@Curious people are already queuing, have been since he announcement. I read Apple are introducing a new digital line ticket so you know your place in the queue without having to camp out on the street.
many of those camping (even before the announcements) are actually paid to camp by various media etc. organisations. not sure they'd all get quite the same exposure if it were a digital queue.
64 gb ordered
was going to find a good 64gb 5s, but they are still fetching good money, so rather get the 6
waiting to see when lifeproof cases get their case sorted for the 6
Ordered a 128Gb six via O2 upgrades earlier. Showing delivery at the moment for next week.
dragon - Member
18-karat gold that our metallurgists have developed to be up to twice as hard as standard gold.
Pure marketing bullsh*t, what is 'standard' gold, do they mean pure if so then 18 carat could easily be harder if alloyed properly.
'Standard gold' is 9ct. There is 11, but that's continental, IIRC, and 18 is too soft for everyday use. Pure is 24.
If you want to see just how complicated this subject is, try wading through this lot...
https://standardsdevelopment.bsigroup.com/Home/Committee/50001489
http://www.jewelry.com/education-goldkarat.shtml
http://www.jewellerycatalogue.co.uk/gold_jewellery2/gold_alloys.php
Unless you're a trained metallurgist, or a goldsmith, and you have detailed knowledge of what it is Apple have done regarding the gold alloy they're using, I'd avoid using terms like 'marketing bullshit': Apple are very good at finding people who do obscure work on esoteric materials, I'm just disappointed LiquidMetal hasn't been used in the iPhone or Watch frame and case; that's some [i]very[/i] exotic alloy work going on there!
Tariff comparison table.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/iphone/11091740/iPhone-6-tariff-comparison-table.html
Hmmm...
All the karat value tells you is how much gold is present it gives no guide to hardness as that depends on what you alloy it with and other factors. So it is marketing rubbish.
So it is marketing rubbish.
Of course it is, it's Apple.
dragon - Member
All the karat value tells you is how much gold is present it gives no guide to hardness as that depends on what you alloy it with and other factors. So it is marketing rubbish.
Hardness in gold is quantifiable and measurable, with an internationally recognised set of figures. Advertising a knife as having a Rockwell Hardness figure of such-and-such isn't marketing rubbish, it's a figure that can be compared to other makes.
The same goes for this, sure, the Karat/Carat figure is specifically referring to the percentage of gold in the alloy, but it's the other metals used that will profoundly affect the hardness of the finished item. This is precisely why you'll very rarely see certain colours of gold used in decorative jewellery, because they're too hard to work easily, they lack the ductibility and malleability of 'standard' 9/10/11/14/18ct gold. White French gold is very springy, useful for certain fine work but not good for rings or stone mounts. Blue and purple gold are hardly ever seen, because the other metals in the alloy make them far too hard to work easily; blue uses iron, and purple uses aluminium!
A watch case is a smooth, single piece of injection or cast metal, and the harder it can be made, reducing scratching and denting the better, but the colour needs to be kept, so if Apple have spent money developing a yellow, 18ct gold, with a much harder, less easily marked structure, that's a good thing that will enhance the long-term value.
It may well be marketing, but it's certainly not rubbish; plenty of other watch manufacturers are going to be very keenly interested in what Apple have developed.
I would never consider a gold cased watch, I have a stainless steel watch that's forty-odd years old, and the case was very battered through general use, a gold one would look really crap.
I've managed to polish most of the marks out now, but some were surprisingly deep, and that's on steel.
Does one need a larger data package with 4G than with 3G?
wallop - Member
Does one need a larger data package with 4G than with 3G?
No, but yes, but no, but yes
Strictly speaking no, however I am worried that having super fast 4G will be addictive and just guzzle data
Im currently using 100MB per hour to stream Spotify on 3G on its mid quality setting
If I had 4G (I dont) it would be ramped up to the max and on all day
And then theres video etc etc etc
I dont really bother with phone vids on 3G but at a million times the speed and quality Id expect this to change too
Not to mention all the ads on this site 🙂
Imagine you went from a Ford Fiesta to Ferrari but only had the same amount of petrol?
Not sure thats a good analogy, but anyway..................
I understand. Just trying to decide whether to get 2GB or 5GB!
Edit - thanks for the good explanation!
Just ordered a 6 in silver/white 4g contract with 10gig of data for £42 per month and no upfront payment. Only compromise is that it's 16gig, but with cloud and the addition of free spotify it should be alright.
I'd promised myself I wouldn't be such a sheep this time, but I'm weak.
A day late and a dollar short as usual, only just ordered and 3-4 weeks for delivery (no student discounts on phones so I could have ordered Friday) 😥
Apple has sold 4 million already, double the amount for the launch of the 5 which was prior best seller on release.
@bol that contract seems pretty good.
iOS 8 is released shortly. For those who use iCloud to sync between applications on the iPhone and Mac, this might be worth a read.
Apple are proper iDiots sometimes.
Oh dear that's a bit rubbish.
You'd think they'd know which Apple IDs and iClouds sync with Macs and be able to warn people when they try to download the update. Or even just make it backward compatible (really - how hard can it be? It's just syncing files FFS. DropBox manage it across multiple platforms just fine)
We've been told at Work not to upgrade to iOS8 yet.. They're a biT worriEd by iT.
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Bit more info on TUAW.
http://www.tuaw.com/2014/09/16/be-aware-be-careful-be-prepared-for-icloud-drive/
Amazing Apple aren't saying nuffin....but then they do sometimes adopt the finger in the ears, and going la-la-la-la, approach to this sort of thing.
iCloud is still massively overpriced compared to Dropbox etc.....
iCloud is still massively overpriced compared to Dropbox etc.....
[s]They have dropped the price recently, not sure if it's any good, tho.
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Edit: Nope. Still £15 vs £8 for 1TB a month.
Does anyone know when iOS8 will be issued? Thought it was today...
Today around 6pm for the UK
EDIT: expect to actually get the update sometime around midnight tonight judging by previous years.
Thanks muggomagic.
Embargo must have been lifted:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/16/6155009/apple-iphone-6-plus-review
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/16/6154975/iphone-6-review
However, if anyone fancies having any goodwill to Apple products sucked out of them due a cracking display of sycophancy, then wrap yer eyeballs round this:
Guardian has various reviews also .. here is Stephen Fry's
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/17/-sp-stephen-fry-iphone-6-verdict-most-exquisite-mobile-ever-made ]The most exquisite mobile ever made[/url]
Have you seen Stephens Fry's review though?
[quote=GrahamS ]Have you seen Stephens Fry's review though?
it was less of a review and more an ode.
No yet, but may I just point out that Stephen Fry has a review as well?
Did you edit your post, I only saw the verge one (lame attempt to restore credibility)
I could edit mine and post a different Guardian link but that would only be digging myself a deeper hole 😳
Did you edit your post,
15 minute edit window sez no.
Anyway, has anyone seen the Stephen Fry review?
Is there a clutching at straws app ? Could be a good game title ...
Anyway, has anyone seen the Stephen Fry review?
I got as far as this bit:
“We wanted to wait until we had the best smartphone multitasking system in the world,” Steve Jobs said on unveiling the iOS 4 operating system in 2010, and no one can doubt his team achieved that goal.
And decided he might be a bit biased.
Actually [i]from a technical point of view[/i] I reckon that's about right.
In terms of battery and resource use and overall performance the Apple model of controlled multi-tasking makes more sense. But it may not be what the consumer public want.
Isn't that at odds with the normal Apple definition of "Best" which is that it's the most intuitive to use?
Looking forward to iOS8 so I an use all my battery life trying to work out which apps are using all my battery !
This will be the first iOS version I wont be able to install on launch.
Ah well...
Isn't that at odds with the normal Apple definition of "Best" which is that it's the most intuitive to use?
Not really - in this instance they decided that expecting people to go into a task manager and shut down background processes to get demanding games to run properly was less intuitive than just limiting what apps were allowed to do in the background.
At the [url= http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/jobs-if-you-see-a-stylus-or-a-task-manager-they-blew-it/ ]iOS 4 launch[/url] they famously said:
Q: How do you close applications when multitasking?
A: (Scott Forstall) You don't have to. The user just uses things and doesn't ever have to worry about it.
A: (Steve Jobs) It's like we said on the iPad, if you see a stylus, they blew it. In multitasking, if you see a task manager... they blew it. Users shouldn't ever have to think about it.
Not sure it quite worked out like that, but it was a good theory.
This will be the first iOS version I wont be able to install.Ah well...
For the 1st time it will be an iOS that I won't be updating until the fuss has died down.
I was really disappointed with iOS 8. I used the betas on my iPhone 5 and ipad and there really isn't that much to get excited about.
I think battery stats are a waste of time in iOS as apps don't really run in the background like they do with android, so I already know what has been draining the battery, the widgets (if you can call them that) are a half arsed attempt, it's just as quick for me to look at the weather app and get more detail than it is to swipe down and get the current weather. Quick response was the only change that was of any use, but it's limited to certain apps, so if you like using the gmail app for your email for example you can't use that to quick reply as you can only use the in built iOS app.
The new phones look great, but iOS 8 is a bit of a let down.
the widgets (if you can call them that) are a half arsed attempt,
Sounds like Dashboard for OSX all over again...
I think battery stats are a waste of time in iOS as apps don't really run in the background like they do with android, so I already know what has been draining the battery, the widgets (if you can call them that) are a half arsed attempt, it's just as quick for me to look at the weather app and get more detail than it is to swipe down and get the current weather.
Think they're a waste of time in Android too, other than satisfying the inner geek.
iOS users usually point the finger at Android apps and widgets draining battery (or probably did, back before iOS widgets, and the very early iOS before multitasking).
It's really not the apps and widgets that use power.
Well not unless you call 2% power usage "eating power", and that's the interactive app usage - background services and widgets don't even register on the powermeter. Screen, WiFi, etc. are the power users.
edit: but it does show up the occasional power hungry rogue app (wtf is Foursquare up to?)
Battery stats are useful in android as some apps (poorly designed ones) can keep the Phone awake which causes the battery to drain quicker. The past couple of weeks I've noticed that the sky go app has been keeping my phone awake and causing it to use 10-15% of the battery when all I did was watch 5-10 mins of the cricket then came out of the app. Now I know until sky update the app to force close it when I've finished using it.
Not sure it quite worked out like that
Given that the multi tasking system on modern iOS is almost identical (User facing anyway which is all I care about) to the one in WebOS which is a multitasking system they were poking fun at at the time I'd say it didn't work out like that. But that is of course my opinion, which is why Steven's statement of "no one can doubt..." is a load of cobblers.
but iOS 8 is a bit of a let down.
I thought all the cool bits in iOS8 were to do with the MacOS connectivity, answering calls and replying to SMS messages and so on from your Mac?
I don't think that's just an iOS user viewpoint andy.
A quick google suggests the same advice appearing on Android forums
(e.g. [url= http://androidandme.com/thread/widgets-do-you-use-them/ ]"Widgets Do You Use Them"? on AndroidAndMe.com[/url], top answer: "I try to stay away from widgets. They use up to much battery.")
Best not use the screen then 😉
Maybe login via ssh. Should save more power than every single app and widget combined (apart from a rogue, greedy app).
A quick google suggests the same advice appearing on Android forums
Generally use them all the time, hardly touches the battery compared to a bunch of other apps. Weather, clocks, calendar, world clocks etc.
I have turned off almost all my background app updates, cannot see the point except for things like endomondo.
Given that the multi tasking system on modern iOS is almost identical (User facing anyway which is all I care about) to the one in WebOS
Is it?
I haven't looked at the details of either for a while, but there certainly used to be a difference. Have Google moved away from "true multi-tasking" towards the Apple model? Or does iOS8 move more towards Googles model?
more importantly. I've just 'chatted' with a O2 rep who's told me my shiny new phone is 'preparing for dispatch'
hardly touches the battery compared to a bunch of other apps. Weather, clocks, calendar, world clocks etc.
Yeah if any of those hit the battery to any noticeable degree then something would be very seriously wrong with their design.
But I'd imagine widgets like Twitter, Facebook, FriendStream, FourSquare etc that are constantly hitting the network or GPS must eat a fair bit of battery (and data allowance). no?
@jam bo - boo hiss. I did get an email to say I would get my case and spare usb cable soon 😥
[quote=jambalaya ]@jam bo - boo hiss. I did get an email to say I would get my case and spare usb cable soon
not sure I believe them. The one I spoke to yesterday told me it'd be 2-3 weeks and today's couldn't actually confirm how long preparing for dispatch would actually take...
Anyone use SiRi?
i played around when i fiRst had the 5s, but got bored wiThiN 7miNs.. 😆
Anyone use SiRi?
Not much. I use it for sending text messages sometimes. Quite handy to just say [i]"tell MrsGrahamS I'm leaving now"[/i] or whatever when I'm on the bike for example.
Me: Siri
Siri: Yes?
Me: PuNch bIkEbUoY iN tHe cOck.
😯
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But I'd imagine widgets like Twitter, Facebook, FriendStream, FourSquare etc that are constantly hitting the network or GPS must eat a fair bit of battery (and data allowance). no?
Twitter doesn't. Must be sub 2%. Android battery app seems to round up to integer % and only display so many entries (mine shows 102% if you add it all up). So there's a lot of widgets/apps that I'd imagine do background network checking things that are in the region of rounding errors of percent.
Foursquare needs a kick. Will be filing a comment/bug on that.
Yahoo is my greediest "acceptable" app, at a whopping 2%.
Is it?I haven't looked at the details of either for a while, but there certainly used to be a difference. Have Google moved away from "true multi-tasking" towards the Apple model? Or does iOS8 move more towards Googles model?
I think we have misunderstood each other somewhere.
I'm referring to how the multitasking works for a user, as in how the user interacts with multiple apps doing things like closing, switching between them, and the fact that apps have some way of talking to each other. IMO as a user and not developer these are things that matter when defining which is best.
Also, I was referring to WebOS, not Android. WebOS being a project which was still alive at the time but has since unfortunately fallen in to the mobile OS history books thanks to HP.
AFAIK, all mobile operating systems are much of a muchness now in terms of multi tasking and have copied the "card" system from WebOS where cards show a live preview of what was on the app, and you can swipe some way to close them. At the time iOS introduced multitasking though, your app was just an icon in a list, and to close it you had to long press on it and tap a little cross in the corner of the icon. Which from a user viewpoint was pretty clunky, and far from the best.
I'm sure there are still differences in terms of how notifications and background processes are handled by the OS but practically speaking as long as one app can send something to another app through some way I don't see how it makes any difference to the user.
Anyway I didn't want to start a multitasking debate - just picked the first obviously false statement in Steven's "review".
I use it whenever I remember it exists (which isn't that often!) AND I have 3G/Wifi. It does make some tasks way easier/quicker though, like sending a short text message or putting something in your diary.Anyone use SiRi?
I think voice-recognition is still regarded as a bit of a novelty by most, but it actually works really well now and makes a lot more sense for certain tasks than sodding around with tiny buttons on a screen. I would definitely use it a lot more if I had 4G!
i'Ve just bought iCreate Mag.. No, no, no i Have, hear me out..
iN iT there are lots of tiPs to help turn off hungry power sappiNg Apps, bug fiXes, MAC help and normal stuff liKe help wiTh iPhoto and the liKe..
Pretty good so far..
So far i'Ve managed to turn off "AiR Drop" (stiLl i now know what iT does, Yay!)
😛
Oh and i triEd SiRi, asked iT to send MrsBouy a text to put the kettle on.. no response as yet, but suspect iT's MrsBouy beiNg snooty rather than SiRi.. 😀
Foxconn are turning out 400,000 iPhone 6's and 140,000 6 plus a day and its still not enough ! [url= http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/17/foxconn-iphone-6-shortage/ ]link[/url]
Assuming $100 profit on every phone (probably too low) that's $54m a day or a billion dollars profit in a month for Apple 😯 What a business, respect !
[quote=jambalaya ]Foxconn are turning out 400,000 iPhone 6's and 140,000 6 plus a day and its still not enough ! link
Assuming $100 profit on every phone (probably too low) that's $54m a day or a billion dollars profit in a month for Apple What a business, respect !
that's because everyone wants one NOW. demand will tail off.
I've yet to buy my first CD player, so it might be a while before i invest in Apple tat.
I've yet to buy my first CD player, so it might be a while before i invest in Apple tat.
Nice contribution to the thread there.
@jam bo no I get that it's as its new and there will be a tail off but the 6/6+ demand is double the launch demand for the 5 and its a billion dollars (my guess) profit in a month
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28434334 ]Apple profits[/url]
Yes they make quite a lot of money.
I've yet to buy my first CD player, so it might be a while before i invest in Apple tat.
Ok. We get it, [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/does-buying-stuff-enhance-your-life ]you haven't got a CD player.[/url]
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8 and iTs rather niC
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QuiTe liKee the look and feel so far, more iNf
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So far, no bugs 😆
8 hour download time. 😯
says i need 4.6gb of space 😆 killing off the 16gb right there
says i need 4.6gb of space killing off the 16gb right there
Just while it installs.
ahhhh i was wondering how the hell it took up, 4.6gb, i mean, windows 95 came on 13 floppy discs
Quick question- The Mrs has a 4s, today she commented that unusually it had blown through the battery in less than 12 hours, could this update be the cause?
In the download queue, maybe tomorrow? I'm sure as an early adopter it will be 100% bug free and I'll be delighted...
Quick question- The Mrs has a 4s, today she commented that unusually it had blown through the battery in less than 12 hours, could this update be the cause?
It wasn't released until this evening so no.