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What a shame it wasn’t Kamala Harris against Trump. Biden just isn’t very good. I understand why the Dems are putting him up to attract moderate undecideds but he is really limp.
Harris would have embarrassed Trump
That was just awful. Watched the highlights for anyone who saw the whole thing was it as bad as teh highlights made out? None of them seemed to say anything Trump wouldn't shut up and in the 10mins i saw I couldn't name a single policy either of them have.
and I can't wear my favourite (15 years old too!) Fred Perry any more because it's been hijacked as the uniform of the proud boys
This shit just got serious....
The "law and order" thing is very popular. I read a couple of articles where people don't like trump, they think he is racist but they are really worried and feel that this is the most important thing. Now for many including many from Europe "law and order" may be code for police brutality for many in The US they are looking at purely from "I am scared of the riots" POV and if they think trump is more likely to stop their small family shop being smashed they don't care how it stops. It's the whole deal with the imeadate issue for them.
From what I saw this morning, it looked like a US version of still game, but without the laughs.
There were 4 possible outcomes:
- trump win
- biden win
- draw
- chris wallace win
I saw it as a biden win - possibly a draw.
trump was embarrassing; he further demeaned the role of president but he's been doing that since january 2017.
Chris Wallace had an impossible job.
I feel sorry for the American public who have to be governed by one of these two
Remember that in the case of Biden at least - what you're seeing is a carefully calculated image that's been planned and he's been coached to deliver. Analysts will have decided that he can't tear into Trump calling him stupid, because that would alienate undecideds who might be sympathetic to the things Trump talks about. Much as educated left leaning people would like to see Trump torn a new one, it might not actually help. Or it might, but the analysts might disagree.
The “law and order” thing is very popular. I read a couple of articles where people don’t like trump, they think he is racist but they are really worried and feel that this is the most important thing.
If you watch the 13th one of the things they cite in Clinton gaining power years ago was that for a Democrat he went super hard on crime
I saw it as a biden win – possibly a draw.
trump was embarrassing
Is that through your European eyes and standpoint?
The question is really was trump seen as embarrassing by trump supporters or perhaps I should say trump sympathisers and floating voters more importantly. I think many of those may think he was "fighting his corner".
Polls seem to suggest Biden narrowly won it. Of course both sides of the divide are claiming victory for their team.
Biden's advantage seems to be that there are a lot more 'undecided' votes amongst people who've voted Republican in the past, whereas Trump is, and always will be a hate figure for Democrats and they're far less likely to be undecided.
Trump might blow it all on his own, he's going to do ANYTHING to try to win, a Political Scandal now could lose him the middle ground.
Danger for biden isn't so much gaffes as switching people off voting altogether and obvs the democrats rely on a larger turnout than last time.
They really should do the decent thing and cancel the last two debates just to see trump apoplectic with rage obvs they won't as they have a superbowl sized audience
That comment about the proud boys 'standing by' was sinister AF. Although let's not forget they're just a bunch of Fred Perry wearing incels
But thats a thinly veiled incitement to violence at the end of the day
Who the **** are the proud boys?
Who the **** are the proud boys?
Think National Front, Britain First or EDL and you won't be far off.
The 'debates' are utterly pointless as there is no debating. A better idea would be a mic with a mute button to actually enable either party to speak for their allotted time without getting shouted over.
Think National Front, Britain First or EDL and you won’t be far off.
Pretty much with the disturbing difference than unlike those lot the Proud boys have guns and lots of them.
Is that through your European eyes and standpoint?
My opinion - but shared by son and his US born wife who both live over there; his in-laws voted trump last time because they, stupidly, believed the hype about trump's business acumen - now they see him for what he is and won't be voting for the orange buffoon in November.
trump's core supporters - his 'base' - are not enough to get him the win he wants and needs; he has too little support from the other major voting groups.
What is the point in preaching to the converted when he already has their votes?
He made crude attempts to destroy Biden's credibility, legitimacy and policy positions - and failed through bringing the debate down to the level of a playground shouting match.
the Proud boys have guns and lots of them.
If you've not seen it, have a watch on iplayer of "The rise of the Nazis"....the parallels between this as it develops and the relationship between Hitler and the brown shirts is slightly terrifying.
#willyoushutupman is trending 😀
I had the misfortune of waking and not being able to sleep so watched some of it. I couldn't tell if Trump is just really loud or Biden speaks quite softly, but Bidens delivery was lacking IMO.
For the next round they need a mute button for the person who is not speaking!
Would have liked to see Obama "debtate" with Trump, I always found his speeches delivered with punch, imagine he can debate the same way.
The socially distanced audience were, largely, compliant with mask wearing requirements but one notable exception was trump's boy donny.
Surprise, surprise.
Just proving once again that he is an arrogant ignorant dick.
US born wife who both live over there; his in-laws voted trump last time because they, stupidly, believed the hype about trump’s business acumen – now they see him for what he is and won’t be voting for the orange buffoon in November.
Well there is hope. I think it will be close.
the Proud boys have guns and lots of them.
https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1311143872873918466
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There's a fair number on here and a fair number of people that I know who've cast judgement based on the first 30/40/45 minutes of the debate.
It was painful to watch. But commenting based on highlights or a small proportion of the debate makes any such comments both uninformed and irrelevant.
I'm not claiming any political allegiance here. But I did watch it all and the only comments I'll read are from those who cared enough to do the same. And/or have done so retrospectively.
Sorry, bit late, but good fun game if you are watching it on catchup.
Arrrrgghhh - can insert pics. Does this work
Who is lying - Bingo Card from the Behaviour Panel