[Closed] Being a fatty now socially acceptable

No i wont sugar coat it . Your a fat **** move more eat less

I was once very fat.....amaizing what moving more does for you .

No i wont sugar coat it . Your a fat **** move more eat less

I was once very fat.....amaizing what moving more does for you .

+1. As someone who has lost over 10 stone there's no sympathy from me for fatties!

i'm not sure being fat as ever been socially unacceptable- certainly not as far as I'm concerned it hasn't,
Why should it be?

No i won't sugar coat it . Your a fat **** move more eat less

I was once very fat.....amazing what moving more does for you .

you can't say things like that around these parts, the idave devotees will shout you down whilst chanting their mantra 😉

Acceptance into society isn't too much to ask for is it? My view on this is simple: tax cr** food and use revenue to subsidise fruit and veg. Healthy food is too expensive.

Fatness appears to be the last area where abusing people for their outwards appearance is still acceptable. While that's clearly not on, the nature of the obesity epidemic is such that it takes time to become that overweight, and so people often don't recognise the implication to their health.

And I'm not sure it's just ba greed alone that does it - eating the sort of shit hat makes us fat is even more normalised than fatness itself.

I thought being s]fat[/s] overweight is a health risk so it's now socialably acceptable to be unhealthy, what next Mugabe will be an ambassador for tourism, oh hang on 😮

No i wont sugar coat it .

Because you'd just eat it.

I'd rather be fat than a ****. #justsaying

MPs think the terms have a negative impact on body image and self-esteem, and want doctors to promote broader health and lifestyle messages instead.

So it's just words that have a negative impact, not the fact that you are actually fat.

It might be a struggle for the simple minded to understand but getting overweight folk to lose weight by making them feel shit about themselves doesn't really work.

#justsaying (paulsoxo +1 too)

I'd rather be fat than a *. #justsaying

Yeah, very good, but a doctor telling a patient that they are overweight or obese isn't being a *

They are just saying what needs to be said for the good of their patient's health.

I imagine it is also quite upsetting to be told you have cancer, AIDS, MS, Parkinson's etc etc etc should they avoid those words too??

As a confirmed fatty, I have to say I do not mind you taking the mickey out of me, in fact on of my knicknames is S F C (Short Fat Cahnnnnt) but to say that my body shape/state of unreadyness for war, is socially unacceptable marks you out as someone who has limited range.

Yeah, very good, but a doctor telling a patient that they are overweight or obese isn't being a ****

They are just saying what needs to be said for the good of their patient's health.

Socially acceptable is not the same as medically acceptable.

Graham, you are missing the point, we could discuss the MP's report as you are, and I think I'd probably agree. But the OP has implied that being fat is not socially acceptable, which is why its been correctly implied that he is a ****. Which is a shame because in other posts he has shown he has the capability to be intelligent and v witty.

yeah, but the OP is bwaaarp - this is his MO

Come on government - give us some incentive to look after our families future

What a great statement from the comments below the article!

yeah, but the OP is bwaaarp - this is his MO

Ahh I see.

[i]"The facts are when I started training in 1993, 10% of the UK was obese and now 25% are. We are absolutely not moving the goalposts - we are getting fatter," she says.[/i]

Are we up to 25% now ?.
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+1. As someone who has lost over 10 stone there's no sympathy from me for fatties!

Well done on losing the weight, but it does make me wonder how such a paragon of virtue managed to get 10 stone overweight without noticing.

I told my best mate he was overweight once. We sat, had a considered conversation and he said he was fully aware of the risks but liked food and hated exercise. I've tried occasionally (actually after the birth of each of his kids) in the 15 years since but it's his choice. He doesn't have any issues with being fat and it doesn't affect his self esteem etc.

I also know a woman, beautiful, never fat who thinks she is and has caused herself health problems because of dieting when she's already skinny.

I can't work out which of these two is worse. Or better.

Healthy attitudes are what it's about and I agree that taxing shit food would start. People might have to learn to cook again as currently I'm stunned by how many people think cooking dinner is a long job and are amazed if you can whip up dinner in 20 mins. Nearly everyone has an hour to watch TV but not to cook for some reason.

[i]in the 15 years since but it's his choice.[/i]

Yeah, and the NHS get the bill.

ahahah fatty fat fat fats look at them

[i]cyclist[/i]

Yeah, and the NHS get the bill.

Nope. He doesn't live in the UK and has private healthcare where he lives.

Just for balance...

[i][b]People might have to learn to cook again[/b] as currently I'm stunned by how many people think cooking dinner is a long job and are amazed if you can whip up dinner in 20 mins. Nearly everyone has an hour to watch TV but not to cook for some reason.[/i]

Good post.
I view it as some people have a vested interest in de-skillz the population down to only being able and willing to peel back the lid and place in microwave oven.

Learning to cook and making time to learn, is worthy, imo.

[i]Nope. He doesn't live in the UK and has private healthcare where he lives.[/i]

Well, someone is getting the bill for his inability to choice more responsibly.

And I do live in the UK, and fat people do cost the NHS.
😉

I imagine it is also quite upsetting to be told you have cancer, AIDS, MS, Parkinson's etc etc etc should they avoid those words too??

I'd be alarmed if we started "having AIDS is now socially acceptable" thread

For balance, and this is IMPORTANT

[b]I apologise if it appears that I was calling the op a ****, I wasn't. I was just wanted to make it clear that socially, there are probably more important things. [/b]

EDIT: I'm properly fat too. Used to be fat, got poorly, got a bit fatter. Eat well, don't exercise anywhere near as much as I should, but also find it and life in general very difficult at present, so maybe I'm just touchy on the subject!

Fat has been sociably acceptable for a long time. Peoples idea of normal is actually overweight.

We should let people do what they want.
Why are doctors trying to make people last forever?
The clues are there; poor diet + lack of exercise = short life. Just leave it at that?

Lambasting fat people on the internet is a bit dull tbf and been done to death.

Probably doesn't help much either as someone has already pointed out.

+1 on whoever said people need to learn to cook again.

bring back national service i say! didn't do me any harm.

Graham, you are missing the point, we could discuss the MP's report as you are, and I think I'd probably agree.

My first mistake was actually reading the OP's post and the linked article on the MP's report. This is STW, I should have skipped that and disappeared off into my own tangent 😀

FWIW, I completely agree that pointing at land whales in the street and shouting "Fatty fatty fat fat" isn't helpful and does mean you are a ****.

But I'm not sure that has anything to do with the article or post.

Food education is important I think. It's amazing how many people don't understand what is good or bad for you and can't cook a meal from scratch. Cheap convenience food is generally made tasy by adding lots of sugar, salt and fat.

It's the old chestnut of how do you break the cycle? Parent/s with bad diet pass on the habits to their kids. I was fortunate that even though we were poor my Ma liked to cook, so I ate a varied diet and got interested/educated about food.

Is Home Economics still on the curriculum?

Is Home Economics still on the curriculum?

From memory my Home Economics classes in school mainly involved baking cakes. And some sewing.

I'm not sure either would help much.

Fatness appears to be the last area where abusing people for their outwards appearance is still acceptable.

Not quite:

I don't think that being fat is socially acceptable quite yet.

I like to get sat on by women who weigh more than 20 stone... at the moment this is still labelled a 'fetish'.

tax cr** food and use revenue to subsidise fruit and veg. Healthy food is too expensive.

Is it?

Snack:
Apple 25p, mars bar 55p

Dinner:
Microwave spag bol £2.50 (35g of fat!), or any takeaway is goin to be £6+ and many times worse than that.

Home made spag bol
200g mince (so at least double the ready meal, ~10% fat) £5/kg, £1
Value Pasta 30p/packet ~ 7p portion
Tin of tomatoes 33p
assorted herbs, glug of red wine, salt/stock, chilli - 30p?
total = £1.70

How much cheeper does it need to be?

[shakes head in worry for the nation]

Obese/overweight are all clinical terms. As is underweight/tall/short stature/anaemic/dehydrated....

Still, reminds me of the time two HCAs were sat chatting on the ward (mid night shift) talking about how her BMI of 30+ labelled her as "obeast"...!
I chuckled at that one!

DrP

Can't be arsed to read all the above but sugar is as addictive as nicotine in my mind, and probably just as dangerous to your health. You think people want to be overweight?? They just can't control their need for sugar. I bought a large box of salad the other day £2.50, I could definitely bought a large packet of crisps and big dairy milk for that money, or 2.99p McDonalds burgers. Healthy food is too expensive and not sold in a conveniently packaged way.

[i]From memory my Home Economics classes in school mainly involved baking cakes. And some sewing.

I'm not sure either would help much. [/i]

I agree that H/E in schools probably isn't very effective.

Of course, I then wonder how all those gnerations of people throughout history, learnt to cook.
You know, before H/E, before National service.
Probably not before fetishism.

[i]I like to get sat on by women who weigh more than 20 stone[/i]
Not that they'd know it though.
😉

Besides aren't half of you on the idave diet!

glug of red wine

Where can I buy a glug of red wine?

[i]sugar is as addictive as nicotine in my mind[/i]

I saw what you did there.
😉

[i]Where can I buy a glug of red wine?[/i]

At the glug shop, you know, it just round the corner from where Phil works.
Some of us call it a..... pub.

Besides aren't half of you on the idave diet!

Yep, some of us are half on the iDiet. Cake just tastes too damn good. Plus I've worked out that I'm different to the average person so it's ok.

Of course, I then wonder how all those gnerations of people throughout history, learnt to cook.
You know, before H/E, before National service.

I think it was different in the past when generations of families tended to live together or near each other, everyone got round the table for dinner every night and did a big roast on a Sunday.

Plus of course there were no other options. Ready Meals either didn't exist or were revolting. Disposable income was lower so take-away or going out was a treat not a regular thing.

Where can I buy a glug of red wine?

Marks&Sparks actually sell wine in wine glasses!
(Presumably for people lacking opposable thumbs)

[i]Cake just tastes too damn good[/i]

Specialy if DD made it....

Marks&Sparks actually sell wine in wine glasses!

For 30p?

That's not just any old wine, that's M&S getting Yeti pished off his face wine.

[i]Plus of course there were no other options. Ready Meals either didn't exist or were revolting. Disposable income was lower so take-away or going out was a treat not a regular thing.[/i]

An excellent post which, for me, sums up how we got to 25% obeastity, during the last 30 yrs or so.

[i]That's not just any old wine, that's M&S getting Yeti pished off his face wine[/i]

Aw, go on then, just a glug.
Be worth it just to observe a pished yeti.

Besides aren't half of you on the idave diet!

Why would eating that way mean someone was overweight or obese? You seem to be confusing diets and dieting:

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet ]Diet, in relation to food[/url], might mean:
[list][*]Diet (nutrition), the sum of the food consumed by an organism or group[/*]
[*]Dieting, the deliberate selection of food to control body weight or nutrient intake[/*]
[*]Diet food, foods that aid in dieting[/*]
[*]Cuisine, the diet of a particular culture[/*][/list]

I'm eating the iDiet way. I'm also a smidge under 11 stone at a smidge under 6 foot, which gives me a BMI of 21.1

Ah here we go...

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[b][DAILYMAILWARNING][/b] http://www.****/news/article-1286346/Wine-glass-Entrepreneur-ridiculed-Dragons-Den-toasts-M-S-success.html [b][/DAILYMAILWARNING][/b]

£2.25 each apparently.

(I find Port is better in Spag Bol anyway 😉 )

Be worth it just to observe a pished yeti.

Log on most evenings... find a thread about fatties... hey presto.

Ready Meals either didn't exist or were revolting. Disposable income was lower so take-away or going out was a treat not a regular thing.

This IMO is why the iDiet works. It's why any sensible diet works. You cook properly with fresh ingredients, you don't get fat. It's simple.

Port? In spag bog??? Are you insane? Milk and white wine FTW.

GrahamS - Member

FWIW, I completely agree that pointing at [i][u][b]land whales[/b][/i][/u] in the street and shouting "Fatty fatty fat fat" isn't helpful and does mean you are a ****.

Barsteward: Now have tea dripping out of my nose and an office full of people staring at me!! 😆

[i]I'm eating the iDiet way. I'm also a smidge under 11 stone at a smidge under 6 foot, which gives me a BMI of 21.1

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Well, may be, but I still award you today's awesomeness award for being one of those people, who while unfortunately in the minority, here on STW.
Were at least open minded enough to allow your preconceptions to be challenged and to give something new a try.
😀

[i]Log on most evenings... find a thread about fatties... hey presto.

[/i]

So, errr,.... you watched that video then ?...

Nah, I didn't get in until late... cooked a big beef and bean stew for tonight, chorizio and spinach omelette for tea last night, made lunch and breakfast and pre swim snack for this afternoon. Packed 3 sets of gym kit then collapsed on the sofa with some rum and lemonade.

Is it worth just listening to?

Port? In spag bog??? Are you insane? Milk and white wine FTW.

MILK??

WTF? Are you thinking of Spaghetti Carbonara?

Carbonara:
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Bolognese:
[img] [/img]

Your bottom pic is a ragu.

Carbonara sauce comes from the egg and a touch of water from the boiling pasta.

[i]Is it worth just listening to?

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Not really, you need the visuals, especially when, as shown, some people have half a body which is super lean, the other half which is chunky.
( can we use the word chunky ? )

This demonstrated that looking at calories alone, didn't seem to explain why half the body was lean, the other not.
But of course, counting cals does [i]work[/i].
😉

bring back national service i say! didn't do me any harm.

I believe Bolognese should be made with white wine, if made in the traditional way of the city for which it is named. But different areas of Italy cook their ragu in different ways. I add a glass of wine first and then a glass of milk once that's reduced down.

A ragu is the best way of teaching people to cook, I think. replace the beef mince with chicken and you get a completely different dish. Chuck in some curry spices and you have curry. Kidney beans and chilli pepper makes a chilli.

In fact, loads of recipes can be reduced to:

"chop up some onions and garlic. Fry them. Add meat (optional). Add some chopped up veg. Add beans (optional). Add liquid (wine, tinned tomatoes, stock, or even just water. Add herbs or spices. Simmer. Eat with salad/potatoes/pasta/bread/whatever."

Cooking's a doddle.

Cooking's a [s]doddle.[/s] pleasure

FTFY... would love to know some of your bread recipes BTW.

"chop up some onions and garlic. Fry them. Add meat (optional). Add some chopped up veg. Add beans (optional). Add liquid (wine, tinned tomatoes, stock, or even just water. Add herbs or spices. Simmer. Eat with salad/potatoes/pasta/bread/whatever."

Cooking's a doddle.

My wife thinks I'm a genius when in fact most of my cooking is along these lines. Thank god she'll never find my internet history on the crappy ipad.

Your bottom pic is a ragu.

That may be, but stick "spaghetti bolognese" into Google Images and you'll a couple of million images almost exactly like that one.

Here's [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/spaghettibolognese_67868 ]the BBC Good Food Spag Bol recipe (red wine, no milk)[/url]

Here's [url= http://www.jamieshomecookingskills.com/recipe.php?title=bolognese-sauce-with-pasta ]Jamie Oliver's Bolognese sauce with pasta[/url] (no milk)

Here's [url= http://www.italianchef.com/tagliatelle-alla-bolognese ]ItalianChef.com's Tagliatelle alla Bolognese[/url] (no milk)

etc etc etc

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2010/nov/25/how-to-make-perfect-bolognese ]It's a controversial issue apparently[/url]

I still want a ruling on the word " [i]Chunky[/i] ", seeing as we're being all PC.

EDIT:
HOw many calories in bread ?.

would love to know some of your bread recipes BTW

I just use Plan Bread Bakery's recipe: http://storify.com/wadds/how-to-make-sough-dough-by-at-planbreadbakery (have to read from the bottom up, IIRC

Summarised: mix 200g sourdough starter, 470g white, 50g wholemeal, 250g water then wait 0:20. Add 9g salt and 50g water and mix gaian then wait 0:20. Knead. Leave to prove for 3:00. Tension then leave for 0:30. Shape then leave for 3:00. Slash. Bake (40 mins if doing one big loaf, 20 if two small ones).

How many calories in bread?

No idea.

That may be, but stick "spaghetti bolognese" into Google Images and you'll a couple of million images almost exactly like that one.

Yes and stick "Proof of God" into google you'll also find a couple of million pages, doesn't make it true though..

[i]No idea.

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😀

Thank god she'll never find my internet history on the crappy ipad.

How are you still struggling with that?? Bookmarks->History

Yes and stick "Proof of God" into google you'll also find a couple of million pages, doesn't make it true though..

Well true, but a named recipe is only really what everyone agrees it is.

I did hear some Italian Countess bemoaning on the radio a while ago that there was "no such thing" as Spaghetti Bolognese (in much the same way as many popular UK Indian meals are made up).

She seemed to rather miss the point that it did in fact exist and is enjoyed worldwide, it perhaps just isn't as authentically Italian as some people think.

Graham... just admit you're wrong and try making a traditional bolognese sauce... you might like it.

Never. 😀

Though I might well try the milk/wine recipe in [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2010/nov/25/how-to-make-perfect-bolognese ]the Guardian article[/url]. It does sound nice.

But it's not [i]my[/i] idea of a spag bol.

In response I suggest you try making the "traditional bolognese sauce" suggested by the Italian Federation of Chefs in this article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/7017565/Italian-chefs-tell-world-how-to-make-correct-bolognese.html

There's no doubt that obesity is a massive health issue, and I agree that the focus should be on HEALTH not whether being fat is socially acceptable or aesthetically pleasing - if we are going to challenge the obesity crisis we should also challenge society's obsession with skinny and the body beautiful. I've worked with primary school age girls who think they are fat and have poor body image - it's heartbreaking.

Some girls who find that they can't keep up with the skinny ideals get into a "f*** it" mentality - they comfort eat because they feel bad about their weight and think they'll never look like the girls in the magazines anyway, so they might as well eat what they want. Some fall into binge eating, bulimia or unhealthy cycles of bingeing and fasting and yo-yo dieting.

it's a difficult balance to strike - we SHOULD make different body shapes and sizes acceptable but we should also promote people being healthy, both mentally and physically. A skinny person who is depressed, malnourished, or has an eating disorder will also cost the NHS a lot of money, let's not forget.

But it's not my idea of a spag bol.

😆 you need to change your way of thinking. It's all the rage at the moment.

tax cr** food and use revenue to subsidise fruit and veg. Healthy food is too expensive.

I don't normally get annoyed by stuff, and try to avoid watching news etc. but this is one thing that really *es me off.

Healthy food IS NOT EXPENSIVE. Grow your own FFS, you can even do it indoors if you have no garden. We get our veg from the local farm shop every week, it costs us less than £15 for a weeks worth of fresh salad, fruit, veg etc. If you have no farmshop then instead of avoiding the fruit and veg isles in the supermarket and heading straight for the easy options, take a look at the offers. There's always stuff on offer, or buy the stuff thats short on date and erm, maybe go shopping more than once a week?!?

The problem is that healthy food takes slightly more effort than crap food and [i]the general public[/i] just can't be arsed.

And not knowing what / how to cook is no excuse either. Buy a *ing book and stop blaming everyone/thing else for you own idle behaviour.

Its not wonder you're fat.

Healthy food IS NOT EXPENSIVE. Grow your own FFS, you can even do it indoors

Tried that. The cow shit ruined the sofa.

it's a difficult balance to strike - we SHOULD make different body shapes and sizes acceptable but we should also promote people being healthy, both mentally and physically.

Not really possible though is it. Being obese isn't healthy. You can't promote being healthy and highlight the downsides of excess weight if you're accepting of larger body shapes? Personally I think there's an easy(?) solution, the only body shapes that should be presented as favourable should be athletic ones, these are built by careful nourishment and excercise. Neither skinny malnouros nor overweight McD's eaters can achieve a toned athletic figure. Similar to the anchient Greeks - IIRC they thought of their athletes as figures to be followed. Now assuming you can also see drug using/doped athletes as the antichrist you've got a society that promotes being healthy, which comes with a balance of excercise and good eating, regardless of job or background.

I don't normally get annoyed by stuff, and try to avoid watching news etc. but this is one thing that really ****es me off.

Healthy food IS NOT EXPENSIVE.

Totally agree, even without growing your own it's not expensive. Though I have to admit some crap food is VERY cheap.

What about people who have conditions like PCOS, underactive thyroid, mobility issues etc which make it harder for them to lose weight?

I have 2 friends with PCOS - one who is very conscious of managing her weight, and tries very hard to eat well and stay active, and one who doesn't try. But both of them are overweight, though the friend who makes an effort is a stone or so lighter, she is still what may be classed as "fat" or at least "chubby".

I would argue though that she is healthier than the friend who doesn't bother to eat healthy or exercise. She aint ever gonna be a skinny minnie, but I don't think she should be made to feel that she isn't acceptable because of that.

Maybe I should get her on iDave!