[Closed] Are the Tories OK after all?

It's interesting to note that after last year's relatively uncontroversial conference, all of the right wing rhetoric which made them unelectable has crept back in.

I dislike them intensely, about as much as I disliked the New Labour aberration.

Why do we have to swing between one of two equally awful alternatives all the time?

Well they can't be any worse than the last shower

Well they can't be any worse than the last shower

Apparently enough people thought so, to stop them winning the general election.

You know what? If someone gave me a crystal ball in May 2010 and asked me to vote, I still wouldn't have voted Labour. They weren't just rubbish, they were really, really rubbish. Awful even. This voter simply cannot ever vote Labour again.

Well they can't be any worse than the last shower

They can. Oh they can. Much, much worse.

But as much as I despise Cameon (perfectly natural reaction, because he is by default a lying cheating scumbayg) it's this mayn who I'd really like to batter with a nailed baseball bat:

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Spineless, lying, gutless hypocritical ****.

Elfin, they're all by their very nature lying, cheating scumbags.

Blair, Major, Thatcher, Brown... Cameron is no different.

As for Clegg, he's as slippery as a well greased eel who's been liberally marinaded in vaseline.

Are modern politicians a reflection of modern society? Are we prepared to accept changes in policy based on reflection or do we castigate them for a U turn? It is very easy to stand on the side lines and snipe but unless you have truly engaged (and STW does not count), what have you done to help? These are rhetorical questions - but would you do their job, really?

mefty - Member
Are modern politicians a reflection of modern society?

Watching Cameron on Newsnight right now.

What a horrible, horrible mayn.

if a 13 yr old kid had lived with bad parents all its life then had 18 months with foster parents who had a more disciplined approach who would you blame for its current attitudes and behaviours
frankly we seem to be in a better place than most of europe/ developed world
dave has a plan we might not like it but i'm told some medications are unpleasant but effective

dave has a plan we might not like it but i'm told some medications are unpleasant but effective

Sweet Baby Jesus and all the orphans; what on Earth makes you think Dave and his chums actually give two hoots about this country and it's people? Is it not patently obvious that all they are doing is setting themselves and their corporate cronies up for life?? How in the name of all that is holy can you not see that??????

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Of course not. It a cynical attempt at marketing them as the nice party.

[i] greased eel who's been liberally marinaded in vaseline.[/i] 😆

No. They're still a bunch of self-serving cockbags, just like last week/year/decade. Next!...

Watching Cameron on Newsnight right now.

What a horrible, horrible mayn.

thats funny, he said the opposite about you.

Dont worry everyone, the tories are here to save us from the astronomical debt that the other lot have left us in.

They keep talking about the debt they have inherted mainly because they are having to make unpopular decisions to attempt to rectify the horrible mess.
Believe it or not, making unpopular decisions turns out to make you even more unpopular.

Cameron will save the day, he's a hero. Saving us all from the left. You'll understand one day.

Long live the Tories! hurrah! God Bless Maggie.

May god forgive the reds.

gawd bless 'em, every one of 'em. so caring and thoughful about us. please Dave, can I have some more? Well, **** off Dave, you don't give a shity stick about me, you never have, and your company (let's call it a company) never will. You have no idea about how people like me get by on a daily basis or how people like me think about people like you. But we are massive and you are a small bunch of rich powerful people. Just keep pushing it and we will piss on your face Dave with our steaming acidic vitriol. do you hear me Dave? oh, you're soundly asleep...

I think the church is going to have different views to Cameron about me getting married. They should know, after all I think they wear dresses more often than me.

thanks, by the way derekrides to suggest that we are part of the evils of the world, and that no one gives a shit anyway. Nice.

they're all by their very nature lying, cheating scumbags.

Blair, Major, Thatcher, Brown... Cameron is no different.

As for Clegg, he's as slippery as a well greased eel who's been liberally marinaded in vaseline.

This I like.

thanks, by the way derekrides to suggest that we are part of the evils of the world, and that no one gives a shit anyway. Nice.

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Doesn't speak for us all, emsz.

Sweet Baby Jesus and all the orphans; what on Earth makes you think Dave and his chums actually give two hoots about this country and it's people? Is it not patently obvious that all they are doing is setting themselves and their corporate cronies up for life?? How in the name of all that is holy can you not see that??????

Wow. Try not to let a narrow minded and irrational dogma get in the way of the truth there Elf.

But of course, silly me, you don't really believe that at all, you're just playing to the house and having fun. Aren't you?

mefty - Member
Are modern politicians a reflection of modern society?

druidh - Member
Of course - who votes for them? You know, despite the almost constant squeeling on here, the UK has voted for a right-wing government since Thatcher got into power. I don't see any sign of that changing any time soon.

Exactly !!
'we' have become a totally aspirational capitalist society, the 'usual suspects' may bleat and whinge but in truth, enjoy the fruits and luxuries of capitalism as much as the rest of us.
At least the Conservative Party do 'what is says on the tin' whilst the others are seemingly just conservatives with different colour ties....

its clear, the only thing I have in common with you lot is a love of bikes. (not sure thats even true for some).

I just wish I went to private school and had no idea about the 'real world', then I could be hated just a little more.

Biking catastrophe - but he is right.

See the links between the tory party and the private health companies who are being lined up to take over large parts of the NHS.

Cameron will save the day, he's a hero. Saving us all from the left. You'll understand one day.

Long live the Tories! hurrah! God Bless Maggie.

I took that as irony. 😳

Do you like Breakfast at Tiffanies? If so, that's one thing we've got.

two things camo16 - a SOH

Of course - who votes for them? You know, despite the almost constant squeeling on here, the UK has voted for a right-wing government since Thatcher got into power. I don't see any sign of that changing any time soon.

The conservatives have never had a majority of the electorate voting for them. And they certainly don't represent the UK, as their performances outside of middle England show.

Anyway, the broadcast was a clever bit of PR. It's what Cameron's good at.

Are the Tories OK after all?

no, don't be silly.

ransos - Member

"Of course - who votes for them? You know, despite the almost constant squeeling on here, the UK has voted for a right-wing government since Thatcher got into power. I don't see any sign of that changing any time soon."

The conservatives have never had a majority of the electorate voting for them. And they certainly don't represent the UK, as their performances outside of middle England show.

I think the phrase "right wing government" doesn't only apply to Conservatives, show me a Socialist manifesto and I'll show you a list of 'soon to be broken pledges'
We are a right of centre society, no argument, it's just which colour flag you want your leaders to wave 🙄

The conservatives have never had a majority of the electorate voting for them. And they certainly don't represent the UK

Thats probably a good thing, id hate to be labelled as part of this majority you lot keep mentioning.

But no he isn't TJ. A blanket statement that the Tories are solely in power to line their pockets, look after themselves and not actually give a toss about the country they are in is not really a statement rooted in truth or fact. However much you may hate them I think anyone with even a modicum of intelligence would understand that is not the case. Which is why I suspect he is, at the very least, exaggerating a bit. Or at least I hope he is.

And given the poor state the nations finances were in when this new lot came into power I am not surprised they keep referring to the mess they found and pinning the blame on the last government because that's who was to blame. Gordon Brown will forever be one of, if not the, worst chancellor we ever had. I don't see George Osborne as ever ranking as one of the best but so far he is still better than Gordon.

I think the phrase "right wing government" doesn't only apply to Conservatives, show me a Socialist manifesto and I'll show you a list of 'soon to be broken pledges'
We are a right of centre society, no argument, it's just which colour flag you want your leaders to wave

That depends where you think the centre lies, doesn't it? We're certainly more left wing that the US, for example.

I would agree however that it can be difficult to get a rizla between the policies of the main political parties.

Gordon Brown will forever be one of, if not the, worst chancellor we ever had.

i'm not a nu-lab fan. to me nu-lab and the tories are 2 cheeks of the same arsehole, but, if you think that you're going to be able to judge historical perspective 18 months after the events then you're as guilty of polemic dogma as those that you're pointing the finger at.

just an observation.

[s]The conservatives[/s] [b]No party[/b] have ever had a majority of the electorate voting for them. And they certainly don't represent the UK

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Biking catastrophe - you are an innocent.

Its exactly what they are there for.

The tory party exists to attempt to keep wealth and privilege in the hands of a small group. that's its reason to exist.

this lot are worse than many as the policies they are introducing are designed deliberatly to put money from the public purse into the hands of their backers.

as for the fatuous statement

And given the poor state the nations finances were in when this new lot came into power I am not surprised they keep referring to the mess they found and pinning the blame on the last government because that's who was to blame. Gordon Brown will forever be one of, if not the, worst chancellor we ever had.

You really have fallen for the propaganda havent you. 🙄

Osbourne is following policies that will make the economomy worse knowingly. He is doing this out of ideological hatred for the public sector. even some in his own party are now telling him the austerity measures are wrong.

But no he isn't TJ. A blanket statement that the Tories are solely in power to line their pockets, look after themselves and not actually give a toss about the country they are in is not really a statement rooted in truth or fact. However much you may hate them I think anyone with even a modicum of intelligence would understand that is not the case. Which is why I suspect he is, at the very least, exaggerating a bit. Or at least I hope he is.

And given the poor state the nations finances were in when this new lot came into power I am not surprised they keep referring to the mess they found and pinning the blame on the last government because that's who was to blame. Gordon Brown will forever be one of, if not the, worst chancellor we ever had. I don't see George Osborne as ever ranking as one of the best but so far he is still better than Gordon.

Hellelujah!
I thought I was alone in this mad house.
I love this guy.

FTFY

You haven't fixed anything, because I'm not arguing otherwise. It is however true to say that the combined liberal/ labour vote is greater than the conservative vote, and is also more than 50% of voters (most of the time). So it could be argued that the majority of voters want a centre/ left government, if you believe that those parties represent the centre and left.

Osbourne is following policies that will make the economomy worse knowingly. He is doing this out of ideological hatred for the public sector. even some in his own party are now telling him the austerity measures are wrong.

sorry, but you are possibly insane.

ideological hatred for the public sector

which is somehow so very different from the left's "ideological hatred for the private sector"....?

Is it an "ideological hatred" when you dont agree with it TJ, but a "manifesto pledge" when you do?

combined liberal/ labour vote is greater than the conservative vote

Aligning the labour and liberal vote is as spurious as aligning the conservative and labour vote.

Liberalism is as anathema to the left as progressive taxation is to the right.

which is somehow so very different from the left's "ideological hatred for the private sector"....?

Is it an "ideological hatred" when you dont agree with it TJ, but a "manifesto pledge" when you do?

Could you give me examples of successful private sector companies being nationalised?

Aligning the labour and liberal vote is as spurious as aligning the conservative and labour vote.

No it isn't, as the expressed views of many in the Lib Dems indicates. You also seem to forget who formed the SDP.

i donated £15 to the east african fund through DEC and didnt go to the pub last night

best use of 3mins of prime time tv, wont change my political/voting habits - in much the same way that no other PPB ever has

nationalisation is not the only tool that the left would use to suppress private enterprise now is it?

Taxation (NI, VAT leakage, Corporate, Transaction, Stamp Duty etc)
Restrictive employment legislation
Trade tariffs
Duty
Anti-dumping legislation
Registration and certification legislation
etc etc

I continue to be astounded by how much some people are taken in by the tory party.

Are yo really that naive? Have a look at the links between the tories and the American healthcare companies and then look at the proposals for the NHS. These are designed to allow the companies to cherry pick the bits of the NHS thjey can make profit from. The tories NHS reforms are designed to make profits for private companies.

As for the austerity cuts - anyone with half a brain knows this will and now clearly is making things worse. Its clearly obvious in the numbers. As its so obvious it is and will continue to make things worse the only possible explanation is that the tories want to destroy the public sector from Idewological hatred

remember Germany and france have bigger public sectors and higher taxation than the UK

Stoner - whats that fatuous comment all about? I am no supporter of the labour party. I do care about the truth and about the state of our country.

Taxation is a tool to supresse private enterprise as is employment legislation

Stupoid even for you Stoner.

No it isn't, as the expressed views of many in the Lib Dems indicates

exceptions do not prove the rule. There's as many liberals who are repelled by Labour as by Conservative. That's the idiocy of aligning them with right and left as they are neither, their ground is centrist but not common to both the other parties.

Taxation is a tool to supresse private enterprise as is employment legislation

Stupoid even for you Stoner.

[u]Relative scales[/u] of taxation and employment legislation TJ, not absolute existence or not.

Stupid even for you.

Stoner - whats that fatuous comment all about? I am no supporter of the labour party.

I beg your pardon then. How about: "ideological hatred" of the English instead?