late, my diminutive-in-stature-but-colossal-in-heart friend.

She's gone out and left me with two farting dogs and a gazillion litres of Dulux...

What colour are you painting the dogs ?

right thought id beter come back and explain myself.

this neighbour 2 doors down was quite helpful when we first moved in and we actually became friends, not close friends but friends all the same.

he has openly told me he hasnt worked for ages.

he used to live on one of the rougher estates in the town but got moved as people were compaining about him and his family partying all the time etc.

now he thinks he is the boss of the neighbourhood, bossing people around, telling them not to park in certain places so his daughter can park there, telling other poeple to stop being noisy etc.

he sits on his sofa all day playing either his x box or ps3 on his 50 inch plasma tv that hardworking poeple ave paid tax for .

ive lived in this house 3 years and in that time i have seen him relay all the block paving at the front of his house, build a conservatory on the back of his house and various other things which suggest to me there isnt much wrong with him.

he told me that the council have siad you cant make any alterations to the house in any way.

he has been diagnosed with cancer about 20 years ago but has since been given the all clear.

his wife does not work either , nothing wrong with her, just cant be arse (her words)

he gets a brand new car every 3 years, council house etc.

he sub lets his garage to one of his brothers so they can un an inflatable business out of it, council still think he parks his car in there.

I can see where people are coming from where they tell me to mind my own business and to be fair i wont report him.

its just frustrating how people can blatantly twist the system to there advantage , where the like of another neighbour can barley walk due to a tumour on her back yet still works hard cant get any benifits!!

regards

steve

You're lucky to have a wife. 🙁

I always have to borrow someone else's....

busted

I'm scared so scared I just did a poo.

I find it funny that you can deduce how I feel from a few words, you should be a shrink 😉

We clearly have different morals I suppose thats what makes the human race so interesting.

I would still never grass about anything, live and let live etc

no offence taken whatsoever 🙂

can I get a bacon sarnie?

I would still never grass about anything, live and let live etc

I find that a cowardly approach. As BullHeart says, where do you draw the line? You have to draw it somewhere and have the balls to step up to it.

You have to draw it somewhere

I guess this is true.. and it's also true that the furthur away that you draw it.. the bigger the balls needed to step up to it when required..

pik and mix - what about if someone beat up your mum and you knew who it was - but they were big and scary? Tell the police or not?

j_me - Member
What colour are you painting the dogs ?

If I had my way, stealth bomber black. But the wife is into pastels at the moment.

Pik n Mix - Member

I'm scared so scared I just did a poo.

can I get a bacon sarnie?

I'll send over a sarnie and some Charmin!

For the record, there is a fundamental difference between being scared and being a coward. I've suggested that your lack of desire might be linked to fear, [u]not[/u] that you are a coward.

......this neighbour 2 doors down was quite helpful when we first moved in and we actually became friends........now he thinks he is the boss of the neighbourhood, bossing people around, telling them not to park in certain places so his daughter can park there, telling other poeple to stop being noisy etc.

Oh I see, he's a mate you've fallen out with - that's why you know so much personal stuff about him, you should've said that in the first place.

Yeah grass him up, you know you should - now that you're not mates anymore like. But you already knew that didn't you ? ...... you never sounded as if you had an open mind on the issue - despite asking everyone what you should do.

Good luck at being a back-stabbing former mate.

Come on, come on...

Ernie you must of missed this part of my post ..........

"I can see where people are coming from where they tell me to mind my own business and to be fair i wont report him.

its just frustrating how people can blatantly twist the system to there advantage , where the like of another neighbour can barley walk due to a tumour on her back yet still works hard cant get any benifits!!"

[mockney accent] WUNUNDRED!!!!! [/mockney accent]

renton.. how would you feel if your mate/neigbour bought you an x-box and a ps3 and a plasma tv for your birthday..?

not so jealous..?

Bastid! You've claimed that wunundredth post fraudulently! You're not entitled to it!!! I've worked bloody hard for that, you scrounging git!!! 😡

I'm reporting you....

I don't see why you have to do the State's work for them. It just encourages the curtain twitching and back stabbing.
The State won't thank you and more than likely will take the opportunity to investigate you for some petty infraction.

yunki .

i am not jealous at all, i can put my hand on my heart and say that everything i own i have worked hard for and it is mine.

i am not jealous at all

So why you banging on about his Ecks-Bocks and 50" telly then?

Is it because he's got a bigger one than you have?

renton - maybe if you kept the noise down, him two doors down wouldn't need to tell you to "stop being noisy", and you could be mates again 💡

Hey why have all you lefties all suddenly supporting [potentialy]fleecing the state /potentially breaking the law [ reporting him will make no difference if it is legit] yet you get all cross about rich folk not breaking the law and avoiding tax. What is the difference in terms of morality as I see both behaviours as ignoring your social responsibilty to your fellow citiens via tax /legitimate claims. To compound this some o you think that anyone who may report someone for this potential crime deserves derision and to be labelled a grass yet the potental defrauder deserves our ignorance.
Odd moral code you seem to applying here tbh.

eat the rich.. not each other

Nah I think the fraud/potentially depriving others of what they need and deserve being bad is a given; what appears to be more at issue here is people's resentment of others due to some perceived 'advantage' someone else appears to have. And not having the balls to stand up and say what you think to someone's face, and using clandestine methods to satisfy some urge to better someone else.

Cos that's what this is really about.

Odd moral code you seem to applying here tbh.

I agree. When I shopped my mother for not having a TV license, I had to explain to my brother and sisters, "you can't have one set of moral standards for friends and family, and then another set of moral standards for everyone else". They didn't seem to get it.

You are getting dangerously close to saying it is the politics of envy there 😉

I'm interested for more personal reasons..

My family and I have a completely legitimate entitlement to certain health related benefits.. and yet although we have reams of irrefutable evidence.. medical records and professional advocates.. it is still incredibly difficult to access these entitlements..

I find it very hard to believe that anyone can be building a comfortable lifestyle by claiming disability benefits fraudulently.. if they are I can't imagine that their lifestyle will continue to appear so desirable in the current political climate..

you get all cross about rich folk not breaking the law and avoiding tax

Point well made Sir ! That's the last time I'm shopping in duty free.

I don't see it as any different to suspecting people of importing bike bits from the US and getting the value marked down to avoid tax/duty or walking straight through the green channel with it

BTW - I'm currently awaiting a parcel from the States, feel free to denounce me to the authorities as you now have grounds to suspect I'm defrauding every tax payer in the UK

if you need my name and address, drop me an email

j_me - Member

I find that a cowardly approach. As BullHeart says, where do you draw the line? You have to draw it somewhere and have the balls to step up to it

Just make sure you make it anonymous seems to be the general idea.
What was that about having balls again? 😛

I agree. When I shopped my mother for not having a TV license, I had to explain to my brother and sisters, "you can't have one set of moral standards for friends and family, and then another set of moral standards for everyone else". They didn't seem to get.

Classic! Funny thing is I'm not sure if you're serious or not!!? 😯

Its our taxes we have every right to ask the state to check that our money is being spent in the most efficient way and goes to those who need it most. If you have a ps3 and sat TV and 50" screen and your not working you have way more than me and I have worked all my life and paid all my taxes. Clearly those are essentials I will have to choose drugs, get obese or claim I have a bad back!

50" Telly? Pah! How about a 70" one??!!?!

Who loves ya, baby?!

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yunki - Member
I'm interested for more personal reasons..

My family and I have a completely legitimate entitlement to certain health related benefits.. and yet although we have reams of irrefutable evidence.. medical records and professional advocates.. it is still incredibly difficult to access these entitlements..

I find it very hard to believe that anyone can be building a comfortable lifestyle by claiming disability benefits fraudulently.. if they are I can't imagine that their lifestyle will continue to appear so desirable in

I hear you yunki.

When I read posts saying how great the unemployed/people on disability benefits have it, I always think "If it's so great then give up your job and aspirations and live it yourself", you will soon see how bleak their life can feel. Especially if it involves constant pain, with no real chance of it going away. Sadly it seems you have to go through this to have any real empathy.

If you have a ps3 and sat TV and 50" screen and your not working you have way more than me and I have worked all my life and paid all my taxes

why is it always the large TV and the games console that sticks in the throats of the daily mail reader..!?

anyone has the purchasing power to aquire these things FFS!!

HP.. social fund loan.. credit cards.. home improvements loan from the bank..

I guess that people that don't get about much cos they're fat or off their face or crippled with arthritis or similar prefer to budget for a TV rather than a MTB..?

why is it always the large TV and the games console that sticks in the throats of the daily mail reader..!?

Because narrow-minded people can't see beyond materialism in the formation of their judgement of others...?

Rich - Just make sure you make it anonymous seems to be the general idea.

I witnessed a serious assault once. Surrounded by a few mates one of Mary Hill's finest bottled a student girl in the street. It was totally unprovoked. I knew who he was and where he lived. I went to the police and gave a statement, so I guess that makes me a grass. I didn't pop round and have a chat with him about it, so I guess that means I don't have any balls.

Why do you have to use a case of extreme violence to try to prove your point?

In a perfect world we would all have 100% faith that "the system" is able weed out those attempting to claim benefits (or the middle class equivalent of tax evasion, all the same in my book). But it isn't - it would cost a bomb for a start and we would all be whinging about the admin costs.

Never known someone I could say hand on heart I was sure was fiddling the system so could not say for certain what I’d do. I think a lot of folks here are confusing reporting someone with them actually losing their benefits – clearly the most that would happen would be it might instigate an investigation. If the person/family in question had no case to answer, no harm done. If I was claiming a benefit I’d expect my right to be regularly checked so would not find an investigation an issue. There must be a lot of vindictive reporting which wastes time and money but sensible reporting by the public must help in the efficient deployment of investigators.

I wonder if those that could never condone “dobbing in” would feel the same if the money fraudulently claimed was being directly plucked out of their actual wallet rather than our collective coffers (you get a knock at the door from the self employed bloke down the road who you know fudges his tax return and demands £10 from your wallet as he is off down the pub)? I’m well up for the state spending as much if not more as we do today on helping those in need even if taxation went up as a result – it’s an indication of a sophisticated society. But you want to make sure as much money as possible gets to those that really need it. Living on benefits is not as affluent a lifestyle as most think - if they could get another £50 a week by reducing that given to spongers that has to be a good thing.

This particular case sounds a bit iffy for reporting – there is a big difference between a one off physical effort when you are feeling ok and the day in day out requirement needed for employment – even if that is just sitting in an office.

Why do you have to use a case of extreme violence to try to prove your point?

why is it always the large TV and the games console that sticks in the throats of the daily mail reader..!?

If you have a ps3 and sat TV and 50" screen and your not working you have way more than me and I have worked all my life

That's what, a grand's worth, tops? You haven't been able to afford a grand's worth of discretionary purchases yet you've worked all your life and earn enough to pay tax? I don't believe you.

That's what, a grand's worth, tops? You haven't been able to afford a grand's worth of discretionary purchases yet you've worked all your life and earn enough to pay tax? I don't believe you

I know plenty of people who work hard and can barely afford rent/fuel & food

You should widen your social circle a bit more

im in the middle of painting our back room , i look out the window and the person is up a ladder cleaning the top off his conservatory with a long broom and a hose this morning whilst holding a tab in the other hand .....................

i look out the window

Do you not realise what this makes you sound like?

It is not hard towork out why they are cross.

yeah I see your point.. It's just not in my moral compass to look at someone's TV and feel upset that they have more than I do..

bullheart - Member

I'll send over a sarnie and some Charmin!

For the record, there is a fundamental difference between being scared and being a coward. I've suggested that your lack of desire might be linked to fear, not that you are a coward.

muchos appreciated, I don't like charmin though so I used some nettles.

Fear... fear of???

I will be the first to admit I used to fear a lot of things, that all changed when I had my freedom taken away for a year (not in prison I'm not a criminal ;))

now I fear nothing, I bother no one and no one bothers me. It's a great life 😉

for the record I wouldn't grass on a filthy rich person either so my morals are intact.

It still amazes me how involved with other peoples lives some people can get.

You fear nothing? Nothing at all?

bullheart - Member

You fear nothing? Nothing at all?

sure I have reservations about certain things but I wouldn't go as far as to say I fear them. Maybe that's where I am going wrong fear is a great motivator but then that's a whole new post.

I spent over half my life in fear, fear of completely stupid situations my time away if anything addressed this but as I say maybe that's my downfall.

Because narrow-minded people can't see beyond materialism in the formation of their judgement of others...?

Typical middle class twaddle.

When I was down on my luck I spent my money on paying the bills and feeding the 3 kids I didnt have money for ps3 or flat screen tv so why should they have at my expense? Its not judgmental its about fairness in society. Too many middle class righteous liberal bleeding hearts.

I know plenty of people who work hard and can barely afford rent/fuel & food

Maybe so. Presumably they don't have TVs, steros, games consoles, mobile phones, microwaves, computers, etc.

Typical middle class twaddle.

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Is it? Explain why please...

Shop em in, bloody scroungers!

If they are gen and have nothing to hide then there wont be a problem!

It's just not in my moral compass to look at someone's TV and feel upset that they have more than I do..

Do you not realise what this makes you sound like?

Too many middle class righteous liberal bleeding hearts.

why should they have hot water..? in fact.. if they can't work.. why should we give them food!!?

put 'em on the streets the lazy bastards

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you've got to draw the line somewhere..

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If you dont contribute anything to society through sheer laziness then you shoud'nt get anything back from society!

These people claiming benefits becuase they cant be arsed to work, should be made to do voluntary work, untill they get a job, and if they wont take a job, then they should be given a big fat nothing. Probably best to put them in a big hole and fill it!

give over you heartless muppett. Unless you have failed to notice there are not enough jobs to go round in this utopia we live in.
If they all did voluntary work you would have a lot more unemployed and it would cost more money to get them to do this and i cant see a tax hike being popular. As for the hole I think you should take the opportunity to climb back in yours.
Heartless and ill concieved idiotic nonesense I hope you were trolling.

where do you live? practically every supermarket and Macdonalds in the country is recruiting staff? If I lost my job, then I would have to do that and I would do that if need be!

There are plenty of jobs around! Maybe not perfect jobs, but there are jobs!

Plus we are not talking about professionals here, we are talking lazy scumbags, whose children goto school with no dinner money because poor hard up mummy and daddy have pissed it all away! waiting to take up a job as a lawyer with all the quals they worked so hard at school to get!

I have no wish to engage with you, your view is contemptabile and you appear to be lacking in some basic attributes of humanity such as compassion and understanding. I pity you and your Daily Mail world view.

Some of you lot must walk round with blinkers on, or always see the good in people!

I work in Toxteth and the level of unemployable people not "unemployed" is quite worrying. Its nothing to do with a real lack jobs its being 4th generation unemployable so they do what they can.

& that's milk the system for as much as they can, see if you can guess where the highest amount of Motability cars come from in the UK?

..ooops!

some of them are hard working citizens who work their arse off for minimum wages getting less than their non working neighbours and only being able to afford a smaller tv. It is not hard to work out why they are cross.

No one is less well off working than on benefits. Its a myth.

See if you can guess where the highest amount of Motability cars come from

Saarlouis in Germany.
The DLA is the least defrauded benefit in the UK.

When I was down on my luck I spent my money on paying the bills and feeding the 3 kids I didnt have money for ps3 or flat screen tv so why should they have at my expense?

Why do you think that someone who is unable to work due to a disability is "unlucky" and should be forced to live in poverty ?

I can't think of one single reason why someone who is unable to work due to a disability, should enjoy a lower than average standard of living.

Maybe you think that their disability is God's punishment to them for their past wickedness ? 💡

Why do you think that someone who is unable to work due to a disability as "unlucky" and should be forced to live in poverty?

They shouldn't and that's why the DLA is not means tested. It acknowledges that being disabled results in a number of additional costs in personal care and mobility and helps the individual with these, regardless of the individual's assets or working status. I believe David Cameron claimed DLA for his late son.

I earn my iving working in some of the poorest areas in the country, many if not all the homes i work in are claiming / living off benifits very few have anyone in the house working.
i live in a privilidged area everyone male in the street in work most women of working age in work.
some things stand out
guess where the larger tellies are?
guess which homes have the lawns un mown?
guess which homes have the most foriegn holidays?
guess where I see the most black range rover sports?
guess where the kids hang round the strreet corners?
guess whose kids are in for 8pm?
guess who has the least break ins?
guess whose at work today?
guess whose not got holiday homes in wales/ lake district?

is it only depression, alcoholism and drug addiction that set these two groups apart ( being the major reasons for sickness benifits) or is something else the real difference between the two groups?

dob em in.. easy to say .. but harder to do.. have you actually done it..
what happens is you get a nice man visits the claimant by appointment and asks is it true puts the evidence before them. claimant says no.. end of.
I know I knew the person I dobbed in but he didnt know it was me what done it.
He is ill but worked 4 - 5 days a week and claimed etc etc now he just claims and hopefully he'll live a little longer but have a little less cash in his pocket to spend on booze and fags.

He is ill but worked 4 - 5 days a week and claimed etc etc now he just claims and hopefully he'll live a little longer but have a little less cash in his pocket to spend on booze and fags.

I earn my iving working in some of the poorest areas in the country, many if not all the homes i work in are claiming / living off benifits

So it's bollox all these claims that people living on benefit have loads of money then ?.........they are amongst the poorest people in the country ?

Well there's an eye opener. I've a good mind to walk down to my newsagents' and cancel my Mail Daily with immediate effect......lying ****ers.

I wouldn't report some-one. I can understand the feeling about taxes and wot not, but in the end you'll just wind yourself up about it, and unless it effects you directly where's the sense in that?

It's a nice day, go to the park, sunbathe, have an ice cream. **** him.

yes of course, they're stealing (if genuine!) off those pay tax and contribute!

j_me - Member

"See if you can guess where the highest amount of Motability cars come from"

Saarlouis in Germany.
The DLA is the least defrauded benefit in the UK.

OK badly worded & my data was from 2004 (I should have said what dealership) Is that DLA including the higher rate mobility component?

What is the most defrauded benefit?

Carer's Allowance followed by Income Support & Job Seekers Allowance.
[url= http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd2/fem/fem_apr08_mar09.pdf ]See Page 8[/url]

Edit : depends how you cut the data I guess. By net amount rather than a percentage it would be Housing Benefit and Income Support.

I have no wish to engage with you, your view is contemptabile and you appear to be lacking in some basic attributes of humanity such as compassion and understanding. I pity you and your Daily Mail world view

I am full of compassion and understanding for/of people who are genuinely on benefits because they cannot work due to an illness etc, my dad was in that position.
I am not full of compassion for the tossers that cannot be arsed to work, yet think they have a right to everything a hardworking person has!

If you cannot see that there are people out there like this, then you are walking around with blinkers on!

My wife is a teacher in a v rough part of the west midlands, and believe me, there are some proper lazy lazy scumbags out there abusing the system! half of the kids in my wifes class are from these families! None of them work, yet they own brand new cars, all have sat TV and Iphones!!!! are all these 25 year olds with 6 kids unable to work ????

I dont think so.

TandemJeremy - Member
No one is less well off working than on benefits. Its a myth.

Anything to back that up? [url= http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/pdfs/Poverty_Trap_-_Mar_10_WEB.pdf ]PolicyExchange seem to think it is rather real[/url].

policy exchange - right wing loonies.

A poverty trap can be created but a long taper on in work benefits such as family tax credit prevents it.

TJ they do a calcualtion for your [better off calculation] and it is not always a positive result. Often they will top it up for a period to ensure you are but not in the long run - you amy be net better off but if you factor in travel expenses etc you can be worse off in terms of disposable income. I am not guessing at this I know this to be the case as I work in a job centre [ though not for them] a couple of days per week. You are usually better off in work but it is not guaranteed even with working tax credit. It may be rare but it is not correct to say it never occurs. [

Where exactly is this mythical school where the 25 year old lazy lazy scumbags have 6 kids, drive a new car and an iphone as i smell more hysterical Daily Mail BS from you They are not immigarnts or assylum seekers are they ?
I am glad you are compassionate towards your Dad perhaps you could generalise beyond kinship?