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Windows 10 is still Windows though, so not really any different.
It is pretty damn different - you're flat out wrong.
I've never really understood why people think OSX is more intuitive, it's just different
This! I find it quite irritating actually. And it's far from 'just works' that folk proclaim too.
I found hitting sort by date on a pc really confuses the mac users....
Oh there's also the Surface Book - clearly aimed at the Mac market. It's rather nice.
There is also a Dell rival to the surface that was described as awesome by my mate, not on the site yet but a tablet with proper keyboard based on the xps range. Full power and light, extra battery in the keyboard gets you at least a full days use.
I found hitting sort by date on a pc really confuses the mac users...
As a Mac user everything on a p.c confuses me on the very rare occasion I have to look at one.
I'm struggling to see why sorting by date or date added in the finder is an issue? 😯
Mrs Binners has recently moved to a PC laptop from a Mac. She spends an awful lot of time swearing at it. Its a piece of shit. She hates it! We'll be back to another Mac shortly, I'd imagine. Its days are numbered!
Whack the maximum memory upgrade and an SSD in the Mac. It'll cost 150 quid and take you an hour, and the difference is unbelievable!
As a Mac user of 20 odd years, who uses them all day, every day for high end graphics work, I view PC's the same way as you'd view a tractor, having just climbed out of a Porsche.
They're basically agricultural equipment
I'm struggling to see why sorting by date or date added in the finder is an issue?
Me too but then I'm a regular user of both. I support MS and use OSX.
Sort by date is probably on of the most used things in find for me, I've got no idea what filename I just downloaded or I don't care what the filename of may Garmin gox is all I want is the newest one.
She spends an awful lot of time swearing at it. Its a piece of shit.
Is it because you bought something really cheap?
They're basically agricultural equipment
As opposed to flash lifestyle accessories like the Porsche?
Forget the OS Wars rubbish - it's futile. They're all as good or bad as each other.
If you're used to a MacBook you will probably hate Windows 10 for a while, because it's not what you're used to.
I hate MacBooks as it's not what I'm used to and there's always some idiot at work saying how great they are and then complaining they can't do something that all the PC users do. If I used one more I'd probably learn to like it.
I'd suggest working out what software you want to run, see what platform it runs on and get that.
If you find you're going for a Windows laptop then there's a world of choice, cheaper options sometimes have build quality shortcuts. I did get an MSI laptop a few years ago that feels a bit cheap and plasticky but is in better nick than the supposedly better built Dell I use at work. Dell XPS seem nice, had a few come in through work and both the 13 and 15 are pleasant to use.
One tip from recent experience is if you want encryption then look at business laptops with Windows 10 Pro, they usually have TPM 2.0 and Bitlocker support. Home laptops often ship without TPM or with the older TPM 1.2, Bitlocker isn't supported on Windows 10 Home.
Or go with the MacBook as the encryption options on those appear better, Windows based hardware is still catching up - certainly for home market machines.
Is it because you bought something really cheap?
No... the problem is that it has a Windows based OS. Its horrible!
As opposed to flash lifestyle accessories like the Porsche?
You know me Molls. I'm all about flash lifestyle accessories! 😉
've got a laptop running W7 nicely from 2009, recently upgraded to W10. Also a netbook type thing from about the same time runs W10 nicely too.
I'm still using my HP laptop bought in spring of 2009. Upgraded to W7 in the autumn and then to W10 a few months ago. I put an SSD in when I went to W10 but apart from that I've not done anything to it. Granted it wasn't cheap (£700 IIRC) when I bought it, but it was cheaper than an equivalent Mac.
don't get a laptop Mac or PC, captive keyboards and no mouse make them horrible to use
Or just buy a keyboard and wireless mouse. If you're out and about you can take the mouse with you at least. If you buy a desktop then you've got no portability. If you don't need it then fine, get a desktop. But it's better to be able to 'make do' with an imperfect keyboard from time to time than to be stuck to a desk (if portability is important).
it has a Windows based OS. Its horrible!
No, it's lovely 🙂
From an aesthetic point of view, MacOS looks absolutely awful and dated nowadays. MS have definitely won this round, W10 is gorgeous.
Sort by date is probably on of the most used things in find for me, I've got no idea what filename I just downloaded or I don't care what the filename of may Garmin gox is all I want is the newest one.
But why do you think it would confuse a mac user?
The fact it's not there from what I hear, every one I'm using winding front of seems to think it's a great idea.
Anyway the OP can do what he likes, plenty of perspective here and plenty of people who last used xp and think that's modern windows or the locked box in their office is the home experience.
Molly - I think you need psychiatric help mate
View Options -> Sort By ... Date Last Opened, Date Created, Date Modified...
Really not just click on the date modified column? How backwards
The fact it's not there from what I hear
That is not a fact it's hearsay.
Ah like the I've never used windows for 10 years but it's shit
If you set Finder view to columns you just click on the column heading to sort.
they are both rather boringly similar nowadays
hardware wise: £ for £ the quality is very similar. People who say otherwise are not comparing at the same price range.
experience wise: nothing between them. People who say otherwise are just so used to one particular way of doing things that they forgot they had to learn that in the fist place.
just set a budget and buy what you like the look of. You don't need anything special by the sound of it.
Really not just click on the date modified column? How backwards
I find command>3 (or 1, or 2) quite intuitive depending on how I want the finder to show files, then I have the choice of seeing kind/size/date added/date modified or whatever combination I want. Plus the colour coding and then splitting the sorting so it put the colours in separate groups if needed and then has further sorting by name/date etc.
I think you are trying to argue about something that doesn't really exist. Maybe try moaning about the power button on the back of an iMac? You have to reach behind and move your fingers around until you find the button which is flush and not protruding, it's terrible.
Molly - I think you need psychiatric help mate
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they are both rather boringly similar nowadayshardware wise: £ for £ the quality is very similar. People who say otherwise are not comparing at the same price range.
experience wise: nothing between them. People who say otherwise are just so used to one particular way of doing things that they forgot they had to learn that in the fist place.
just set a budget and buy what you like the look of. You don't need anything special by the sound of it.
This, + loads.
Quick thought for OP: you could perhaps keep the macbook for home / everyday use and get a cheap chromebook for portability? I'm considering the same thing even though my MBP is working fine after a wee upgrade.
they are both rather boringly similar nowadayshardware wise: £ for £ the quality is very similar. People who say otherwise are not comparing at the same price range.
experience wise: nothing between them. People who say otherwise are just so used to one particular way of doing things that they forgot they had to learn that in the fist place.
just set a budget and buy what you like the look of. You don't need anything special by the sound of it.
this sums it all up well
Not read the whole thread but...
That said, I was in a similar place, considering a pc - i even bought (a cheapish) one and used it as my main machine for a few months to see if I could hack it, but there are things that I couldn't find a good pc alternative for.
See my threads here:
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/automated-windows-backup
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/windows-fansmac-haters
FWIW I got a mac 😉
they are both rather boringly similar nowadays
hardware wise: £ for £ the quality is very similar. People who say otherwise are not comparing at the same price range.experience wise: nothing between them. People who say otherwise are just so used to one particular way of doing things that they forgot they had to learn that in the fist place.
just set a budget and buy what you like the look of. You don't need anything special by the sound of it.
This is reasonably accurate. My issue was I didn't really have a budget (within reason) but there were things I couldn't do on a PC. I think roughly:
low end: PCs are compelling, you have more options on what you sacrifice to get the price down.
mid-high: for me, macs are compelling as it's hard to find PCs with good physical qualities (build, trackpad etc).
very high end: you can't get high end macs, so it's an easy choice here.
Also, bear in mind although you can learn windows, get used to it - there would have to be a big pay off to make it worthwhile. Either in getting a much better machine for your needs (which aren't high end, so not that) or saving a lot of money. Think "what would I pay not to waste time faffing about on a new system?" for me, it's not £0. Say you spend two days faffing - how much do you need to save on a PC to make that worth it?
but there were things I couldn't do on a PC
like what?
like what?
See the threads. Backup's the obvious one, from the link URL 😉 To pick some others, read/write google cal support that works offline, icloud photostream syncing.
And for a generic point, try "handle hi-DPI screens properly and consistently"
But we're heading OT here... not that I don't love a good argument on the internet. 😉
like what?
i couldn’t tether my digital back, run the stacking software, use a thunderbolt raid or edit in final cut.
but even if i could do those things on a p.c i still wouldn’t for various reasons:
having briefly used my parents laptop i decided any time spent trying to learn the ways of windows was pointless and an exercise in frustration.
i dont care how much cheaper a windows p.c. is or how i can build my own etc, any price premium is paid back with a few hours of productivity so is of no consequence so i’m happy to pay the ‘apple tax’.
i have had a few issues/downtime over the years but never had to do a clean install and google has usually helped me solve the problem (mainly been a specialist software thing broken by an update and not an apple problem)
pc’s look grim. i would happily leave an iMac in the living room, pc’s just remind me of boring office environments and spreadsheets.
i’m sure if you are buying for an IT department p.c’s make a lot of sense, i can’t see the apple evangelists point in trying to convince you otherwise but it goes both ways, there is no point in telling me it would be cheaper/easier/has a higher geek bench score etc etc when it’s fundamentally the wrong choice for me both on an emotional nonsense level of me wanting a shiny well made tactile object not a grey plastic ugly thing but also a productivity level of picking the best tool for the job.
all those cafe posers should admit that’s why they bought them though, because you can surf the web and do Facebook on p.c but you dont look cool carrying round an HP or mac-a-like silver laptop.
Quick thought for OP: you could perhaps keep the macbook for home / everyday use and get a cheap chromebook for portability? I'm considering the same thing even though my MBP is working fine after a wee upgrade.
Possibly interesting anecdote. I have a Chromebook which was bought as a "pub laptop" i.e. a cheap and cheerful bit of kit that I don't worry about being damaged or stolen. I also have a 12" Macbook, which is very much NOT cheap and cheerful. I will sing the praises of the Chromebook quite happily, but it's not a patch on the Macbook when it comes to the simple joy of using a well designed tool.
but it's not a patch on the Macbook when it comes to the simple joy of using a well designed tool.
My 2011 MBP is a joy to use - it's just a really nicely engineered bit of kit. The trackpad is the only one I've ever used on a laptop which I can genuinely use instead of a mouse - even for photoshop etc...
The trackpad is the only one I've ever used on a laptop which I can genuinely use instead of a mouse
true. I'd go as far as saying it's considerably better than a mouse.
IA what was the problem with Windows Backup?
true. I'd go as far as saying it's considerably better than a mouse.
Yes.
Still running a 2008 macbook
It's had 2 new batteries , new keyboard , 2 new chargers , ram upgrade , new hdd but it's still going strong
Bit like triggers brush
Had loads of windows laptops for work and they have all bluescreened regularly.
HP laptops have been the worst
Had loads of windows laptops for work and they have all bluescreened regularly.
A lot of people's problems with Windows seem to be what their work do to them.
I am forced to use Windows 7 on a dell laptop at work and it's awful. It's only 18 months old and getting replaced this month. It is no longer capable of allowing me to change the format of a single cell in excel. It complains that it hasn't got enough memory to do it!!!! It's got 4gb fast, and I only want to change 1 cell.
My 6 year old I'm actually however is very happy to do whatever I want.
they are both rather boringly similar nowadays
hardware wise: £ for £ the quality is very similar. People who say otherwise are not comparing at the same price range.experience wise: nothing between them. People who say otherwise are just so used to one particular way of doing things that they forgot they had to learn that in the fist place.
just set a budget and buy what you like the look of. You don't need anything special by the sound of it.
To use an oldish STW saying - full of win! and about time someone popped up with a balanced and real-world opinion on this. Hopefully folk will harp back to this thread whenever that awful tag team of Molgrips/Mikewsmith start with their crap in future threads. 😛
But seriously, when I looked at a replacement for an ancient Dell desktop I had no preconceptions and compared models in the £1300 range. At that time a few models available from Acer and Samsung almost took my money; they both had an aluminium case and both had pretty impressive screens, though not quite as good as the Retina. The one thing that swayed it for me was, for an extra £100, both Windows laptops only offered a 128gb ssd so it was a no brainer to snap up the 13" rMBP with double the storage.
It's a simple matter of what you need it for or what you like to use. I particularly like the gestures on OSX, they're really nice to use - App Exposé and Show Desktop are particular nice.
I swap betwen mac and pc all the time and dont see what all the fuss is about tbh. Its not like it was 10yrs ago they both run the same software and as long as you keep the pc clean of crap software work the same.
It is no longer capable of allowing me to change the format of a single cell in excel. It complains that it hasn't got enough memory to do it!!!!
That's not a normal situation. Also, Excel is not Windows, it's Office.
Sounds like your Work have not set it up well or it has a fault. I can't help thinking that comparing work Windows laptops with personally owned Macs isn't comparing like for like.
that awful tag team of Molgrips/Mikewsmith
Just to make it clear - I've got nothing against Apple. Seriously considered one for work this time. My problem is with Apple fanbois and flawed logic.
Windows is NOT SHIT. Your work IT dept may be shit. Your work software may be shit. Your laptop hardware manufacturer may be shit. But don't blame Windows for Excel on your work laptop not working. That's like blaming Ford for being stuck in traffic.
OP, I'd go with a secondhand 13" 2014 or 2015 MBP. Something recent enough that you get relatively up to date processors and small enough to travel with, 16GB Ram and at least 266GB HD.
Have you checked out the Apple Refurbs?
dunno if anyone has mentioned bootcamp and dual boot a mac
or
HP ZBOOK 14" job done weighs nowt and eats a mac alive power wise, lasts a full 12 hour shift too on battery, and about 700 quid cheaper than the very top line MBP