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[Closed] A(nother) Public Sector pay freeze?

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My neighbour in a young consultant at one of the top firms, 6 figure salary. I see him WFH at his desk at 8 in the morning when I go out to collect the HH feed bowls and still at his desk at 10pm when I go out again to put the food bowls out again. Maybe 15 years ago I'd have been keen but now I just can't be arsed and work 9-5 ish most days.


 
Posted : 15/05/2020 11:53 am
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I would bet a lot of teachers do similar tbh. Not a majority for sure but especially those with management roles.


 
Posted : 15/05/2020 12:01 pm
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As has been pointed out already, the private sector isn't made up purely of 100k earning managers.

By far the biggest proportion of employees in most large private firms are the lower paid staff.

Tbh I find it pretty incredible that folk in the public sector are conplaining about not getting a pay rise, when many in the private sector will lose their jobs at the end of this.


 
Posted : 15/05/2020 12:05 pm
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The folk who had a two year pay freeze in 2010, to pay for financial tomfoolery in the US?
The folk who had a pay cap from 2013 to 2018, because we're all in it together?

I think we're entitled to raise the issue.


 
Posted : 15/05/2020 12:14 pm
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The folk who had a two year pay freeze in 2010, to pay for financial tomfoolery in the US?

The two aren't connected at all. The austerity program was a political decision to shrink the state. The Financial need was to increase spending to grow the economy after the crash, but that was decided to be less important. Plenty of reports showing that austerity increased the depth and duration of the recession and was the wrong economic policy. However, it was the *right* political policy for the Tories, who believe the state has to shrink no matter the cost.

On a brighter note it does appear that Sunak (sp?) has twigged that be can't cut his way out of this recession and the only viable strategy is to grow GDP to get out the hole. Hopefully this will win out over some of the hard line Tories who want to cut their way out of it....


 
Posted : 15/05/2020 12:23 pm
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The two aren’t connected at all

Ahem:
Mr Osborne said in 2010: ‘I know there are many dedicated public sector workers who work very hard and did not cause this recession – but they must share the burden as we pay to clean it up.’

I appreciate this was Tory politics, but they used the opportunity to do it.


 
Posted : 15/05/2020 12:28 pm
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Many in the public sector will also lose their jobs, many already are and plenty have been furloughed.

There is a myth that needs busting over public sector job security. The last 10 year's of austerity shows many '000s of public sector jobs lost, pay freeze/cuts so why wouldn't they want a pay rise?

The big issue is we talk about the public sector and that is a very broad, perhaps pay increases should be targeted at the areas which are having the biggest impact on fighting the virus/helping society rather than just a blanket increase across the board?

The big question is why large private companies who still turn a profit will be laying off staff because the profit is not as big this year whilst continuing to pay bonuses and dividends, interesting how many of these companies were right at the front of the queue for government handouts.

Don't worry normal service will resume punish the public sector and low paid to the benefit of the wealthy.


 
Posted : 15/05/2020 12:38 pm
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The public sector has much better benefits in terms of sick leave, annual leave, pensions etc. Where I work we have an excellent training budget and are expected to use it. Flexible working and family friendly policies. And you pretty much have shoot somebody to get sacked (twice, cos the first shot could have been an accident) which means you have to work with numpties but they are slowly getting eradicated.

It's this bit that gets ignored.

There is a huge case for increasing the pay of the lowest paid part of the public sector (including the elements which are contracted out to the private sector where the pay is even worse), but what tends to happen is there is a flat rate percentage increase so everyone gets an increase. Your average doctor isn’t exactly badly paid, even when you factor in an element of danger money.

I also can’t work out why nurses and HCAs in A&E get paid the same as some of the quieter wards (No I’m not having a go at TJ just repeating what nurses I ride with have said).


 
Posted : 15/05/2020 12:42 pm
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Tbh I find it pretty incredible that folk in the public sector are conplaining about not getting a pay rise, when many in the private sector will lose their jobs at the end of this.

I'm not sure many of us are complaining about that, we're complaining at the same old, outdated public sector stereotypes.

And in the 16 years I've been in the civil service, I've twice had to change jobs as agencies and offices have closed, while some colleagues have lost their jobs as a result. Another round of office restructuring will see two more East Midlands offices close in October, with more redundancies as remote working was not offered as an alternative, even though those staff are currently working at home.


 
Posted : 15/05/2020 12:44 pm
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Many in the public sector will also lose their jobs, many already are and plenty have been furloughed.

Do you know who's lost their jobs in public sector as a result of this?

And public sector being put on furlough? That doesn't add up at all!


 
Posted : 15/05/2020 1:20 pm
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