[Closed] Benifit fraud... would you report someone??

You're lucky to have a wife. 🙁

I always have to borrow someone else's....

busted

I'm scared so scared I just did a poo.

I find it funny that you can deduce how I feel from a few words, you should be a shrink 😉

We clearly have different morals I suppose thats what makes the human race so interesting.

I would still never grass about anything, live and let live etc

no offence taken whatsoever 🙂

can I get a bacon sarnie?

I would still never grass about anything, live and let live etc

I find that a cowardly approach. As BullHeart says, where do you draw the line? You have to draw it somewhere and have the balls to step up to it.

You have to draw it somewhere

I guess this is true.. and it's also true that the furthur away that you draw it.. the bigger the balls needed to step up to it when required..

pik and mix - what about if someone beat up your mum and you knew who it was - but they were big and scary? Tell the police or not?

j_me - Member
What colour are you painting the dogs ?

If I had my way, stealth bomber black. But the wife is into pastels at the moment.

Pik n Mix - Member

I'm scared so scared I just did a poo.

can I get a bacon sarnie?

I'll send over a sarnie and some Charmin!

For the record, there is a fundamental difference between being scared and being a coward. I've suggested that your lack of desire might be linked to fear, [u]not[/u] that you are a coward.

......this neighbour 2 doors down was quite helpful when we first moved in and we actually became friends........now he thinks he is the boss of the neighbourhood, bossing people around, telling them not to park in certain places so his daughter can park there, telling other poeple to stop being noisy etc.

Oh I see, he's a mate you've fallen out with - that's why you know so much personal stuff about him, you should've said that in the first place.

Yeah grass him up, you know you should - now that you're not mates anymore like. But you already knew that didn't you ? ...... you never sounded as if you had an open mind on the issue - despite asking everyone what you should do.

Good luck at being a back-stabbing former mate.

Come on, come on...

Ernie you must of missed this part of my post ..........

"I can see where people are coming from where they tell me to mind my own business and to be fair i wont report him.

its just frustrating how people can blatantly twist the system to there advantage , where the like of another neighbour can barley walk due to a tumour on her back yet still works hard cant get any benifits!!"

[mockney accent] WUNUNDRED!!!!! [/mockney accent]

renton.. how would you feel if your mate/neigbour bought you an x-box and a ps3 and a plasma tv for your birthday..?

not so jealous..?

Bastid! You've claimed that wunundredth post fraudulently! You're not entitled to it!!! I've worked bloody hard for that, you scrounging git!!! 😡

I'm reporting you....

I don't see why you have to do the State's work for them. It just encourages the curtain twitching and back stabbing.
The State won't thank you and more than likely will take the opportunity to investigate you for some petty infraction.

yunki .

i am not jealous at all, i can put my hand on my heart and say that everything i own i have worked hard for and it is mine.

i am not jealous at all

So why you banging on about his Ecks-Bocks and 50" telly then?

Is it because he's got a bigger one than you have?

renton - maybe if you kept the noise down, him two doors down wouldn't need to tell you to "stop being noisy", and you could be mates again 💡

Hey why have all you lefties all suddenly supporting [potentialy]fleecing the state /potentially breaking the law [ reporting him will make no difference if it is legit] yet you get all cross about rich folk not breaking the law and avoiding tax. What is the difference in terms of morality as I see both behaviours as ignoring your social responsibilty to your fellow citiens via tax /legitimate claims. To compound this some o you think that anyone who may report someone for this potential crime deserves derision and to be labelled a grass yet the potental defrauder deserves our ignorance.
Odd moral code you seem to applying here tbh.

eat the rich.. not each other

Nah I think the fraud/potentially depriving others of what they need and deserve being bad is a given; what appears to be more at issue here is people's resentment of others due to some perceived 'advantage' someone else appears to have. And not having the balls to stand up and say what you think to someone's face, and using clandestine methods to satisfy some urge to better someone else.

Cos that's what this is really about.

Odd moral code you seem to applying here tbh.

I agree. When I shopped my mother for not having a TV license, I had to explain to my brother and sisters, "you can't have one set of moral standards for friends and family, and then another set of moral standards for everyone else". They didn't seem to get it.

You are getting dangerously close to saying it is the politics of envy there 😉

I'm interested for more personal reasons..

My family and I have a completely legitimate entitlement to certain health related benefits.. and yet although we have reams of irrefutable evidence.. medical records and professional advocates.. it is still incredibly difficult to access these entitlements..

I find it very hard to believe that anyone can be building a comfortable lifestyle by claiming disability benefits fraudulently.. if they are I can't imagine that their lifestyle will continue to appear so desirable in the current political climate..

you get all cross about rich folk not breaking the law and avoiding tax

Point well made Sir ! That's the last time I'm shopping in duty free.

I don't see it as any different to suspecting people of importing bike bits from the US and getting the value marked down to avoid tax/duty or walking straight through the green channel with it

BTW - I'm currently awaiting a parcel from the States, feel free to denounce me to the authorities as you now have grounds to suspect I'm defrauding every tax payer in the UK

if you need my name and address, drop me an email

j_me - Member

I find that a cowardly approach. As BullHeart says, where do you draw the line? You have to draw it somewhere and have the balls to step up to it

Just make sure you make it anonymous seems to be the general idea.
What was that about having balls again? 😛

I agree. When I shopped my mother for not having a TV license, I had to explain to my brother and sisters, "you can't have one set of moral standards for friends and family, and then another set of moral standards for everyone else". They didn't seem to get.

Classic! Funny thing is I'm not sure if you're serious or not!!? 😯

Its our taxes we have every right to ask the state to check that our money is being spent in the most efficient way and goes to those who need it most. If you have a ps3 and sat TV and 50" screen and your not working you have way more than me and I have worked all my life and paid all my taxes. Clearly those are essentials I will have to choose drugs, get obese or claim I have a bad back!

50" Telly? Pah! How about a 70" one??!!?!

Who loves ya, baby?!

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yunki - Member
I'm interested for more personal reasons..

My family and I have a completely legitimate entitlement to certain health related benefits.. and yet although we have reams of irrefutable evidence.. medical records and professional advocates.. it is still incredibly difficult to access these entitlements..

I find it very hard to believe that anyone can be building a comfortable lifestyle by claiming disability benefits fraudulently.. if they are I can't imagine that their lifestyle will continue to appear so desirable in

I hear you yunki.

When I read posts saying how great the unemployed/people on disability benefits have it, I always think "If it's so great then give up your job and aspirations and live it yourself", you will soon see how bleak their life can feel. Especially if it involves constant pain, with no real chance of it going away. Sadly it seems you have to go through this to have any real empathy.

If you have a ps3 and sat TV and 50" screen and your not working you have way more than me and I have worked all my life and paid all my taxes

why is it always the large TV and the games console that sticks in the throats of the daily mail reader..!?

anyone has the purchasing power to aquire these things FFS!!

HP.. social fund loan.. credit cards.. home improvements loan from the bank..

I guess that people that don't get about much cos they're fat or off their face or crippled with arthritis or similar prefer to budget for a TV rather than a MTB..?

why is it always the large TV and the games console that sticks in the throats of the daily mail reader..!?

Because narrow-minded people can't see beyond materialism in the formation of their judgement of others...?

Rich - Just make sure you make it anonymous seems to be the general idea.

I witnessed a serious assault once. Surrounded by a few mates one of Mary Hill's finest bottled a student girl in the street. It was totally unprovoked. I knew who he was and where he lived. I went to the police and gave a statement, so I guess that makes me a grass. I didn't pop round and have a chat with him about it, so I guess that means I don't have any balls.

Why do you have to use a case of extreme violence to try to prove your point?

In a perfect world we would all have 100% faith that "the system" is able weed out those attempting to claim benefits (or the middle class equivalent of tax evasion, all the same in my book). But it isn't - it would cost a bomb for a start and we would all be whinging about the admin costs.

Never known someone I could say hand on heart I was sure was fiddling the system so could not say for certain what I’d do. I think a lot of folks here are confusing reporting someone with them actually losing their benefits – clearly the most that would happen would be it might instigate an investigation. If the person/family in question had no case to answer, no harm done. If I was claiming a benefit I’d expect my right to be regularly checked so would not find an investigation an issue. There must be a lot of vindictive reporting which wastes time and money but sensible reporting by the public must help in the efficient deployment of investigators.

I wonder if those that could never condone “dobbing in” would feel the same if the money fraudulently claimed was being directly plucked out of their actual wallet rather than our collective coffers (you get a knock at the door from the self employed bloke down the road who you know fudges his tax return and demands £10 from your wallet as he is off down the pub)? I’m well up for the state spending as much if not more as we do today on helping those in need even if taxation went up as a result – it’s an indication of a sophisticated society. But you want to make sure as much money as possible gets to those that really need it. Living on benefits is not as affluent a lifestyle as most think - if they could get another £50 a week by reducing that given to spongers that has to be a good thing.

This particular case sounds a bit iffy for reporting – there is a big difference between a one off physical effort when you are feeling ok and the day in day out requirement needed for employment – even if that is just sitting in an office.

Why do you have to use a case of extreme violence to try to prove your point?

why is it always the large TV and the games console that sticks in the throats of the daily mail reader..!?

If you have a ps3 and sat TV and 50" screen and your not working you have way more than me and I have worked all my life

That's what, a grand's worth, tops? You haven't been able to afford a grand's worth of discretionary purchases yet you've worked all your life and earn enough to pay tax? I don't believe you.

That's what, a grand's worth, tops? You haven't been able to afford a grand's worth of discretionary purchases yet you've worked all your life and earn enough to pay tax? I don't believe you

I know plenty of people who work hard and can barely afford rent/fuel & food

You should widen your social circle a bit more

im in the middle of painting our back room , i look out the window and the person is up a ladder cleaning the top off his conservatory with a long broom and a hose this morning whilst holding a tab in the other hand .....................

i look out the window

Do you not realise what this makes you sound like?

It is not hard towork out why they are cross.

yeah I see your point.. It's just not in my moral compass to look at someone's TV and feel upset that they have more than I do..

bullheart - Member

I'll send over a sarnie and some Charmin!

For the record, there is a fundamental difference between being scared and being a coward. I've suggested that your lack of desire might be linked to fear, not that you are a coward.

muchos appreciated, I don't like charmin though so I used some nettles.

Fear... fear of???

I will be the first to admit I used to fear a lot of things, that all changed when I had my freedom taken away for a year (not in prison I'm not a criminal ;))

now I fear nothing, I bother no one and no one bothers me. It's a great life 😉

for the record I wouldn't grass on a filthy rich person either so my morals are intact.

It still amazes me how involved with other peoples lives some people can get.

You fear nothing? Nothing at all?

bullheart - Member

You fear nothing? Nothing at all?

sure I have reservations about certain things but I wouldn't go as far as to say I fear them. Maybe that's where I am going wrong fear is a great motivator but then that's a whole new post.

I spent over half my life in fear, fear of completely stupid situations my time away if anything addressed this but as I say maybe that's my downfall.

Because narrow-minded people can't see beyond materialism in the formation of their judgement of others...?

Typical middle class twaddle.

When I was down on my luck I spent my money on paying the bills and feeding the 3 kids I didnt have money for ps3 or flat screen tv so why should they have at my expense? Its not judgmental its about fairness in society. Too many middle class righteous liberal bleeding hearts.

I know plenty of people who work hard and can barely afford rent/fuel & food

Maybe so. Presumably they don't have TVs, steros, games consoles, mobile phones, microwaves, computers, etc.