[Closed] Atomkraft Nein Danke?

Ever get the feeling they're simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic?!

IT'S NUCLEAR!!!!!!! PANIC PANIC PANIC!!!!!!!

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No, it is not the best form of energy generation in the world, but it's one of the few low-C methods of large scale generation we have technology for. What's more, the huge cutbacks in nuclear research since TMI and chernobyl have put back new technology by decades. Mindless knee-jerk reactions that some governments are currently taking highlight this.

Ultimately, we all use far too much energy to obtain it from renewable sources, and several Chernobyls would still be a lot less damaging globally than the climate change we're currently forecast for.

a) we all use much much less energy (cuts by about 80%) and survive solely on renewables
b) BAU and we carry on polluting and not paying for it through CO2, potentially killing millions through direct weather events, famine, and water shortages
c) More nuclear, accepting that seemingly once every 10-15 years something bad may happen locally
d) Something perhaps in between the three

Good God Zokes, is that you or has someone hacked your login?

Start with d) and aim for a) but with incresed renewable capacity so it's more than just surviving.

Edukator - whilst you are still in your ivory tower here are a few thoughts to burst your bubble

1. It's fine to be an idealist but seriously is anyone else? No one is going to cut back on energy usage; we've all been weened on the stuff - even the WHO / Media / Japanese etc etc are saying that limits to energy production will put people at risk!!

2.Renewable energy at current development rates is far too slow - the energy gap will simply get wider.

3. The other issue with renewable energy and the pseudo green movement is NIMBYISM - its all fine and jack dandy until a wind farm / solar panel farm / etc etc lands in their back yard - you should be at some o the anti-wind farm meetings I have had the displeasure to attend - total and utter selfishness (like most 'greens'); they've never once lifted a finger to complain when it was in someone else's patch but wait until it comes to a hill near you!

Funny old world - everyone wants energy nobody wants its production near !

Start with d) and aim for a)

Good, you're becoming more edukated....

I have never ever argued for nuclear over renewables. What I have tried to say and if falls on deaf ears is that the choice is really either coal or nuclear, with an increasing amount of renewables and energy efficiency over time. That does not mean renewables will ever be the dominant energy source in [i]most[/i] cases (unless you were planning on culling the world's population to any great extent).

Renewables themselves are not squeaky clean - hydro especially so (and this is about the only bulk generation technology there is in this sector). Nuclear clearly has potential for rare but major localised catastophes which most people seem to get hung up on, whilst they all just ignore the CO2-shaped elephant in the room.

As I keep saying, the climate debate is currently raging here in Oz. Just have a look at the cross-section of the comments [url= http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/45244.html ]here[/url]. Most people won't even let teh PM articulate the point on climate change, let alone give her chance to discuss how we can reduce its impacts. Why is that? Well, it's because most people either don't belive it's our fault or that there's anything we can do about it, or they simply don't care.

hydro especially so (and this is about the only bulk generation technology there is in this sector)

Personally I reckon Scout Moor would look far nicer like this:
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Personally I reckon Scout Moor would look far nicer like this:

I agree, although if you're using CA-fill, could you get rid of the quarry too? 😀

Nah - the windmills are easy, the quarry a bit tougher (anyway [b]I[/b] quite like that).

Witha bit of work in PS these days, you could probably reconstruct that landscape all the way back to pristine woodland before us humans got our mits on it....

100!

According to the WHO - Bullshit!

......and like I said Zulu

You can select statistics to suit your argument for as long as you like

The problem is at the end of the day, the degree of dishonesty inherant in these things. Today the Japanese have upgraded the emergency to level 5. I could have told you that ,as indeed could the British, American, Chinese and French governments a day or two ago.

I strongly distrust the Nuclear industry and their assurances of safety, as I do governments. Perhaps if they were more truthful zokes' option a) might get more support as the sensible way forward!!

Why is it, anything shouted in German sounds so frightening?

I mean, even something like 'ICH HABE EINE WELLENSITTICH!' would terrify the life out of me. 😯

coz they always like to finish on a heil! 😆