[Closed] Another moral dilemma.

Whats his log in name on here, sounds like a sound chap.

grass him up. there is doing a bit on the side and there is being a crook

Put hidden cameras in his apartment and in the hall, then grass him up.

Grass the ****.

What do you think?

Probably above anything else, it doesn't sound like a very good environment for children.

Grass him up and get child services involved.
Oh, and make him eat the lead.

http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/giving-information

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/

there you go you dont even have to go out

What Junkyard said ^

If you can hand-on-heart say you've never nicked lead off a roof then good luck to you sir

Grass them up.
Having been burgled twice in the last year, I think housebreakers are absolute scum bags. The first break-in really affected me - waking up every night for the slightest noise. If I ever caught one in the house, I would gladly kill them.

The Country is in such a financial mess partly due to such people, why should the people who live an honest life, pay taxes etc fund his (and her) lifestyle, when they clearly have no morals and are so blase about their law breaking.

Alan.

Where is the dilemma?...

The dilemma is that 'grassing' is not something I'm comfortable with, & if I do will the police actually do anything? Ronnie Biggs he is not, they probably have better things to do.

Cheers.

Of course they will follow it up, theft is taken seriously.

If you'd been burglarized and a mate knew of a burglar how would you feel if he didn't shop him?

I had a tenant who was a heroin addict, he stole off all the other tenants, one of whom called me in the middle of the night and said there was loads of nicked gear in the lounge. I went round found a set of alloys, car stereos, two tvs and loads of other random crap. So I called the cops. Did they come? NO. Did they even call me back? No.

So I say give it try. I'll bet my hat they stay in the canteen and ignore you.

I cannot believe you are asking such a question.

This guy is trash and needs removing from society.

You have said he is a thief, he abuses his wife and what about the kids?

If you don't do anything you are as bad as him!

As for mentioning the word 'grass' if you are uncomfortable with dealing with the police maybe you are not quite so cleaned and honest yourself?

The end.

Quite an appropriate OP username...

It's against the law to take lead off church roofs.? Whatever next.!

Seriously though I'd grass him up then sit back and watch the fun.

No dilemma in grassing him up, but is there any issue with the way you've entered the flat? From a prosecution point of view like.

this is NOT a dilemma . . . .

just do it.

see... I like good honest decent law-abiding folk... but I also have a lot of time and love in my heart for cheeky crooks and scoundrels..
so which is best..?

there's only one way to find out...

FFIIIIGGGHHHHHHHT!!!!!

Snitch.

So,let me get this right. You have a young family living in a small, filthy,damp flat that you want to grass up cos they supplement their meager benefits with a little bit of extra cash, isn't he just showing a bit of initiative in providing a bit extra for his family? Surely they are struggling to make ends meet in these tough economic times. Are you sure the lead/tv/etc was stolen, how do you know it was stolen?
Not only that it sounds like the guy has medical issues i.e alcohol dependence and mental health issues. It sounds like they need help, not throwing out on the streets.

pfft some people 🙄

.......and, as if that poor woman doesn't already have enough problems, you're going to put her old man in prison.

Don't be so bleedin heartless.

Anyone care to give me a reason not to grass him up to anyone who'll listen?

Given that you haven't actually been in the flat, what are you going to say to the police? Surely the guy who saw all this stuff has to report it, no?

Is he a roofer?

ernie and piha condones breaking the law or is that some laws depending on how you feel or your own moral code? Bet it would be different if it was your roof lead or you had been broken in to? We live by the law and it applies across the country. If you dont like it suggest you move say to Naples or Sicily, lot of people there who think the same about the law. See how you feel then.

Is he a roofer?

Aye, a roofer who fixes tellys as a hobby in the evenings 😆

There's nothing wrong with breaking the law every now and again Pawsy_Bear .......I do it all the time.

I suppose you're goody two-shoes 😐

"Discount for cash, mate?"

Ernie (at the weekend):

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My standard answer: "Oh, you want to pay by cheque? That price was for cash!"

Anyway, he abuses her physically & mentally, but that's by the by, her choice not to kick him out, probably..

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🙄 Irony is so difficult to get over on forums!

I'm surprised you [i]have[/i] any morals allthegearnoidea! 😆 Bring it to the attention of your boss; it's his flat, it affects his business, it'll be up to him how he deals with it.

ernie - I just dont think its morally right to steal. Guess from your reply you do, maybe if they had stolen your bike and it was in the flat you would find that acceptable? I think the victims of crime have a view and a right to justice and protection under the law and support from society. Therefore I see no moral dilemma. If you break the law I would report it.

whooosh

ernie is STW's own petty criminal. He's got all the gear and is never short of an idea.

There's a woman lives near me, she's never had a job as far as I can tell, although she's a bit old for that now. Lives in a massive house, has several cars, always got new outfits on takes loads of foreign holidays all at taxpayers' expense.

She's got several kids with her no-good racist husband, none of them seem to do much either speshly her younger sons who are always up to some scam or another, the middle one is involved with all sorts of dodgy deals with swarthy foreign types. Her daughter isn't too bad actually, does seem to put in a bit of graft. And her grandkids seem a good bit more responsible, her eldest son's two are in the military I think. Mind you, one of them's clearly the son of some other bloke her former daughter in law was shagging behind her husband's back; you can tell cos he's got ginger hair.

All her kids seem to have blagged nice houses off the state too. And they're all a bit, well, inbred looking if you know what I mean....

Proper bunch of shysters if you ask me.

Should I grass them up?

That households sounds like a right ... royal .... mess

you can tell cos he's got ginger hair

Grass um up...

Worst that happens is our wonderful justice system finds him innocent.

The dilemma is that 'grassing' is not something I'm comfortable with

Yeah but in this case, it seems that reporting the matter to the police would be something based on not very much actual 'evidence' of any wrong-doing. The Fuzz would need a bit more than 'I think this man is being a bit naughty'.

Plus, what's the actual legality of the manner of entry to the flat? Was the tenant given adequate notice? Was it some form of essential repair work that needed doing? Dunno if changing a meter falls under that. And any 'evidence' collected would have bin done so illegally, surely?

I'd get the owner of the property to have a chat with the actual tenant. Maybe that way, any potential illegal activity could be prevented.

I woon't bother going to the police; they have far bigger fish to fry. I know from personal experience that the police won't act even if there's a lot of suspicion that illegal activities are in fact taking place in a dwelling. We've got a drug-dealing prostitute near us; the police have bin informed many times, and have done bugger all.

As for 'grassing'; nowt wrong with doing the 'right thing' at all. But best to make sure you're actually right; I for one woon't be too pleased if someone reported me to the Babylonians for something they only 'thought' I was doing.

Landlord/property owner's responsibility to sort it. Leave it at that.

The Police may need further evidence before acting on any criminal behaviour. However the housing benefit fraud is easier to deal with.

Yeah but how d'you know if any actual 'fraud' is taking place? And I think it's important to consider the impact of 'grassing'; that family could end up in a very dire situation, which could have a very negative effect on the children. It's not just as simple as 'shopping a cheat'. Try to think rather than swallow the sensationalist and alarmist propaganda. Every day very rich people are scamming far, far more in tax dodges than poor people are in benefits. Fact.

Jeeze, it's a bloody good thing some of you lot don't live where I do, you'd explode with sanctimonious self-righteousness....

Now, how can I avoid paying import duty on a nice shiny new bike from the States...?