Any (VW group) 2.0 TSI users

First question is why are you looking to replace?

Octy vrs 2014 2.0 220tsi here.  Can get 50mpg on a run.  More often I'll get 43 give or take.   With a mix of around town runs,  37ish over a tankful.

Posted by: rockthreegozy

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Its quoted as 38-42 but not sure if this is ambitious.

I had a Octavia 220 and managed to get 36-37 over a tank. 

Got the 250hp version in an Audi A4 now and see a bit less - but it is dragging a quattro drive train around. 

My brother has a Mk7.5 Gti, 220hp version, it will regularly get close to 50 mpg on a steady run, has averaged about 40 or a little less over 60k miles. He has a spreadsheet….

I’d suggest that the 1.5 Tsi is a step backwards. 
I previously had the 180bhp Octavia VRs diesel which was plenty powerful enough and averaged 55-60mpg. 
I’ve now got the 1.5 in a Karoq and it’s gutless and pretty crap on fuel. It’ll usually average about 42-44mpg but on a run you can get it up to around 50mpg if you take it easy. A friend has the same engine in an A3 and has slightly better consumption. 

I had to replace my 2.0 diesel Leon estate last year and I got the 1.5 TSI Cupra formentor.

It's definitely a step backwards with both power and fuel economy.

I get around 35mpg in sport mode, and I have to have sport mode on to pass pedestrians.

As for the car itself I love it and I can get two 29" ebikes in the back with front wheels off.

Great, helpful so far. I drove a 1.5 Cupra Leon DSG and it seemed nice enough but I do worry that loaded up it will be a bit underpowered.

187 Cupra comes in about £22-24k for a 23 plate, so cheaper than a similar age VRS and still decent space inside. A few Leons with the same engine but not many have adaptive cruise which would be nice..

None of them have physical buttons which is a step backwards but only the Golf facelift seems to have fixed this to some extent and 74 plates are a bit pricier.. and a bit smaller boot wise etc.

Adaptive cruise particularly with DSG is ace, I don’t know why it seems to be standard on VWs but nothing else.

If it helps at all I had a Passat 1.4 TSI 150 which was fast enough for my dad driving. Now have an A4 2.0 TSI with the same power and it’s fine, only issue is the fuel tank is 54l vs 66l which seems… odd. Waiting three months extra because I wanted adaptive cruise (which was standard on the Passat) was also irritating.

On a slight tangent, has anyone tried the new 1.5 Passat or Skoda hybrid?

I use an Audi A3 tfsi 1984cc  at work. It’s a bit of a poverty spec car but the engine is an absolute joy. So tractable, it picks up from nothing and delivers a really smooth surge of power all the way through to the red line.

The car is extremely comfy on a long drive with a relatively firm yet compliant ride. The tyres aren’t particularly low profile, which helps (225/45/r17 - Goodyear eagle F1) and the steering is nice and direct without ever feeling twitchy.

No idea about economy, but it never goes wrong (serviced religiously).

I used my own money & bought a Q3 for the higher driving position and still regret not waiting for the TFSI version (got the 2.0tdi which is still an amazing engine, just not as perky or grin inducing).

Contrary to what most seem to be saying, we've gone from a 2.0 tdi 150 Seat to an identical model but with the 1.5 tsi 150 engine. We have no issue with it 'lacking' as the DSG box is superb. Low 40s mpg where the diesel was 50mpg...but we don't do big miles any more. It's a great engine and has way more power and similar performance as "hot hatches" of my yoof.

Have the 150 in my Koraq. Not had the 2 litre so can't compare but it's plenty fast enough, and, like poster above with the DSG it's a nice thing to drive. I get 40ish around town and up to 45 on a long run.

I have the 1.4tsi 150 in a Skoda Superb. 47mpg doing 73mpg on the motorway. 52 mpg on A road runs in the Highlands. Power seems adequate.  With a full load and 4 big adults it slows down a bit. The other 99% of the time it s fine

@irc Same engine in a loaded Passat (2 adults, 2 kids, boot full of stuff) still spent a lot of time in 2-cyl mode on the motorway IME

Posted by: ratherbeintobago

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@irc Same engine in a loaded Passat (2 adults, 2 kids, boot full of stuff) still spent a lot of time in 2-cyl mode on the motorway IME

how can you tell?

the 1.5 TSI Cupra formentor.

It's definitely a step backwards with both power and fuel economy.

I get around 35mpg in sport mode, and I have to have sport mode on to pass pedestrians.

that seems poor. I’m not sure of the differences but we’ve got a 2018 1.4 tsi dsg in a caddy maxi life (so heavier and worse aerodynamics than any of the vehicles people are talking about). It’s more than quick enough for safe driving - surprisingly so up to about 40. 

s mode on the gearbox all the time though. D keeps the revs so low/such a high gear nothing happens when you accelerate a it needs to change down and get the revs high enough for the turbo to kick in before it goes anywhere. I don’t find that makes any difference to economy - long term over a year 40+ 

@ b33k34     Two cylinder mode?

It tells you on the dash display.

@ ratherbeintobago

I agree absolutely  fine fully loaded for normal driving. Only noticed under hard acceleration like on short slip roads or overtakes with limited gaps.   In fact probably more just going into a lower gear a few mph earlier is the only thing that changes in my driving qhen fully loaded  (manual gearchange). Or maybe needing to  change down a gear rather than just pulling away from low RPM.

In contrast my wife owned a 2018 Karoq with the 1.5 150 engine and it was gutless. Constantly having to stir the gears to keep it pulling, never managed better than 40mpg on a long run & was generally 25mpg running about & commuting. Awful experience & couldn’t wait to get rid of it.

I have a Mk7.5 GTI Performance (245bhp) and managed 37mph back from London 2-weeks ago with a roofbox and a bike on the roof. It'll easily hit early-mid 40's. Genuinely shocked at how frugal it is.

@b33k34 Yes, as @irc says it tells you on the dash display, though the other way of telling was the engine note got less smooth. Wife's slightly older 1.4TFSI 125 Golf didn't have 2-cyl mode though.

Current MHEV 2.0TFSI A4 switches the engine off (most consistently at about 37mph) which was a bit eerie the first time it happened.

In time honoured, recommend what you have yourself fashion. You should get a 2011, Honda civic type r. K20, 200 bhp petrol Vtec. I've done around 750 miles since purchase last September, mostly round town. Averaging 18.5 mpg. I was shocked but then again It sounds magic with the Mugen exhaust. 🤣🤣🤣

As others have already stated.

Ive got a Octavia 1.5tsi, its fine with just the 3 of us in, but found it a little lacking when we had 5 in 

My 1.5 TSI Octavia is usually fully loaded and seems fast enough to me. Acording to the dash computer I get 60mpg on country roads. It gets used a lot in the town too and I'm not getting a modern diesel again for that sort of driving, too many issues with the various three letter acronyms (TLAs) that manage emissions.

Posted by: ratherbeintobago

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@b33k34 Yes, as @irc says it tells you on the dash display, though the other way of telling was the engine note got less smooth. Wife's slightly older 1.4TFSI 125 Golf didn't have 2-cyl mode though.

which must be the engine we have in our Caddy which will be why it's not something I've noticed.

Posted by: mildred

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In contrast my wife owned a 2018 Karoq with the 1.5 150 engine and it was gutless. Constantly having to stir the gears to keep it pulling, never managed better than 40mpg

Looking at how the DSG shifts on ours I suspect these small, turbo'd, engines probably aren't well suited to manual.  The power band feels like it's quite narrow which means - as your wife found - you need to shift a lot to keep it pulling which isn't an issue if the DSG is doing it for you (on a 7 speed box as well). Likewise, I suspect a lot of the efficiency comes from keeping the revs very low and the car in a high gear which would need a lot of work and attention on a manual. I'm sure if I was driving it manually I'd end up with a much high average rev count - I'm amazed at how low a speed it shifts up to top gear. 

This is the first auto car we've had and I'd never have a manual again anyway. 

" I suspect these small, turbo'd, engines probably aren't well suited to manual. The power band feels like it's quite narrow which means - as your wife found - you need to shift a lot to keep it pulling "

I found the exact opposite. My previous car before my first 1.4tsi Octy was a 1.8 non Turbo Mondeo.   It needed downshifting to get any real acceleration. The 1.4tsi pulls really well from anything over 2000rpm. Even the 125bhp 1.4tsi was a better all round engine than the 1.8 Ford.

The manual has an indicator on the screen suggesting gear changes which seems biased towards economy.  I ignore them, often being one gear lower. Doesn't effect economy which is probably more decided by cruising mpg and good driving - anticipation so brake use is minimised.

Had a Kodiaq with the 180bhp version of the 2.0tsi (ea888) lump. It was really nice. If you were really kind to it it’d do 35mpg, but I get bored easily so generally it did 29. 

Bro in law has the same engine in his superb and he can get over 40, despite it being tuned to within an inch of its life.

in contrast we had a Sharan with rhe 1.5tsi heap in it as a courtesy car for a few days.  Over its 40k existence it was averaging 22mpg.  Was gutless and harsh.