The actions of both sides are reprehensible - I would not seek to support or justify the actions of either side (I would tend to agree with ro's comment above).
What Israel is doing is barbaric. I read with interest Robert Fisks' article however it is too one sided (albeit the side I am on!)
Fisk uses numbers to convey his message for example the number of people killed by Palestinian rockets is relativey small given the number killed in the last week by the Israeli army. He doesnt mention that often up to 80 rockets per day are fired into Israel and whilst many dont cause injury the effect must be terrifying.
fisk does not mention the number of rockets , bombs nor bullets fired by Israel he just mentions the casualties. Surely the most accurate method is DEATHS rather than shots fired?
I dont think things can be seperated from intent. The 80 rockets are fired with the intent of killing and maiming innocent (!) people in Israel. They are indiscriminate and are not aimed at soldiers, bases etc but into settlements.
The Isralis' would claim the deaths they are causing are colatoral damage and the intent is only to kill Hamas rebels.
This has gone on long enough, can you all get together for peace talks. If not can one of you take out all the others and finish the thread as you are being as effective as a bunch of politicians.
And, if you have no interest, why does this concern you, mt?
[i]then you're part of the problem, drj. for until you can see that neither side deserves one ounce of support from anyone, you'll add to the misery, not bring it to a just and final end.[/i]
But as you pointed out above, I'm just sitting talking, not doing, so I'm not adding to anyone's misery, thanks all the same.
Still the argument rages I see, about the use by Hamas, of home made wildly inaccurate rockets with a pathetically short range (approx 90 percent of Israelis live beyond their range)
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For over 40 years Israel has continuously acted illegally towards Gaza violating international law. Amongst the many things which it has done, it has unlawfully occupied the land. It has unlawfully withheld tax receipts. It has unlawfully imposed a blockade. It has violated the Geneva Convention.
The people of Gaza have a lawful right to fight the Israelis. This is a right which is recognised under international law.
To the people who criticise the Palestinians for using their home made Qassams rockets I ask you, how exactly would you suggest that the Palestinians fight the Israelis ? I ask this as a serious question.
And I'm sure that the Palestinians too, are dissatisfied with their Qassams rockets. In the last seven years up until the present Israeli onslaught, the Palestinians have only managed to kill 14 Israelis - probably more Israelis than that died from slipping on their bathroom floors. The Israelis on the other hand, have managed to kill approx 5,000 Palestinians during the same period.
The sad, tragic, truth, is that the problem [u]isn't[/u] that the Palestinians have been killing Israelis with their rockets, it's the opposite - they [u]haven't[/u] been killing Israelis.
Had the Palestinians managed to kill 5,000 Israelis in retaliation for their illegal blockade, who can honestly say that the Israelis wouldn't have lifted the blockade ?
Like all bullies and cowards (incl the world's greatest bully) the Israelis only pick up the small and the weak, they don't like to get hurt themselves. The 2006 incursion into Lebanon was deemed as a huge failure by the Israeli public [i]not only[/i] because Hezbollah was not smashed, but because the Israeli causalities were considered to be unacceptably high. 120 Israelis died in that conflict.
The Palestinians are being slaughtered in Gaza today [u]not[/u] because they have been killing Israelis, but precisely because they haven't been killing Israelis.
Is the genocide in Sudan still going?
500,000 dead and I don't remember anyone getting all excited about it.
Dead africans just aren't as cool as shmegahs and kalashnikovs. Maybe they need better PR?
He has a point.....
5thElefant - MemberIs the genocide in Sudan still going?
500,000 dead and I don't remember anyone getting all excited about it.
Dead africans just aren't as cool as shmegahs and kalashnikovs. Maybe they need better PR?
And I don't remember you posting any threads about it.
But I am aware of you repeatedly posting on this thread.
Why's that ❓
After all, according to you :
5thElefant - MemberDoes it really matter?
Foreigners murder each other all the time. Something to do with the heat.
**** me this is unreal!!!
Right you lot, if you really truly care **** off and set up the International Brigade of Suicide Mountain bikers, have affairs with fit Arab birds and then go off and herocially and pointlessly blow yourselves up somewhere without doing any damage to anyone else, or if you are that way persuaded get your knob sorted out with a BIC razor, and have an affair with some fit Jewess and then go off and pointlessy get yourself blown up by some foreign nutter on a mission to resolve the world problems by pointlessly blowing themselves up.....
In the meantime Tanky, great wind-up, but now verging on boring, Zokes, properly glad you've joined the ranks of the working classes, (not to be confused with the working class [singular], which you have yet to aspire to).... I'm up for a C2C reunion on a Martini basis.... i.e anytime anyplace anywhere.
Thinking about a trip West with my lot sometime soon (like two to three months), or alternatively can come alone with soft southern bedwetter ways to sink you ****ers with ale and bawdy tales, if you would prefer to handle just one of me between you!
Zokes, properly glad you've joined the ranks of the working classes, (not to be confused with the working class [singular], which you have yet to aspire to)
OI! I share a slate quarryman's cottage with a solid fuel stove in the middle of a welsh village halfway up a mountain where it rains all the time - surely that's aspiring to be working class 😉 (Obviously I share it with a person, not just the stove)
And I don't remember you posting any threads about it.
I wasn't implying I'm full of angst about it. I don't remember a 200,000 post thread about dead Africans though, which would be proportionate.
But I am aware of you repeatedly posting on this thread.Why's that
Yep. It's an interesting thread, full of passion from people who can't possibly have any reason to be passionate about it. Well worth giving them a poke to see if they know why they care about this in particular. It's certainly nothing to do with numbers of dead.
One thing, guys. If I were a Jew, and I'm not, I'd remember 5-or-so million of Jews dead in Poland during WW2. That means no matter how politically incorrect or how painful and immoral I'd be bombing the F out of anybody who even tries to attack. Grudges are bad but very powerful.
Or how about vaguely intellectual, or just wearing glasses (and Russian) - 20 million of whom sent to Siberia under Stalin just in case they had a vaguely seditious thought.
Perhaps there are evil ****s in all corners of the world?
Well worth giving them a poke to see if they know why they care about this in particular.
Yes I agree. The Palestinian/Zionist issue and the passions it arouses is an interesting one.
I think one of the reasons for this, is that we are officially told to support the wrong side.
Which is clearly always going to cause some problems.
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And of course unlike the Sudan, one side often speaks English with an American or Australian accent.
They also sometimes have light coloured hair.
Which makes the foreigners that are killing each other, somewhat more interesting.
Grudges are bad but very powerful
Your comment Hairychested, certainly applied to the Boers.
Brutely repressed by the British, thousands died of starvation and disease in the concentrations camps which the British invented especially to incarcerate them in.
Finally free from British oppression, the Boers/Afrikaans became the new oppressors. Using the full might of the Apartheid State, they subjugate the South African people in complete defiance of the whole world.
Of course the Apartheid State eventually collapsed, and it is no more. Even with some of the the most advanced weaponry in the world, including nuclear weapons, it was always going to be doomed.
As indeed is the Zionist State.
No idea if this has been posted in this thread
* Warning - the link contains some potentially upsetting footage *
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719
Epic fail from Hamas. Got to love the way they ignore the women and kids and try to save the clowns in uniform 😕
Oh goodie - the Lebanese have decided to use their pointy stick now too.
Cue them whinging when Israel retaliates.
nickc- thank you for that. Robert Fisk is brave with that piece. That is proper Journalism.
5thElefant - Totally agree. If your black and your country can't offer anything strategic or mineral then you are a second class Citizen.
Hairychested. You assume that the 5million agree that the murder of innocent women and children not linked to Nazism in anyway is 'in their name'?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3235155.stm
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1444033/Peace-activist-shot-by-Israelis-is-%27brain-dead%27.html
I wonder if there is a policy of shoot to kill on any Foreigners getting involved who may uncover anything that would give Israel a bad name?
Oh and just for the record, I am not anti-semitic. My thoughts on Islam though..
druidh - MemberOh goodie - the Lebanese have decided to use their pointy stick now too.
Cue them whinging when Israel retaliates.
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I don't know where you get your information from druidh, but as I understand it the Israelis are very much playing down the incident. The last thing the Israelis want right now is a confrontation with Hezbollah - an organisation which is much more heavily armed than Hamas and which they now fear.
The whole point of the Israeli government's pre-election stunt, was to attack Hamas because they knew it to be poorly armed and very weak.
I am also unaware of Hamas particularly "whinging". In fact I find the statements and military communiques issued by the Information Office of the Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades (the military wing of Hamas) to be factual and pretty unemotive, check them out for yourself :
[url= http://www.alqassam.ps/english/?action= ]Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades[/url]
On the other hand, the United Nations and the International Committee of the Red Cross have indeed been "whinging". Repeatedly whinging that Israel has been violating international law and the Geneva Convention.
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hora - MemberI wonder if there is a policy of shoot to kill on any Foreigners getting involved who may uncover anything that would give Israel a bad name?
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One of the things which Israel fears the most is the truth. That is why whilst some countries have journalists "embedded" with troops during military operations, Israel does the complete opposite and bars them, illegally, from Gaza. Israel simply does not want the war crimes which they know, will committed, covered.
Who can forget how the Israelis shelled and killed UN observers in Lebanon in 2006. Even though for many hours the UN was in communication with the Israelis informing them that they were shelling UN observers, the Israelis continued to shell until all the observers had been killed. The UN observers had almost certainly observed the Israelis targeting civilians. The Israelis claimed that the shelling was just a big mistake.
With reference to the link, the Israelis have a long record of shooting children. They also have a record of shooting journalists who film or take photographs of them killing children.
We in the West only see a sanitised version of what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. The people of other countries see quite different reports. Here is a news clip showing very young Palestinians children with small calibre bullet holes in the their bodies - there appears to be no other serious injuries.
[url] http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yFgtk-9tVK8 [/url]
Now I don't know the details behind that story, and the truth might not be as horrific as it would appear, but there can be no doubt the many members of the IDF have no respect for the lives of Palestinian children. Only today the Red Cross reported that Israeli soldiers had left for four days, wounded small children to starve to death next to the bodies of their parents. Something which was described as a war crime.
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But why would Israelis soldiers kill children when it does them so much harm in the eyes of the world ? Perhaps the Zionist upbringing which teaches them that they are "God's chosen people" fills them with so much hate towards Palestinians that they consider Palestinians to be sub-human. Perhaps when they enter areas with the specific task of killing Palestinians, they engage in such a killing frenzy that they lose all sense of what is right or wrong and fail to see a problem with shelling UN schools or UN relief convoys as they [i]undisputedly[/i] have in the last two days. Perhaps the Israeli airman and sailors who are bombing and shelling 1.5 million unarmed civilians, can only do so if they can convince themselves that they are sub-human.
Who knows ......
Just as an aside ..
Theres a large jewish comunity near to me, and a large muslim one.
Jewish leader... "we are praying for the victims.."
Muslim leader... "we are praying for the victims on both sides..."
ernie_lynch :
[b]...but as I understand it the Israelis are very much playing down the incident.[/b]
Eh? Playing down the incident? WTF! You mean they should let journalists broadcast their affairs? When is media, highly commercial, allowed to dictate the interpretation of war?
[b]"The last thing the Israelis want right now is a confrontation with Hezbollah ... which they now fear."[/b]
You mean everyone welcome death?
[b]"The whole point of the Israeli government's pre-election stunt, was to attack Hamas because they knew it to be poorly armed and very weak."[/b]
Crikey. A pre-election campaign ... so does that mean because they are weak they have the rights to fire home made "fireworks" towards their neighbour?
[b]"Information Office of the Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades (the military wing of Hamas) to be factual and pretty unemotive ..."[/b]
I think North Korean is far more factual with their Dear Leader being the living god.
[b]"On the other hand, the United Nations and the International Committee of the Red Cross have indeed been "whinging"."[/b]
Eh? So they should go in with their guns blazing instead? They are supposed to whine as that is their role in war.
[b]"One of the things which Israel fears the most is the truth."[/b]
Now this is beginning to sound like "the god will strike down upon thy with all his/her might". The basic truth is very simple, you shoot as many of your enemies as possible until their succumb to your will which is applicable to both sides. Ya, truth. The truth is that striking the Europe Million jackpot is much harder than Lotto.
[b]"Who can forget how the Israelis shelled and killed UN observers in Lebanon in 2006."[/b]
Yes, the UN observers should have a TV remote to press the "pause" button to stop the shelling before they went in.
[b]"With reference to the link, the Israelis have a long record of shooting children. ... Here is a news clip showing very young Palestinians children with small calibre bullet holes in the their bodies - there appears to be no other serious injuries."[/b]
Who keeps the record?
The death of children is tragic but how do they know they were killed by the Israelis?
[b]"Only today the Red Cross reported that Israeli soldiers had left for four days, wounded small children to starve to death next to the bodies of their parents."[/b]
Perhaps the Israeli soldiers were too busy fighting? Or perhaps it was a no go area due to fighting for the past four days?
[b]"But why would Israelis soldiers kill children when it does them so much harm in the eyes of the world ?"[/b]
North Koreans' eyes? China's eyes? Whose eyes of the world exactly do you represent?
[b]"Perhaps the Zionist upbringing which teaches them that they are "God's chosen people" fills them with so much hate towards Palestinians that they consider Palestinians to be sub-human.[/b]
Eh!? Stone him! You mean there is another god?
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[i]The death of children is tragic but how do they know they were killed by the Israelis?[i/]
There are Israelis (and Jews) against what is happening to the Palestinians. Some speak out but many don't just like in Germany..
If 7/7 didnt happen how would the UK feel about what is happening now? In a way we are all complicit in Israels actions.
Once the 'Refugees' are removed from Gaza then 'everyone' will be happy.
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7819492.stm ]Israeli forces shelled a house in the Gaza Strip which they had moved around 110 Palestinians into 24 hours earlier, the UN quotes witnesses as saying. [/url]
I wonder if the house had some nice capacious shower rooms? Perhaps a few bunk beds. Who knows, maybe even a little sign over the gate saying something like "Work will set you free".............................................
[i]"Three children, the youngest of whom was five months old, died upon arrival at the hospital," the report said.[/i]
O.K. so reports are reports but you can not use brute force on a civilian population to eradicate terrorists.
And before everyone gets on their high horse saying 'well what is the solution?' The solution is not simple. The solution is to create a wealthy Gaza strip - Poverty and terrorism are normal bedfellows, by long term investment in Gaza by Israel as apossed to isolating itself from all states on it's borders, is the only solution. In the short term this will not stop Hamas. This is a long term strategy of rebuilding infrastructure and lives. Don't get me wrong I hate terrorism and with good reason. But the issue remains that dealing with the root causes of terrorism is the best way to eradicate it.
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Thank you for your response chewkw. I always find the complete bollox which supporters of racist Zionists spout fascinating, in much the same way as I found the bollox spouted by racist supporters of the Apartheid State intriguing.
The ability to stand truth on it's head is truly impressive. Of course we all know that it is important that a lie should be quote :
[i][b]"so 'colossal' that no one would believe that someone could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously"[/b][/i] - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.
A [i]minor[/i] example of this was when after shelling a UN school, the Israelis not content with lying about the presence of resistance fighters at the school, expanded on the lie by releasing what they claimed to be the names of the two dead Hamas fighters. The UN dismissed this as absurd as the Israelis had not even visited the site, nor they claimed, did the Israelis keep records of Palestinian casualties.
Let's wade through some of your lies chewkw .....
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...but as I understand it the Israelis are very much playing down the incident.Eh? Playing down the incident? WTF! You mean they should let journalists broadcast their affairs? When is media, highly commercial, allowed to dictate the interpretation of war?
The claim that the Israelis were playing down the incident was made by the BBC World Service. The BBC World Service is neither 'highly commercial' nor does it have a reputation of misinterpreting comments made by the Israeli government. The Israelis are not noted for 'playing down incidents' on the contrary, they are noted for 'playing up incidents' in an attempt to justify their invariably disproportionate responses.
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"The last thing the Israelis want right now is a confrontation with Hezbollah ... which they now fear."You mean everyone welcome death?
I mean that Israel targeted Gaza because the risks to themselves were negligible. Gaza essentially represents 1.5 million unarmed refugees, had they been able to fight back as Hezbollah would have done, they would not have been attacked - especially just before an election.
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"The whole point of the Israeli government's pre-election stunt, was to attack Hamas because they knew it to be poorly armed and very weak."Crikey. A pre-election campaign ... so does that mean because they are weak they have the rights to fire home made "fireworks" towards their neighbour?
The ceasefire was broken by Israel on the 4th November, not by Hamas. Hamas has a good record of complying with ceasefires. The ceasefire was due to expire on the 19th of December anyway, so Israel could have waited until then to resume hostilities. However, Israel needed to escalate the situation so that the onslaught on Gaza could be well under way before their elections next month and before the new US president took office. The Christmas break was also useful because many of the world's governments would be on holiday and unable to meet to condemn Israel. The 4th of November was chosen because on that day all of the world's eyes were on the US presidential elections.
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"On the other hand, the United Nations and the International Committee of the Red Cross have indeed been "whinging"."Eh? So they should go in with their guns blazing instead? They are supposed to whine as that is their role in war.
It is [u]not[/u] the role of the International Committee of the Red Cross to "whine". [u]On the contrary[/u] it is the role of the Red Cross to remain neutral, say nothing, and just provide humanitarian aid in conflict zones. I don't think I can ever recall the Red Cross condemning the actions of one government as much as they have condemned the Israelis.
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"Who can forget how the Israelis shelled and killed UN observers in Lebanon in 2006."Yes, the UN observers should have a TV remote to press the "pause" button to stop the shelling before they went in.
I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about - and I suspect that you don't either. How about finding out the facts before making moronic statements ? From The Times :
[url= http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article693450.ece ]UN observers begged Israelis to stop shelling their position[/url]
[b]" UN monitors made ten phone calls to military commanders before the air strike that killed four of them" [/b]
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"Only today the Red Cross reported that Israeli soldiers had left for four days, wounded small children to starve to death next to the bodies of their parents."Perhaps the Israeli soldiers were too busy fighting? Or perhaps it was a no go area due to fighting for the past four days?
There's no "perhaps" anything. The Israelis refused to allow Red Cross ambulances access.
[url= http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/world/middleeast/09redcross.html?partner=rss&emc=rss ]In an unusually blunt criticism, the Geneva-based International Committee of the Red Cross said it had been seeking access to shell-damaged areas in Zeitoun in the east of Gaza City since Saturday but the Israeli authorities granted permission only on Wednesday[/url]
Of course perhaps in your fantasy world chewkw, the Red Cross are all liars and the Israelis are just deeply misunderstood.
I reckon you must inhabit an alternative universe similar to the one inhabited by those who claim that the Nazis never did all those horrible things to the Jews.
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its not worth arguing with chewkw, even if he personally witnessed an Israeli soldier massacring children, he would see it at the terrorists spawn flung themselves onto the heroic soldier bullets in an act of aggression.
If a bunch of chavs keep taunting and chucking stones at a lion and then it finally turns on them, is that the lion's fault?
Neighbourhood bully in the words of Bob Dylan.
ernie_lynch
"I always find the complete bollox which supporters of racist Zionists spout [b]fascinating[/b], in much the same way as I found the bollox spouted by racist supporters of the Apartheid State intriguing."
Yes, fascinating & intriguing for me too to think that people try to find moral in wars. i.e. to kill discriminately. When is war without civilian death?
"The BBC World Service is neither 'highly commercial' nor does it have a reputation of misinterpreting comments made by the Israeli government. The Israelis are not noted for 'playing down incidents' on the contrary, they are noted for 'playing up incidents' in an attempt to justify their invariably disproportionate responses."
BBC world service unbiased? Tell that to the Russian and again it your view. Which nation in war does not "play down incidents"? I bet all of them will claim to be the victim or hard done by.
"I mean that Israel targeted Gaza because the risks to themselves were negligible. Gaza essentially represents 1.5 million unarmed refugees, had they been able to fight back as Hezbollah would have done, they would not have been attacked - especially just before an election."
You do not enter a war if you cannot win. Unarmed? Are you blind? Watch BBC lately? No guns in Gaza? I bet AK-47 is the bet seller there.
"The ceasefire was broken by Israel on the 4th November, not by Hamas. Hamas has a good record of complying with ceasefires."
Both sides claim the other broken the ceasefire. Hmmm ... interesting.
"On the contrary it is the role of the Red Cross to remain neutral, say nothing, and just provide humanitarian aid in conflict zones."
Then why the hell did they speak out on BBC last night? Don't they know they are supposed to pick up human bits & pieces when they enter the war zone? Are you saying the standard of war has deteriorated to the point even Red Cross [b](actually moon not cross because cross means Christians coming to help them)[/b] has to comment on the gruesome reality of death?
" I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about - and I suspect that you don't either. How about finding out the facts before making moronic statements ? ... " UN monitors made ten phone calls to military commanders before the air strike that killed four of them"
Why on earth do they have to be there in the first place? Monitor the war? Are you saying they are the referee in war? Oh ya, the UN should send them to monitor the Taliban too.
"The Israelis refused to allow Red Cross ambulances access."
Okay, Red Cross were refused so are you saying the military should listen to their request?
"Of course perhaps in your fantasy world chewkw, the Red Cross are all liars and the Israelis are just deeply misunderstood."
In my fantasy world they are all secret lovers.
richc:
"its not worth arguing with chewkw, even if he personally witnessed an Israeli soldier massacring children, he would see it at the terrorists spawn flung themselves onto the heroic soldier bullets in an act of aggression.
Honestly, I did not witness with my own eyes on all the death except from TV as I sit in the comfy of my lounge.
My question to you, did you see that with your own eyes in the killing fields? You mean you were there? Or do you sit, just like me, in the comfy lounge watching it on TV?
You guys do have a twisted mind you know. Wish I could be as good as you.
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ernie_lynch - MemberThank you for your response chewkw. I always find the complete bollox which supporters of racist Zionists spout fascinating......
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I am now finding your responses rather tedious and boring.
my point was hypothetical chewkw, which I thought was obvious, mind you with your ability to miss the point and misinterpret reality it doesn't surprise me that you couldn't work that out.
On the old forum Chewkw was just another of Hora's alternate logins..... is someone else using it now or has Hora developed a split personality and started arguing with himself? Bizarre.
I am fairly certain they are different people, Hora might be a prat, but he isn't a xenophobic facist prat.
The one thing I have leant from this thread is, just how different Hora is to the person which I had perceived him to be. Going by his previously offensive comments about Muslims, I have been quite frankly stunned by his fair, sensible, and humane comments, on this thread.
Live and learn, eh ?
Yup, even for this form, chewkw has managed to exibit a bewildering level of stupidity. I'd had thought that level of sticking your head in the sand (or up their own rear end) could result in a serious neck injury!
Chewkw - War, any war is wrong. I'm not opposed to a good scrap myself but is it not always the case that the 'first casualty of war is innocence' the issue as I continually repeat is that Israel is simply making things worse through the amount of force excerted. To ignore a UN mandate is totally wrong of Hamas, but for a pseudo civilised nation it's abhorent.
This is not the end this is only the beginning, those idiots seem hell bent on setting the Middle East alight and leaving us to pick up the pieces.
When I watch the news I find myself longing for someone to fight back against Israel.
Not only their aggression, but their arrogance in the aftermath will hopefully bring down on it the retaliation it deserves.
The UN should start holding back on Iranian nuclear inspections.
Papa, no offence but you should live in Israel for a while before making such a statement. If you don't remember it read up about the 6 day war.
[b]Why are you lot bothering with this? It's done to death. Nobodys going to bring anyone round.[/b] Most of you are talking nonsense anyway, with some sort of pretence that you are really well informed. Most of you havn't spent any time in the region, don't know much history and like having an argument on the internet, after reading a couple of articles in publications of various note. I can't believe theres been 265 posts on this or so, why you all wasting your breath?
colnagokid - MemberJust as an aside ..
Theres a large jewish comunity near to me, and a large muslim one.
Jewish leader... "we are praying for the victims.."
Muslim leader... "we are praying for the victims on both sides..."
What a silly silly thing to post.
Why dont you lot all shut the **** up. Are the Israelis the new Nazis? No. I think its a distasteful comparison.
I agree Joe
Papa_Lazarou - MemberWhen I watch the news I find myself longing for someone to fight back against Israel.
Not only their aggression, but their arrogance in the aftermath will hopefully bring down on it the retaliation it deserves.
The UN should start holding back on Iranian nuclear inspections.
Another fantastically stupid post. I'm amazed. What a naive, stupid, ignorant, exceptionally poor taste post. It's ill informed, its ridiculous.
[i]Why dont you lot all shut the **** up. Are the Israelis the new Nazis? No. I think its a distasteful comparison.[/i]
It may be distasteful, but the actions of the Israelis invite it upon themselves by their brutality. They themselves cheapen the memory of the Holocaust by using it as a pretext for every vile abuse of the weak and frightened people that they are so happy to dominate.
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If it's the opinions of the people in the region which count tyger, we best start listening to what the Palestinians have say.
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Or isn't that what you meant ?
