[Closed] And still BP's...

I read them all.

http://www.hazards.org/bp/

http://blog.riskmetrics.com/esg/2010/04/bp-spill-safety-record.html

[i]Environmental and safety record

In recent years, BP has had one of the worst safety records of any oil company. Two US BP oil refineries accounted for 97 percent of all “egregious willful violations” issued by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to any offenders from June 2007 to February 2010, according to an analysis by the Center for Public Integrity watchdog group. The two refineries are located in Texas City, Texas and Toledo, Ohio. According to OSHA’s database, the citations included 760 “willful egregious citations”, 69 “willful citations”, and 30 “serious citations.” In the report, Jordan Barab, deputy assistant secretary of labor at OSHA, said “The only thing you can conclude is that BP has a serious, systemic safety problem in their company." [71][72][/i]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/6470162/BP-fined-record-87m-for-life-threatening-safety-failings.html

Apparently I'm an ill informed ranting idiotic tw4t that know nothing though...

MS - Materials Engineering, Swansea 1994-97 - carry on ranting little man.

Mat, you've become a WELL informed ranting idiot.. take a step back!

Surf-Mat - Member
cynic - self ownage? Are you a complete retard? I don't need to ask really do I?

Looks like i need to explain. You are getting a proper roasting from all sides on this thread after wandering about the place arguing with whoever will listen and telling everyone how great your life is etc.

I'd call that classic self-pwnage, and asking me if I am a retard hardly deflects my point. This internet forum arguing really makes me laugh sometimes.

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YEAH.

At the moment we are at the 'warning' stage. Lets not go any further.

Hang on al - so would I be right in thinking you're just taking the opportunity to have a pop (just like a number of others keyboard warriors) because I have somehow upset you? Please point out a SINGLE example of me telling everyone how great my life is on this thread? There isn't one is there?

You've just taken it upon yourself to carefully look for opportunities to have a go because you are sat behind a keyboard and have found someone that actually does stuff rather than just bleating about it. Your username speaks volumes - the "crazy" forum cynic who loves to be confrontational.

What are you like in real life? What do you do? I can take very educated guesses.

Sorry Mark but if you can't stand a little debate then ban away. I really couldn't give a stuff if you think this thread requires a warning.

It's the internet, not primary school.

Cheerio.

Matt - for the very last time:

BP is a global company and has a very good reputation for health & safety in the industry. OSHA have been on BP's case in the states since the Texas city explosion.

You can choose to ignore what a number of oil and gas safety professionals are telling you on this thread if you wish, none of us have an axe to grind with you (well, i certainly don't). I have absolutely no desire to defend BP or any other company if critisism about their safety management is justified. In this case it isn't.

oh and listen to molgrips, he is talking more sense than anyone else

Matt I didn't say you'd said anything about your life on this thread did I? I was referring to other posts.

As for having a pop, my point is you come across as pretty much like the folk you are having a go at on here. Would you really need to have a go at them if you were such a "do-er"? You've upset the mods now - QED.

In real life I am not as argumentative for sure, it's less fun. And I've been pretty lazy recently for sure.

So do I come across as a BP executive somehow?! Now that is odd.

Fair enough on the other points and TBH, I love a good debate, even if no one agrees with me 😉

You really are a twit Matt

Booo! He's become a bit reasonable!

Thank you Oli. Now please tell me about MTB riding in Norfolk... 😉

[i]Norfolk's topography is largely gentle and understated, but it is by no means as flat as is often claimed. Bounded on three sides by the sea and the Wash fenlands, its subtle diversity and beauty is matched by a fascinating human heritage. People can live almost anywhere in the county except on the marshlands:[/i]

EXTREME MTB TERRAIN MAAAN!

Now about those Dutch downhill skiers...

I just can't take it when someone insults my local topography!

I refer you to my previous post.

STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD NOW PLEASE

WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STEP AWAAAAY FROM THE KEYBOARD

Thank-you.

I know nothing about oil. But I'm concerned that Surf Mat might use up the world's entire supply of inverted commas at this rate.

actually, i have to confess that the deepwater Horizon cock-up is my fault.

it's true, i did it. every time i complain about high oil prices (whilst filling up on my way to the alps), everytime i complain about expensive food, and expensive shiny bike bits, i'm piling on a bit more pressure to oil companies to drill a little deeper, cut a few corners, and explore ever more marginal oil fields.

we can punish BP, we can talk about all the things that went wrong, but the truth is, the biggest mistake that BP made was running out of luck.

why do you think BP are even attempting to extract oil from beneath a mile of ocean? - because I told them to.

why would BP cut corners? - because I told them to.

and it's your fault too, all of you.

we will carry on using oil, and we will carry on saying that we care about the environment, and we will carry on buying the cheapest fuel we can find.

we're all hypocrites.

sleep easy now.

X

Well Said ahwiles

Changing the subject. What 4x4 All Terrain Vehicle would you recommend for the school run?

So if we all buy clothes (us evil consumers) then we all support Far Eastern sweatshops, even if we don't ever buy from companies that use them?

If we buy food, we support massive scale overseas intensive farming even if we never buy from anywhere (when possible) but local UK produce?

What an utterly stupid argument that by consuming oil then this disaster is "our fault" - some of you really are completely daft.

Yes we live in a capitalist world but we still have CHOICE. Glad to see many of you have fallen for the BS spun by the few - the few that make a fortune out of the rather gullible many.

If higher oil prices mean safer practises, I'll happily pay them. If it means some suffer from the rises, so be it.

That's "practices".

So if we all buy clothes (us evil consumers) then we all support Far Eastern sweatshops, even if we don't ever buy from companies that use them?

If we buy food, we support massive scale overseas intensive farming even if we never buy from anywhere (when possible) but local UK produce?

Can you be so sure the same is the case when you buy fuel, or anything else which relies on oil? If you really are happy to pay more for oil then you might be excused, but I'm not convinced you've actually thought such a stance through properly.

I could of course just be a keyboard warrior and know nothing at all about global economic practices, but please present your credentials before you start questioning mine.

I could of course just be a keyboard warrior and know nothing at all about global economic practices,[b] but please present your credentials before you start questioning mine.[/b]

Please point out where I have questioned your credentials?

I would be happy to pay more for fuel if it meant better safety for the environment.

As for sourcing oil/fuel - I don't use BP for my fuel. However they may supply oil for other raw materials which I use - I plan to find out who they supply and try to avoid this.

I like the way there is a special breed of keyboard warrior on here - too scared to even post under a user name, they insult by tagging a thread.

Oh very dear.

Get a spine some of you.

Please point out where I have questioned your credentials?

As for sourcing oil/fuel - I don't use BP for my fuel.

I think a lot of people here are keyboard warriors who just love to try and one up people behind the safety of their keyboards while they try and avoid doing their IT admin jobs.

I think if you go back to an earlier post, i stated that i'm a Quality, Health, Safety & Environmental Advisor for an oil exploration drilling company.

Makes me quite possibly more qualified to comment than you....no?

Like the scab you cannot stop itching i decided to check up on this after my ride and i honestly cannot believe they banned such a bright button from bikeradar - were your ideas as radical there ?

Makes me quite possibly more qualified to comment than you....no?

For your company, yes, for others - quite possibly not. Think of a Jaguar engineer commenting on a Mercedes...

And sorry for not specifically naming you in my "qualified" list earlier - it clearly hurt your feelings.

Aracer - in most cases yes I do know. And for those I don't know about, I'll find out.

Anyway good to know that 95% of you here think this disaster is just a by product of our greed for oil. Good to know you plan to do nothing about it but explain it away with dubious "facts."

Good to know that none of you gives a flying **** while at the same time attempting to belittle (and failing dismally) someone that does give a sh1t.

If only everyone was like all of you eh?

For your company, yes, for others - quite possibly not. Think of a Jaguar engineer commenting on a Mercedes...

Assuming that is aimed at me...i'll quantify with an earlier statement:

I've experienced the safety attitude and performance of most operators and BP are up there with the best (although admitedly, none are perfect), within the regions i have covered.

You really have no idea do you? Keep surfing dude and ignore the reality of the world around you!!!

And sorry for not specifically naming you in my "qualified" list earlier - it clearly hurt your feelings

Actually, i didn't notice. I'm quite secure...so don't worry 'bout me! 😀

Exactly what are we meant to do? Take BP to the cleaners, and make them bust? That would result in thousands of jobs lost.

Supporting BP to clean up the oil, find out why it happened and learn from it is the sensible route rather than boycotting them all together.

But what would I know, i'm just a student afterall! 😆

I think I agree with Surf_Mat - It would be a good thing if there were fewer people like him and more like me.

I think it's about time that the US bore the brunt of some of the detrimental environmental effects of it's oil usage policies.

So future - did you not click on ANY of my links about BPs safety record? Are you blind? It would appear so.

I found this link interesting even if it's not the most reliable source:

http://mashable.com/2010/06/08/bp-oil-spill-google/

Seems like an eminently sensible thing for BP to do.

Surf, the article shows that BP have shown initiative. Losing millions per day, so if they can get some money back all be it from there oil spill i think that is a great idea.

I think it would be very amusing if Transocean were actually the ones that were to blame, would you still have the same opinion of BP then? (just a question).

So surf-mat - what do you suggest they should have done? Bearing in mind that the time machine hasnt been invented yet.

I just said that article was interesting - I didn't comment any further.

My issue is with the appearance of greater concern for shareholders dividends by BP's senior execs than of sorting out the oil spill. Accidents happen, it's a dangerous industry, things go wrong.

But to then very publicly announce such great concern on dividend payments while spending months unsuccessfully attempting to correct the error is in pretty poor taste.

Sure once the spill is cleaned up (if it ever is) then shout about investors worries but while it's still happening, how about channelling every single company resource available into fixing it?

I'll leave it there for now - for a similar debate just go:

You just dont get it do you!

Surely channeling every company resource into it would make it worse. Its not money that is the problem.

The two relief wells being drilled at the moment are imo the solution in the long term, but they will take time, you can't speed them up no matter how much money you throw at them. BP have to manage the ongoing drama, they have tries many different things and will keep trying until a temporary fix is in place.

Throwing money at it isn't wise, and you need the shareholders to believe that they will get money back in the future, its still a business afterall!

If you want BP to fix it, then you also want BP to remain viable in the long term. That involves them working on PR amongst other things. Given they doubtless already employ PR people, what do you want them to do exactly, redeploy the PR people to help fix the leak?

News just in ...... Where killing a well with mud doesnt work .....pump money in - but only greenbacks ....

Have heard of tennis balls and coveralls being pumped down to control a well but money .... You should patent that ill let you have it for free.....

The trouble with the tree hugging hippy element of the environmental debate is that they dont actually live in the real world. If we were to do everything they say we would all be dead.

I think Surf-Mats concern is with how BP are handling the PR aspect, and they are doing a terrible job, mainly because of cultural differences in American board rooms vs British board rooms. I think he must comprehend that BP needs to maintain shareholder confidence in order to remain viable and come through this, its just that the messages their PR machine are putting out should be very very different, they really should have hired some American consultants to help Tony Hayward with the American audience. I think if they had a better PR team then Surf-Mat, and 320M Americans would be a lot happier.

Let's move it on to page 4. This is shitting hilarious.

I think Surf-Mats concern is with how BP are handling the PR aspect, and they are doing a terrible job, mainly because of cultural differences in American board rooms vs British board rooms. I think he must comprehend that BP needs to maintain shareholder confidence in order to remain viable and come through this, its just that the messages their PR machine are putting out should be very very different, they really should have hired some American consultants to help Tony Hayward with the American audience. I think if they had a better PR team then Surf-Mat, and 320M Americans would be a lot happier.

Jesus ****ing christ - someone gets it - AT LAST!

Only took 4 pages to get that!

Maybe Surf need better PR too?

Right i will go hide!! 😆

Technically it took 3 pages, but hey, we are trying to save this damn well, so who's counting?? 😆

I've been reading the various threads started about this and now feel compelled to contribute. I work for BP and would like to say everyone feels disappointed this has happened but are doing everything possible to seal this permanently hence the 2 wells currently being drilled. All legitimate claims in GOM will be paid. Some comments the CEO made could have been phrased better but I'm sure anyone would start feeling the pressure after 7 weeks working 7 days a week. Anyone who has worked for bp knows how strict the hse rules are but drilling for oil is an inherently dangerous business. If this upsets you so much I suggest not using your car for the next week (makes no difference not buying bp fuel, all comes through their pipelines) as means of demonstration. Also if they were to get into financial difficulty then you the tax payer will bail them out, which nobody wants. 8% of all pension funds are in bp and make up 6% of the ftse so if they do get into trouble every single one of us will pay in 1 way or another. Obama has come across very anti British during this which is disappointing but is trying to save his own neck.

fwb2006: "... Also if they were to get into financial difficulty then you the tax payer will bail them out, which nobody wants. 8% of all pension funds are in bp and make up 6% of the ftse so if they do get into trouble every single one of us will pay in 1 way or another. ..."

So another gigantic company might get into massive trouble threatening the public for bail out? So everyone suffers in the same boat ... Hhhmmmmm ... nahhh ... let's suffer together and let BP sinks.

It's time like this where everyone suffers that new technology will be
"innovated", otherwise nobody get off their backside. Too comfortable.

As for Obama ... BP drills in his backyard so what is he supposed to do? Say thank you to BP? Of course his neck is on the copping board but I am sure he would rather BP than his.

With regards to the risk of drilling ... hmmm ... the word is risk. So you know the risk, you gambled, you got burnt, so pay up as simple as that rather then giving some lame excuses of strict rules etc. Just like playing roulette someone is going to get it sooner or later ... so it's BP turn this time.

As the Predator (in the movie Predator 2) said ... "shit happens ...".

😈

As for Obama ... BP drills in his backyard so what is he supposed to do? Say thank you to BP? Of course his neck is on the copping board but I am sure he would rather BP than his.

Of course - another posturing politician. Who would expect different?

With regards to the risk of drilling ... hmmm ... the word is risk. So you know the risk, you gambled, you got burnt, so pay up as simple as that rather then giving some lame excuses of strict rules etc. Just like playing roulette someone is going to get it sooner or later ... so it's BP turn this time.

Yep - and that's what they're doing.

However, as a newspaper article pointed out, when this is all over, the only people with the resources to drill in deep water will be supermajors like ... BP. And the only one with experience of handling disasters in deep water will be ... BP.

As for Obama ... BP drills in his backyard so what is he supposed to do? Say thank you to BP? Of course his neck is on the copping board but I am sure he would rather BP than his

Having just lifted the moratorium on drilling in the region, he's acutely aware that a certain amount of shit may well be heading his way.

So Mat, what oil company do you use, and why?

[url= http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/6066673/obamas-antagonism-to-bp-is-rooted-in-desperation-and-prejudice.thtml ]The Spectator[/url]

[url= http://www.theage.com.au/business/bp-should-expose-us-hypocrisy--and-run-20100608-xsov.html ]More reading[/url]

ahwiles - Member

actually, i have to confess that the deepwater Horizon cock-up is my fault.

it's true, i did it. every time i complain about high oil prices (whilst filling up on my way to the alps), everytime i complain about expensive food, and expensive shiny bike bits, i'm piling on a bit more pressure to oil companies to drill a little deeper, cut a few corners, and explore ever more marginal oil fields.

we can punish BP, we can talk about all the things that went wrong, but the truth is, the biggest mistake that BP made was running out of luck.

why do you think BP are even attempting to extract oil from beneath a mile of ocean? - because I told them to.

why would BP cut corners? - because I told them to.

and it's your fault too, all of you.

we will carry on using oil, and we will carry on saying that we care about the environment, and we will carry on buying the cheapest fuel we can find.

we're all hypocrites.

sleep easy now.

X

That is very well said. I've been thinking for a while about this incident and whilst I'm sure lessons will be learnt for the future; the US public so vilifying a company producing a product that their wasteful use of has meant we are now hunting for it in stupid places like this seems a bit rich. This should act as a serious wake up call for all our current concepts of modern life. This stuff will run out and between now and then we will be constantly pushing the boundaries to keep on supplying it.

Depressing thought all around.

ps Good luck Surf-matt in excluding all consequences of BP oil from your day to day life - next spotted grubbing for worms, living in a cave I'd imagine.

So Mat, what oil company do you use, and why?

Mostly Shell because it's the closest...

Penrod explained my views very clearly and concisely. I won't buy BP fuel but I'm sure I'll be using products made with their oil - it's almost impossible to avoid that. That is all.

I'm glad others have now taken the baton and are coming up with some very interesting points. That was the original plan.

I will also avoid using banks I feel raped the UK public, won't buy sweatshop made clothes, will buy veg locally, will avoid products with huge air miles, will continue to work with and promote "green" clients and attempt to try and make a small difference. Clearly this makes me some kind of naive fool - why should I even bother eh?

I won't buy BP fuel

BP branded stations don't just sell BP manfactured fuel. BP branded refineries don't just process BP oil.

Good luck finding non BP fuel.

BP branded stations don't just sell BP manfactured fuel. BP branded refineries don't just process BP oil.

Good luck finding non BP fuel.

Oh really? I never knew that... 🙄

That was the original plan.

Poorly executed - you managed to insult and annoy just about everyone! There are better ways of starting thought provoking discussions.

Seriously though - do Shell or any other company do things systematically better?

But yes, we are all ultimately culpable for this. Even if you bought only Shell fuel, BP would still be forced to drill deep because of that just to compete. It's all our fault for being rampant consumers. You have to face up to that.

yer too right about the PR.. Engineers are good at Engineering but rubbish at PR.

Remember for most US bods they only see brits as bad guys in Hollywood films....brits are always the bad guys and even they use a US actor they always on a brit accent...

brit = bad guy - heeyar shoot the bad guy down

Oh really? I never knew that...

Do you have gas in you home, because guess what?

Surf - Mat.

You think the shareholders are not very important.

You, me and every one of us will do a lot better by BP maintaining their dividend payments. Do you have a pension? How about home insurance or car insurance, maybe you have travel insurance. You may support charities…. where do you think these intuitions invest their monies?

He’s a little bit of info for you…. £1 of every £7 paid by UK companies in dividends is paid by...... BP.

To be fair to Mat, whilst a company the size of BP remaining on the right track is good for all our personal circumstances; our personal circumstances should (and should be seen to) come 2nd to clearing up a mess like this. Making the vast amounts of profit a company like BP makes in the good years (i.e. non disaster years) only really seems justified if it means they are in position to have the cash to sort out these problems when they happen in the bad. It stands to reason that we are all oil consumers and the consequence of the oil industry are accidents like this (or tankers sinking etc) from time to time; so if we all have to take a financial hit for the year (i.e. no dividend this year for our pensions etc) in order for the company to have enough cash to do the job properly, well then so be it.

Do you have gas in you home, because guess what?

Okay let's try an analogy shall we?

A guy hits a family pet dog in his Porsche and it's his fault. There are many witnesses. Instead of worrying about the badly injured dog, he rants about how much his car will cost to fix. It doesn't matter how much he actually worries about the dog - onlookers think he's a selfish pr1ck and hate him.

This IMO is the stance BP has taken.

In a parallel universe, the same guy hits the same dog, rushes out to see if it's okay, calls a vet then deals with the car damage later on.

This is the stance BP SHOULD have taken.

You can all quote "facts" and patronise me until the cows come home but the fact is, this is a disaster, it's destroyed a lot of the environment and the company seen as (even if they aren't) responsible are worrying about shareholders more than the disaster.

It's a bit like bankers taken big bonuses after being bailed out - whether it's right or wrong, it's pi55es everyone right off.

The whole PR thing is bollocks anyway.

The US have been on BP's case for a few years now. I can't remeber the exact stats but something like 95% of OSHAs NCRs in the past 3 years have been on 2 BP sites. Really? I wonder how many other refineries in the US have come under the same scrutiny in the same period?

Lets be clear about what safety violations actually are. It can be as serious as a non functioning safety device or as minor as a signature in the wrong box. OSHA have been crawling all over BP hunting for problems. Had they applied the same levels of manpower and scrutiny to other sites they would have uncovered many of the smae issues.

some context, Note that BP are making the headline but look at the industry performance as whole in Washington state!

There is a major problem with the US administration's attitude to BP and OSHA have been politicised to help drive BP out of the US market.

Seriously though - do Shell or any other company do things systematically better?

In my experience, no they don't.

from NASDAQ:

NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- BP PLC (BP) agreed to pay a $69,200 fine for safety violations found at its Cherry Point refinery in Washington, the state's labor department said Friday.

The 225,000-barrel-a-day plant located near Blaine, Wash., received citations on May 5 for 13 serious safety violations for insufficient process-safety management issues following state inspections. BP also had the option to appeal the citations or request a meeting to discuss them.

Such safety violations are commonly found across the U.S. refining industry, which is the most frequent source of accidents or explosions related to chemical hazards.

"While it is good that BP has decided to correct the hazards without an appeal, we are disturbed that more than 10 years after the explosion that killed six workers at the Equilon refinery, our inspectors are still finding significant safety violations every time we inspect one of the refineries in the state of Washington," said Michael Silverstein, assistant director for the Washington State Department of Labor and Industries' Division of Occupational Safety and Health.

The 1998 Equilon explosion state's deadliest industrial accident until the blast at Tesoro Corp.'s (TSO) refinery nearby in Anacortes that claimed seven lives this past April. Meanwhile, the explosion at BP's Texas City refinery in 2005 was the industry's most destructive accident, killing 15 and injuring 170 people.

Mandatory inspections of Washington State's five oil refineries identified dangerous safety violation across the board.

The inspections at BP's Cherry Point refinery focused on a large hydrocracker processing unit used to process heavy oil into lighter products. Twelve of the violations involved regulations for managing highly hazardous chemicals. The final violation was related to improper machine guarding, but those problems were corrected before the citation has been issued, the labor department's press release said.

That's not a very good analogy though is it. A better one would be a guy hires a porsche with badly maintained brakes and first time out they fail and he hits a family dog and he agrees to pay whatever it takes to make the dog better, even though there is a legal maximum above which he is no liable.

This is what has actually happened.

Yoss - interesting reading - thanks.

BP have enough money for both the clean up and the divi. But not enough for an American lying PR company (it would seem)to make it all sound and look better than it really is, would that really help the situation? While everyone is having a pop/ranting at Tony Hayward for his comments and BP for their possible overall responsibility, there are loads of people working their bollocks off trying to solve the problem. There are companies being asked to supply kit that would normally take over 12 weeks to manufacture in 2 weeks, money no object.

+1

Tony Hayward put his foot in his mouth several times. Hardly a way to judge an entire company's handling of a crisis, is is?

poor bp victimised by the us H&S monkeys

so it has nothing to do with the oil leaks in alaska
the refinery explosion
25 deaths at bp sites in five years etc etc

the rig may have been owned by transocean and work contracted to haliburton

but they are responsible as they take the lions share of the profits, ultimately the buck stops with them

well them and the oil hungry government

if you dont have the technology to efficiently drill a well and be able to fix things when they go wrong then you really shouldnt be drilling there

its not just bps fault, it the us governments too, but it seems that the oil companies and the regulators had too cozy a relationship
just like with the banks!

governments, and electorates are happy to ignore the dangers while times are good

Is that 25 in the US or globally? Where they BP workers or part of a sub contract chain?

frankly Kimbers, 25 deaths at BP sites in five years ain't much when in context...

some figures for the US ONLY: [url] http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5716a3.htm [/url]

scroll down to the 2 tables at the bottom

thats just the 11 deaths on the deepwater horizon and 14 at the texas oil refinery

dunno how many others may have died

but certainly in the texas refinery bps H&S was at fault

but certainly in the texas refinery bps H&S was at fault

i think we're going round in circles now

Kimbers - how many people died at other companies' facilities?

i have no idea but when they die in a large fireball the H&S people tend to take notice

and the 15 who died at texas another 170 were injured

going back to the analogy above BPs fault is that they obviously never checked to see if the brakes were working after they bought a high performance car with 100,000+ miles on the clock.

Surf Mat - very naiive about the fuel distribution and retail business. Have a look around your local geographical region....

... do BP, Shell, Total, Texaco, Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda etc all have a local refinery, distribution hub and road distribution network to support their retail outlets in your region??

No, of course they don't - actually, I'm not sure where the nearest Asda refinery is.

Reallity is, a large proportion of the, say petroleum, leaving a refinery is at a stock grade and shipped to local distribution depots. If Chevron (Texaco) own the nearest / only distribution depot in an area they will supply their own retail sites, plus all the other majors who might not have a local distribution site. Each company then add their own closely guarded blend (comercial secrecy) of additives to create their own fuel brands from the base stock grade petroleum.

Buncefield / Total were mentioned above in respect of H&S prosecutions. That site has had major repercussions in terms of H&S and environmental regulation of fuel storage sites in the UK - but what is not so widely known is that the Buncefield distribution depot was a joint venture of four oil major partners...(Total, Chevron, BP and Shell + the British Pipeline Agency)

Surf mat remember if you come north of Manchester in your car you will need to fill up an extra large fuel tank or tow your own fuel bowser. because everything there will have been down BP's forties pipeline (in fact probably all the fuel in the UK will have been down it with the exception of a few cheap independants)

falkirk-mark... not really. UK refineries are located at major ports so import of crude and export of product is largely market driven.

See below

[url= http://www.greenergy.com/perspectives/UK_oil_supply_chain.pdf ]UK petroleum supply chain[/url]

Look I will try and avoid using it - I realise that's nearly impossible but I will try. Very few BP stations down here anyway but yes, others use their fuel.

Look I will try and avoid using it - I realise that's nearly impossible but I will try. Very few BP stations down here anyway but yes, others use their fuel.

To add to your difficulties, the oil majors have been getting out of retail for years. Most of the forecourts are now franchises that have a particular brand "badge" and are tied in to fuel supply contracts - for fuel that may or may not have come from a BP refinery...

... infact, if you look at the previous link that I posted you will see that BP have / will soon have no UK refining capacity at all.

already the case in the UK

its lookin grim for bp

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10317817.stm

bankrupcy by the end of the year?

http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article217708.ece

bankrupcy by the end of the year?

It must be true if the bookies are predicting it.

http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article217647.ece

http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article216333.ece

Have a look at this then look at the two above, would you believe it they used the law to protect the owners of the Titanic.