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 juan
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Is the following correct?
[b]System administrator of the Prof Essex’ group[/b]
or should I use
[b]System administrator of the Prof Essex’s group[/b]

I would go for the latter but I'd rather double check.

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Posted : 11/09/2010 8:25 pm
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The first one doesn't mean anything. Even with the "'s" in the second line, it's a rather poor sentence. Is 'Prof' an abbreviation? Would 'system administrator [b]for[/b] the... group' not be better?


 
Posted : 11/09/2010 8:35 pm
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System administrator[b] for[/b] David [i]Essex's[/i] [b]group[/b] sex parties


 
Posted : 11/09/2010 8:37 pm
 juan
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Good point. Prof is the abbreviation of Professor. I like the for better than the of
Cheers 😀


 
Posted : 11/09/2010 8:37 pm
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later apostrophe only is when the word ends on s because it is a plural

however with names ending in s [smiths jones etc] either use is acceptable


 
Posted : 11/09/2010 8:37 pm
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You only drop the possessive 's' for a plural that ends in 's'. Viz the following sentence: Tom Jones's voice pleases Essex's ladies' ears, but babies' and children's voices do not.


 
Posted : 11/09/2010 8:39 pm
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An abbreviation needs a period, so the sentence, as I understand it, should read:

System administrator for Prof. Essex's group.


 
Posted : 11/09/2010 8:40 pm
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Beat me to it fish


 
Posted : 11/09/2010 9:01 pm
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Plenty of written style guides omit the full stop(s) from abbreviations these days, especially salutations.


 
Posted : 11/09/2010 9:23 pm
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Period? WTF is a period? Americanisms <sigh> thread merge or what..?


 
Posted : 11/09/2010 9:31 pm
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It's not an Americanism at all. The term [i]period[/i] means a mark of finality; hence it is used to mark an abbreviation so that he reader knows that a term is complete and not inadvertently missing any letters. Americans use the term [i]period[/i], deliberately referring to it, to emphasise the finality of the point that they are making - in the same way that somebody might say ".... end of story". So the use of the word [i]period[/i] in that way at the end of sentence [u]may[/u] be considered an Americanism; but the term itself is perfectly normal in English, even if it doesn't form part of your own vocabulary.


 
Posted : 12/09/2010 9:42 am
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I know I probably didn't pay quite as much attention as maybe I should have at school, but never once do I recall a full stop being referred to as a period.


 
Posted : 12/09/2010 9:49 am
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3 fish speaks the truth. Full stop or period is UK english though it is more associated with US English it is perfectly correct usage esp in grammar.


 
Posted : 12/09/2010 10:09 am
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Being correct isn't the same as being acceptable.

If a Frenchman asked me what the English for [i]poubelle[/i] was I would answer "dustbin" not "garbage can".

boblo is correct imo, there is no reason to use the term [i]period[/i] when there is a perfectly acceptable and universally used British term.


 
Posted : 12/09/2010 12:05 pm
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perfectly acceptable and universally used British term.

you are just seeing american exapnsionist Imperilaism in grammar now 😉 It is a perfectly acceptable British term in grammar.
As an aside can you be correct and unacceptable in grammar?


 
Posted : 12/09/2010 12:22 pm
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It is a perfectly acceptable British term in grammar.

I will have to disagree, full stop BrE, period AmE. I can't find anything that says otherwise.

As an aside can you be correct and unacceptable in grammar?

Splitting the infinitive?


 
Posted : 12/09/2010 12:36 pm
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nice suggestion like it
http://www.examples-help.org.uk/punctuation/period.htm
uk web address and on internet must be true 😉


 
Posted : 12/09/2010 10:52 pm
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A period is something girls do.
[i]System administrator of the Prof Essex’ group
or should I use
System administrator of the Prof Essex’s group[/i]

You should use 'System administrator of Prof. Essex's group.'


 
Posted : 12/09/2010 10:58 pm
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From your link Junkyard :

[i][b]"Referred to as a Full Stop in the U.K."[/i][/b]


 
Posted : 12/09/2010 11:00 pm
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unlike you ernie I will admit an error


 
Posted : 12/09/2010 11:05 pm
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I'm happy to admit to an error.

What error do you want me to admit to ?


 
Posted : 12/09/2010 11:10 pm
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Plenty of written style guides omit the full stop(s) from abbreviations these days, especially salutations.

AIUI you use a full stop when there is a bit missing at the end, so - Prof.

But not when there is no bit missing at the end, so - Mr


 
Posted : 13/09/2010 7:52 am
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Being correct isn't the same as being acceptable.

If a Frenchman asked me what the English for poubelle was I would answer "dustbin" not "garbage can".

boblo is correct imo, there is no reason to use the term period when there is a perfectly acceptable and universally used British term

Does this [i]really [/i]bother you ernie, or are you just trolling? 😕


 
Posted : 13/09/2010 8:16 am
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Does this really bother you ernie, or are you just trolling?

No it doesn't really bother me, and no I'm not trolling either.

I just happen to think boblo's comment was valid. Add to that the fact juan is trying to get his head round the eccentricities of the English language, I don't think it helps to complicate matters for him by using American terms quite unnecessarily.

Personally I can't understand why all the fuss caused by pointing out that in Britain the term "full stop" is used
.......but there you go, eh


 
Posted : 13/09/2010 5:02 pm
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Junkyard - Member

nice suggestion like it
http://www.examples-help.org.uk/punctuation/period.htm
uk web address and on internet must be true

But a little reading pulls up "analyzing" suggesting the page is written by an American. 😉


 
Posted : 13/09/2010 5:08 pm
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Ok, correct the grammar here:

Lots of people posting on this STW thread are just being pedantic farquhars


 
Posted : 13/09/2010 5:09 pm
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[s]Lots of[/s]Some people posting on this STW thread are just [s]being pedantic farquhars [/s] having fun

Sorted 🙄


 
Posted : 13/09/2010 5:11 pm
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Smartass! 😆


 
Posted : 13/09/2010 5:20 pm
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Yup!


 
Posted : 13/09/2010 5:21 pm
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Personally I can't understand why all the fuss caused by pointing out that in Britain the term "full stop" is used.

I was in Britain when I used the term [i]period[/i]; therefore, in Britain both terms are used.


 
Posted : 13/09/2010 5:27 pm