Most Android phones default to saving on the phone don't they? So the card only comes into it if you put one in and then start wanting to do things with it..?
Windows updates aren't something you have to do to maintain - they happen automatically too.
Yep - and then they automatically reboot my machine to install them 👿
Just popping out to lunch for twenty minutes. I'll leave the PC on...
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Gee thanks Microsoft.
As for manually updating other software - a) that doesn't happen to me and b) how's that MS's fault?
a) so you don't get constant updates for third-party things like browsers, flash, Adobe Reader, Java, photoshop etc etc?
b) well, for example, the OS could provide a centralised way for all applications to get their updates from an approved source and then silently apply them, as iOS (and I assume Android) does.
I'd also add - but I can and do drag and drop (all kinds of) files into my iOS device. I just use iTunes to do so rather than a file manager. Just a different bit of software.
And in fact, for the ubuntu fans out there you can just plug in an iOS device and access it via the file manager, and drag and drop etc.
And it's not necessarily better in Android. E.g. to use an example I'm familiar with, plug in an HTC One...no drag and drop there.
Mostly I just sync via the cloud though, and don't drag and drop at all.
Yep, used to love sodding around with computers when I was younger and would happily spend hours (or days!) trying to solve a problem. Now I can't be arsed; time is more precious and I'd rather be riding my bike anyway.Last thing I want to do is have to fiddle with my home pc or phone or TV streamer.
Plus by recommending Apple stuff to everyone I have cut my "tech support" role to virtually nothing except the odd problem that can usually be resolved in seconds. (I always recommend people stick to Mountain Lion or even Snow Leopard and iOS 7 for right now unless they really need some new feature though - agree that the latest software releases have been a huge **** up).
GrahamS - MemberNot too many years ago Android discussion threads were dominated by people discussing custom rom images, task managers, multi-threading etc. You don't see that nearly as much now, except in geeky forums, and that's probably a good thing.
But as for Windows: it has got better but did your Windows boxes really "Just Work"?
Or are you ignoring stuff like installing anti-virus/malware software, weekly Windows updates, constantly needing to manually update your other software, and assorted fiddling with things to get them right?
Your comment about previous Android geekiness....
This has always been stuff that you COULD do or talk about but DIDN'T HAVE TO DO. Apart from knowing that a custom ROM can be put on my Android phone, I don't really know what advantage it would bring, how to do it or why I would want to do it. But my devices still work fine.
Task managers - erm, nope. Never used one of those; doesn't Android do all that itself? Not an an issue for the 4 phones/2 tablets I have had use of.
Multi-threading - again. Nope. Dunno what that is and how it affects Android.....? Do I need to?
Sounds like 'Max Power' type stuff.
You don't have to know about remaps/K&N filters/custom stainless exhausts/high lift cams etc. for your car to function - but if you want to be a car geek and get into all that, then go ahead.
With regards to the Windows stuff....
anti-virus; stick a disc in or download something and click install. Same for malware etc. Even my parents managed this on their own.
Windows updates - you don't have to do anything. It just downloads stuff and installs it. You can schedule it for a convenient time, or get it to tell you when a download is available and then prompt it to download when you are ready, rather than having it download automatically.
I've always just left it to do what it wants.
manually update other software - the only thing I can think of that required manually updating was CrapCleaner. But I chose to install that and it's freeware. So, them sending me an e-mail and saying 'a new version is available' and me pressing the download button is hardly difficult. And you don't NEED that software, I just like to use it.
Fiddling with things to get them right....I had to fiddle with our router settings once, as they just disappeared for some reason. Took about 10mins to get working again.
My new 27" all singing, all dancing iMac is great to use. Best one I've had so far and no software glitches in the 6 months or so I've been using it. Still using an iPhone 3GS that's now over 5 years old and still works just fine. Keep thinking of upgrading it, but it does everything a phone needs to do. My wife has an iPhone 4 which is nowhere near as robust, but it still works after 3 years even though the glass back has shattered and it got dropped in the shower once.
So no loss of Apple love in our house.
a) so you don't get constant updates for third-party things like browsers, flash, Adobe Reader, Java, photoshop etc etc?
Constant? No. And they're automatic rather than manual. Ok so the Java one requesting admin privs to do a check is annoying.
A central update repository - like Windows update? It does do some third party software afaik. Some stuff that's bundled with and integrated into the OS... like that other thing you know, the one with the fruit..
Apple Macbook at home, Windows laptop at work, and an Android Phone.
Jamie - Freeloader!
Do we have a winner yet?
They are all brilliant. They all "just work", and they play nicely too. Humanity won, and then we looked around for something to argue about.
Its a mystery to me why Apple has the market capitalisation it has. If Apple and its products disappeared overnight most people would quickly find alternatives and get on with their jobs and lives. Nothing Apple makes is mission critical to running a modern economy. However if Microsoft or Oracle and their products disappeared overnight that would be a different matter.
100!
Jobs died, without him it's just another nerd company doing things for nerds.
Apart from knowing that a custom ROM can be put on my Android phone, I don't really know what advantage it would bring, how to do it or why I would want to do it. But my devices still work fine.
Good. That and your other points about Android show what progress it has made towards the "Just Works" mentality.
Go back five years and it was a very different story.
manually update other software - the only thing I can think of that required manually updating was CrapCleaner.
Really? Go start Adobe Reader and tell me what version you are on. Because if you have never updated it then you have some pretty massive and heavily exploited holes in your system.
Plus the fact that you even feel the need to use "CrapCleaner" on a system you say "Just Works" speaks volumes!
them sending me an e-mail and saying 'a new version is available' and me pressing the download button is hardly difficult.
So how did you know that email was legitimate and not directing you to malware? Did you check the site certificate? Look at the hash of the downloaded file?
That might seem daft but less tech-literate folk (like my parents or in-laws) regularly get caught out by phishing emails or browser pop-ups saying [i]"Your software is out of date. Click here to update it."[/i]
My wife has an iPhone 4 which is nowhere near as robust, but it still works after 3 years even though the glass back has shattered and it got dropped in the shower once.
It's a sub-2 minute job to replace that if you want.
Literally undo two screws, replace back, tighten two screws.
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+4+Rear+Panel+Replacement/3140
Right, except that's the exact opposite of what they are and what their target market is.Jobs died, without him it's just another nerd company doing things for nerds.
Graham, I feel that you should be congratulated on your dedication to your faith.
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I know I come across as an apologist and fanboy but I'm really not IRL. Honestly! 😀
If I was buying my first smartphone today it would be Android based.
Probably.
Assuming I didn't already have an iPad.
Its a mystery to me why Apple has the market capitalisation it has.
Apple has a relatively small (8%?) share of the OS market and similarly small (12%?) in the mobile-OS market. If that's what you meant by 'capitalisation'?
No, they meant value of the company:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_capitalization
And your numbers, they're by device numbers right? Not say, profit share, mobile web usage, ARPU etc?
Its a mystery to me why Apple has the market capitalisation it has.
Well do you remember what portable music players were like before the iPod? Do you remember what mobile phones were like before the iPhone? Do you remember what tablets were like before the iPad? That's right, they were all shit. Nerds always like to argue that Apple invented none of those things, but they certainly made them desirable to the masses and there's no doubt in my mind that other companies made blatant copies.
Apple are good at making things work in the real world, whether their own or someone else's original idea. Apple make stuff work and then others copy them and sometimes even better them. Even if you are into Samsung, Sony, Microsoft, Android, etc, etc, Apple's influence on the market is obvious throughout.
Device market share is a bit of a non-statistic, as essentially you are comparing a front line flagship phone alongside every budget phone made.
What would be an interesting statistic, is device market share amongst current flagship phones. Maybe cover phones up to 2 years old. I'd like to see that statistic.
zilog6128 - MemberRight, except that's the exact opposite of what they are and what their target market is.
Then..Jobs died and without him it's just another nerd company doing things for nerds.
I am target market and can tell you Google now does what Apple used to do but much better, the devices are now secondary Google drive, maps, docs, chrome, contacts, is all better than the Apple equivalent,
Much better to look at profit, Apple hoovers up more profit from phone sales than any other vendor, even though they sell less.
A new analysis of third-quarter handset industry operating profits estimates that Apple accounted for a massive 86 percent share, blowing away the competition as rivals such as Samsung saw their profit levels dip.
It appears it's not all roses on the Android update side of the fence...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30116319
It appears it's not all roses on the Android update side of the fence...
They must be trying to mimic the Apple updates.
They must be trying to mimic the Apple updates.
Well they copy everything else.
GrahamS - You do know that you can postpone the reboot for 4 hours at a time right? You did click on the little drop down menu to stop it hassling you right?
As for Acrobat Reader, sorry whatnow? Foxit every time, much sleeker and easier to live with.
On repositories, Ubuntu (and debian in general) really does have the edge, for all its faults that I couldn't live with that was its one great strength. Writing a code to run dual monitor with one at 90deg to normal from boot every time was the killer though. I'm out.
Back to 7, which just works. Only thing I really need to concern myself with is graphics updates which to be fair are only because I use it for gaming.
Finally, does anyone know how to save a PDF in Safari on the iPad? Because every single "expert" on the apple support forums still suggests saving it to a program that, as far as I can see, was removed several OS's ago leaving no option. I mean, it's not like I would want to save a PDF doc to my tablet to then go work [i]offline[/i] is it?!? Seriously, that's all I want and it's doing my head in. Intuitive my hairy arse.
open in ibooks
Just tried to quote you, but couldn't ****ing paste on my iPad/safari. Shite.
I know I come across as an apologist and fanboy but I'm really not IRL. Honestly
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Was just using you as a[s]poster boy[/s]n example, Graham! At times, it's almost as if there's a religious zeal with which people talk about something as mundane as their choice of technology. In fact, for many, it seems to be discussed/defended/argued about as if it really were their religion.
I've always hated Apple, from the early iphones with basic features like MMS missing, and the unintuitive interface which required more gestures to do the same thing as an android.
Then they lost there cool status after taking Samsung to court for every patent under the sun and the proceeding years of lawsuits as they tried to establish their appleopoly 😆
open in ibooks
Just tried to quote you, but couldn't **** paste on my iPad/safari. Shite.
Ta Daaaa!
GrahamS - You do know that you can postpone the reboot for 4 hours at a time right?
Indeed. Not really very helpful if it pops that up while you are not actually at the PC though eh? Say in a meeting or, as in my example, at lunch.
Blimmin Windows - at its most annoying when it tries to be helpful.
As for Acrobat Reader, sorry whatnow? Foxit every time, much sleeker and easier to live with.
Adobe is mandated by work. As I understand it FoxIt doesn't support some of the digital signatures and form features we use.
Then..Jobs died and without him it's just another nerd company doing things for nerds.
How do you square that with them being more successful (marketshare , market cap, share price, profit, revenue..take your pick) since then?
I must stop feeding trolls... 😉
Oh I do love my MBP oh yes I do. iTunes is the worst thing I've ever had the mispleasure of using. My ipad is getting on and I'm severely tempted to ditch the iPod, ipad and iPhone and start the change to android.
iTunes is the worst thing I've ever had the mispleasure of using.
I wish they'd just leave the UI alone. It seems to change every time I'm forced to upgrade when I buy a newer iPhone model.
Just tried to quote you, but couldn't **** paste on my iPad/safari. Shite.
Posted from my iPhone. Simple enough.
I wish they'd just leave the UI alone. It seems to change every time I'm force to upgrade when I buy a newer iPhone model.
I'd just settle for it not losing my shit all the effing time! It's in the same place! I haven't moved it and I don't want to put it in the pitifully small HDD on the mac. Dumb useless crap. Posted from ipad lol.
I hated my MBP but Yosemite seems to have made more stable/usable.
Well, well, some folk ARE able to paste, impressive stuff. It's almost as if bugs affect some people, but not others... 🙄
Well, well, some folk ARE able to paste, impressive stuff. It's almost as if bugs affect some people, but not others...
C+P bug does exist. [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ios-81-on-iphone-5-hows-it-doing#post-6477539 ]As discussed on iOS thread[/url]. So anyone for those it doesn't affect, congrats, but it does exist.
Also, Soylent Green is people.
C+P bug does exist. As discussed on iOS thread. So anyone for those it doesn't affect, congrats, but it does exist
YAY! What do I win?
"Just works" comes from those of us who used Microsoft products for years which frankly didn't work, frequent hangs, crashes and the dreaded BSD, blue screen of death.
As for Apple's market cap, two things hugely profitable now (able to sell premium products in huge size), massive potential (money they can make from Apple Pay could dwarf their other revenues). Apple has something like a 40% market share in developed markets like the US and UK, if they mirror that in other markets their growth potential is exponential.
IMO they make the best products in terms of design, functionality and longevity and I am prepared to pay a premium for that, their desirability means I have good resale value if I want
FWIW I have a Windows Phone (Nokia 520), a Surface RT tablet, an HTPC with Windows 7 and a 6 year old desktop I use for audio recording and photo editing that has Windows 8 on it.
They all work fine, don't crash and weren't too expensive to buy. I also find them very usable - especially the unified search in Windows 8.1 - just start typing what you want to open (program, file, webpage) hit enter and then it's there. So fast!
I've used apple stuff before and it's very good too. Not worth the price increase for me though.
A lot of the difference is that Apple makes software and high end hardware - there aren't any low-end Apple devices.
You can now get PC hardware of the same quality from Microsoft (see their Surface line) as well as other manufacturers (ultrabooks etc). But Tesco will also sell you a Windows tablet for £99.
The difference between the sell on value and the original price is probably about the cost of the android you could have bought instead?
As a non-user of Apple products it's all gone worse for me - last night I sat down at the family Mac and tried to freshen up the music on my iPod with some CDs and a couple of downloads. iTunes is definitely less inituitive and harder to use than a few years ago and to add to my misery the damned stupid mouse and the fancy screen keep doing stuff I don't ask them to do - suddenly the tool bar will disappear off the top, the whole screen shoots off to one side or the picture shrinks down to nothing. Maddeningly too clever for its own good.
These sort if things are going to ebb and flow. Pick your poison.
I've been windows for a long time and I've seen it go good, bad, indifferent, good again and then a bit loopy. But I've always produced good work on the systems, at a small fraction of price to the Mac. We edit 4/5k video and I'm not losing out to any of my Apple piers. But we do save money and have learned a lot about hardware over the years.
Apple who still have good results are bound to eventually go a bit off the blower. How can you not when your so successful?
