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White asbestos cement sheets from an old garage roof. Intact and stable.
£27 a sheet been quoted for disposal from a commercial Co.!!!
Are LA's required to take it from householders?
I don't know about "required," but my local [s]landfill[/s] recycling centre will accept the stuff from the public. They give out bags to put it in. Might be worth asking the question at yours?
Anything on your council's website - most will take, but only in small quantities (under 10 sheets) usually. I think
EDIT: Just looked on our county council website and they will collect up to 40kg from a house free of charge!
the council website bangs on about double wrapping in heavy duty plastic. Ive got 15x 8'x3' sheets of it.
Its not going to jump up and kill anybody, it's just asbestos cement, not the bogey man.
Will call the council dump in a bit and see what they say.
double wrap it and take it in over a period of time - you'll be fine
result!
recycling depot guy says I can bring it along as it is, but they wont handle it, I have to put it in the asbestos safe myself. Might need to borrow a mate. Asbestos safe has a big enough door apparently.
Only arse is I have to take the V5 up to the library to get a trailer permit first...
Doubt the tip will take it! Just had two weeks of removing sheets from two old factory units! Looking like I was working at Fukushima every day!! However due to my attire one woman neighbour did come up and ask if her washing would be ok 😆
Big result that one!!
I'd try and bag it anyway - you don't want to be banging it about and releasing dust all over the place.
Do you need a trailer permit for a car (or is this justfor takign stuff to tip.
I'd try and bag it anyway
15x 8'x3' sheets? pffft.
And anyway, it's chronic exposure to white cement that's the risk not the odd bit of dust once.
trailer permit is to take a trailer to the dump. You can get "emergency" permits which is what I'll be doing. Normally I use the camper van with the bed out. They treat it as a car, but I can load it like a commercial van which would normally be banned (no trade waste)
Councils will def take it but only at waste centres with the correct 'safe'. When I took some up I think we also had to book in a time to take it.
Just be careful when removing/moving it. The stuff is fairly safe while it's still cement bound, but is more dangerous if you start breaking it.
It may be "white" cement bound sheet, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it only contains chrysotile (white asbestos)...
If it is an old roof (ie pre mid 1980s or so) it may well contain amosite (brown asbestos) or even crocidolite (blue asbestos, but less likely...)
Don't be stupid for the sake of it, treat the material with some caution - so try to keep it intact without abrading or bashing it. Check that the edges aren't weathered or frayed. Sometimes it is possible to see if the cement binding is crumbling and fibres being released. If this is the case you'd be pretty irresponsible not to bag it.
Fireplace 'cheeks' look suspiciously like asbestos but how can you tell for sure?
Its wire guaze coated in the stuff.
for £20 you can get a huge Damp proof membrane from wickes and just cut that to size, fold that over a few sheets and tape the edges. can't see it costing much to do that many sheets and you won't be driving through town scattering bits of asbestos to the four winds everytime the traielr goes over a bump?
The only real way is to send it off for test hora.
Ill cover it with a tarp whilst in transit.
Its stable, been removed and stacked. not frayed.
probably ancient though.
It really is a load of old wotsits tho. We had ours taken away via a licensed skip which was no more than a normal skip and all they did when they collected it was put the normal open weave net over it at 5 times the price of course!!!
If one of the jobsworths at our local tip comes to see what you've just chucked in one of the 30 different segregated containers (and the security to get in that place is sterner than Tel Aviv airport) just ask "That was the right place for me to dump the asbestos, wasn't it?".
hee hee - just watch them run!
Fireplace 'cheeks' look suspiciously like asbestos but how can you tell for sure?
On the last asbestos thread, someone posted a link to a testing place where you can send samples to be analysed.
And anyway, it's chronic exposure to white cement that's the risk not the odd bit of dust once.
I didn't know it worked like that. I understood that it [i]wasn't[/i] the accumulative effect of asbestos which killed you as it never leaves your lungs. I thought that a one off exposure to asbestos could be sufficient to effect you many years later. As this story from the news three weeks ago suggests.
[url= http://www.asbestossurveyorsguide.co.uk/asbestos-management/woman-who-died-from-being-exposed-to-asbestos-while-at-school-wins-compensation-in-first-case-of-its-kind ]Woman who died from being exposed to asbestos while at school wins compensation in first case of its kind[/url]
The Supreme Court ruled that a one off prank involving hiding a blazer amongst some asbestos tiles led to the cause of death. Now I am no expert on asbestos, but I'm sure the Supreme Court had access to the most expert advice and evidence available when deciding whether or not to award almost a quarter of a million pounds.
I reckon a lot of people think that exposure to asbestos is like exposure to cigarettes - as soon as you stop the risks diminish, I certainly used to think that. However with asbestos it would appear that the risks increase over time.
I wouldn't want to over emphasise the risks associated with removing asbestos cement roof sheets, but to dismiss it as "health and safety gone mad" is plainly stupid.
[i]On the last asbestos thread, someone posted a link to a testing place where you can send samples to be analysed.[/i]
That would have been me. Here you go...
When I find something I think may have asbestos in I use this company...http://cavendishlaboratories.co.uk/
Carefully obtain a small sample, double bag the item you want checked, pop it in the post to them with a covering letter and a cheque for around £10 (Phone and check first). They normally phone with the result then send a letter confirming the result later. Very professional and quick...popped a bit of tile in for testing the other day and they contacted me next day! Worth paying for the peace of mind imo.
I never risk it and always get it checked...it's horrifying how many products it made it's way into 🙁
It is the health effects that are chronic - ie they can creep up over a period of many 10s of years...
Until very recentely, the recognised thinking was that "one fibre can kill you". HSE always took the line that a single exposure event could lead to chronic or fatal health effects much later on.
There is some ongoing debate about this, and that view might well be adjusted - but asbestos fibres do remain in the lung once inhaled, so over time even one fibre (or a similar small number) from a single or small number of exposure could result in a long term health impact.
The cigarette analogy is not appropriate for asbestos.
to dismiss it as "health and safety gone mad" is plainly stupid.
Correct
ETA
Carefully obtain a small sample, double bag the item
But to do this you need to disturb the material...
[i]But to do this you need to disturb the material...[/i]
I'd rather take the lower risk of taking the sample and knowing what I'm dealing with, rather than not knowing and just ripping out potentially asbestos containing material. 'Carefully' is up to the person taking the sample...suitable P3 mask, disposable gloves, wetting the board, etc. TBH though, in most instances it's not difficult to find a piece that's loose due to damage over time or at the time of installation...doesn't have to be a big sample.
.Its not going to jump up and kill anybody, it's just asbestos cement, not the bogey man
I shall have to tell my dad that who is currently still against the odd fighting against mesothelioma despite not working directly with asbestos , and for that matter I best let my mates granddad know his wife didn't develop it and die after washing his work clothes when he was working with the stuff
I'd rather take the lower risk of taking the sample and knowing what I'm dealing with, rather than not knowing and just ripping out potentially asbestos containing material.
Agreed, if it going to be disturbed anyway. My response was in the context of hora's fireplace...
£10 a sheet...loike...boss 🙂
Sorry my post probably reads worse than I meant it to be . Just be careful with the stuff no matter what you think it is
will do.
Ta, sample taken. Double-bagged and dropped off for a same-day analysis.
sample taken. Double-bagged and dropped off for a same-day analysis
That sentance coming from Hora has soooo many connotations!
If it was that 'sample taken' they would have to remove it from the ceiling, walls, hair and chest of the secretary.
Results negative- question. Within the fireplace apperture there is some brickwork set up to look like a shaping of the flu? Im assuming its not structural..
Scarily, I'm about to move into a house with an integral garage. the ceiling (below a bedroom - pres. there as fire retardation) is sheeted in white asbestos tiles. Given the place was built in the 1960s, I suspect it isn't the "cleanest" of asbestos.
AFAIK the sheets are all intact, but what's the thinking of having it removed anyway?
I'd assume it is structural until someone who knows has had a look. Otherwise you could bring the whole chimney stack down!
Deaths from asbestosis are I believe the biggest cause of occupational health fatalities. Confirmed cases are not predicted to peak until 2018
Anyone who treats it like it's not important is a ****nut.
AFAIK the sheets are all intact, but what's the thinking of having it removed anyway?
To be honest if it is in good condition then there is nothing wrong with asbestos. The biggest risk with intact stuff like you have will probably be damage during removal. Get it inspected but if there isn't any reason to have it removed then I'd just leave it be. For all the very real harm that asbestos dust can do, it is still a very useful material.
Im moving stable, intact, asbestos cement corrugated sheets from a stack at my home to the council dump. I dont think that makes me a ****. But perhaps it makes you one?
[i]AFAIK the sheets are all intact, but what's the thinking of having it removed anyway?[/i]
I'd say the same as gonefishin. I'm presuming they are of the cement board variety; if so, you could consider painting them in a suitable asbestos sealer.
Chill out man, it wasn't aimed at you or anyone else for that matter!
No its brickwork to create a flue. **** it, its coming out with my handy lump hammer.
Before & After pictures please!
fair enough yoss. but your post was the forum equivalent of walking into a pub and saying: "yer all ****s!"
Oh ok, well I'll have a martini then.
Seriously just damp it down, wrap it up and get shot of it. I'm currently studying the effects of inhaleable toxins for an OSH qualification and the risks people take with this stuff is unbelievable.
There is a 38 year old guy in the wife's hospice at the moment with Asbestosis.
He used to sit on his dad's knee when he was a little lad when his dad came home from work and his dad was having a cuppa' before going for a bath.
He picked up asbestos spores from his old man's overalls who only worked at the factory that was being demolished for 6 weeks or so.
He won't be walking out of the place.
I'm not sure, but I think children who inhale asbestos fibres develop problems quicker in their lives, and with less fibres needed, than adults. Hence the women mentioned in my link who died due to inhaling asbestos fibres after a one-off childhood prank.
Jesus monksie 🙁
Ps. Bingo the sod did an escaper from our backgarden and was found 'playing' in his favourite park- a few people brought him back!
monksie - that is severely unsettling.
My father worked with asbestos for 40 years. I've always been conscious that it will probably get him, but never really thought about the rest of the family. Thankfully they all changed overalls at work, but don't think they would have had showers etc in those days 🙁
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10702616 ]indian asbestos workers[/url]
Scarily, I'm about to move into a house with an integral garage. the ceiling (below a bedroom - pres. there as fire retardation) is sheeted in white asbestos tiles. Given the place was built in the 1960s, I suspect it isn't the "cleanest" of asbestos.
Is it a cement sheet, hard faced material or slightly soft to the touch? [b][u]Wear a mask and disposable suit to check!![/u][/b]
It could be AIB which will require specialist removal/encapsulation. Asbestos Insulating Board could have been used to reduce noise and heat loss in this application.
gonefishin, nuke - cheers.
sandwich - however, you've now frightened me. Gonna get another report done on it. I don't live there yet, so am not aware iof its specific detail.
My concern is for my daughter - she'll grow up in the house, so I want to avoid exposure for her. Paranoid parent syndrome, etc.
Cheers
My sister analyses asbestos samples - it's her business.
Look up East Riding Laboratories in Hull.
Ourman ACC in trafford park offer a same day service. You can drop it off to verify. Call them. I paid 33quid for a 4hour turnaround.
Well that was pretty painless in the end.
"Emergency" trailer permit for the local recycling/dump and just roll up and put the stuff in the asbestos safe.
That's £300 saved then.
That's £300 saved then.
Hardly seems worth it.
Holy thread revival. I now own the house...
Is it a cement sheet, hard faced material or slightly soft to the touch? Wear a mask and disposable suit to check!!
Dunno. Have decided not to get that close to it.
It could be AIB which will require specialist removal/encapsulation. Asbestos Insulating Board could have been used to reduce noise and heat loss in this application.
I fear that it's AIB, as it will have been installed for thermal insulation and fire retardation (the garage is integral, so there's a room above).
It seems intact *on the whole* but there is a small area of damage showing in the middle of the ceiling. Also, whenever the boiler was installed (located in the garage) pipes were run up the wall and through the ceiling. Suggests to me that those panels at least are not stable.
Currently, only my bikes are in the garage, so I'm going to get someone round. I'll have to brace myself for the quotes.