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Bit of context.. I work alot from home (for a large bank) and the phone they gave me is hopeless, constantly losing connection, poor signal etc etc. So to solve this during work hours I stick the sim card in my own personal phone which then works fine
Anyhow.. Basically the other day I forgot to switch sim cards after work... So whilst I was using my own phone to access the net, it still had the work sim in it. My phone is connected to the home WiFi so you would expect this to not be an issue other than its clearly dropped the WiFi connection at some point as the mobile data usage went up during this period.
My concern is that I 'may' have accessed some content which would be considered 'not suitable for work' during this time (obviously nothing illegal!!)...and I'm wanting to know if I should be awaiting a phone call from the IT overlords at work.
Should be pointed out that the phone wouldn't have been connected to the work's IT network, only the corporate vodafone network. So the question is does vodafone track your browsing history in this situation. Their privacy policy states it doesn't but this may only apply to private customers, it's not clear. I'm not bothered if the company can tell I've been using data, just that they can't see the sites I've visited. They obviously can't ask to see the phone itself to check browser history as it's my personal property
Cheers folks..
Should be fine. Hope you right arm is not too sore 😉
Probably fine as it's not through the corp network, probably time to invest in a cheap handset for the work sim though
For our Boyd policy they install security software on the phone. They can see everything that is installed app usage, battery level etc. They also have the right to take the device look at anything on it and also wipe all/any data they choose. If it is a bank device I would imagine similar software, encryption and rules.
uou have to have done something really really bad though. Pretty much to get attention you needed to bust data limit then the worst they would do is make you pay unless you were downloading porn etc.
IMO personal device and work device should be different even if it means you have to buy two devices.
If they really wanted to they could ask Vodafone for the web history to explain the extra usage you describe, but that’s pretty unlikely. As the sim was in your phone unless you’ve willingly let work install some device management settings onto your phone they would be unlikely to have easy access to your history.
So the question is does vodafone track your browsing history in this situation.
Almost certainly, thanks to the snooper's charter.
However, unless you work for Vodafone, your employer isn't going to have access to this information (and would probably require a court order to obtain it).
If it is a bank device I would imagine similar software, encryption and rules.
It's my personal phone, but had the work sim in it
they could ask Vodafone for the web history
I have no idea what my data limit is.. The big question for me is do vodafone keep records of Web history. This link appears to suggest that don't.
https://www.vodafone.co.uk/privacy
Your browsing history. We don’t have a history of the sites you browse, as this is limited for a short period of time to enable the connection to be made. If you have given permission, Vodafone may collect the categories of website you have browsed on your mobile, device or PC, for example sports, music or news and use these interests to send you personalised marketing or show you personalised advertising.
I would have thought that if you could just stick the work sim card into another phone without question then your work probably doesn't have all the fancy snooping things like mines does.
I would have thought that if you could just stick the work sim card into another phone without question then your work probably doesn’t have all the fancy snooping things like mines does.
Given the very basic nature of SIM cards, beyond a pin, I’m not sure what other low level security options are available. And it’s not as if the sim would be useful on its own to access company systems, as that sort of access is tied to the handset.
Do those suspenders fit ?
Thats all I want to know..
Ahh I got confused. We have mobile iron on our devices.
if this is not installed you can make calls and look at internet but not access anything you need for work. if it is your own device you should be ok. But you will find out on the billing cycle.
if the device is that crap and they provide it tell them it doesn’t work where you live and see if they give you a better one. They make us buy our work device albeit at a massive discount...
one thing to note is there are lots of people and not so many IT bods so do they have time to actually check up on anything?
Do those suspenders fit ?
Thats all I want to know..
He going to have to take the ball gag off the dwarf he hired to wear them whilst riding him around the living room urged on with a riding crop to get an answer to that question.
SIM cards can't to my knowledge be locked to a specific phone. And they won't be able to tell what websites you visited unless you have company software installed on your own phone.
He going to have to take the ball gag off the dwarf he hired to wear them whilst riding him around the living room urged on with a riding crop to get an answer to that question
So you can see my browsing history as well then?
🙂
It's listed your profile on this new forum unless you choose to turn it off. Did you not get the email? It's the fact you like him to call you 'my probing overlord' I find slightly disturbing.
the worst they would do is make you pay unless you were downloading porn etc.
Oi!Oi! Lads!Lads!Lads!
You’ll be getting those emails about the camera software that was installed and the pictures they have of you pleasuring yourself and how they will forward them to your contacts list unless you pay next 🙂
SIM cards can’t to my knowledge be locked to a specific phone. And they won’t be able to tell what websites you visited unless you have company software installed on your own phone.
Can the find out if they contact Vodafone though? I'm probably worrying about nothing as I can't remember viewing any dwarf porn, so if they can just tell I've been using to much data that's not going to be an issue.. Even if I have to shell out 20 quid or so to cover it.
I'd be hopeful the worst they will find is that I've been looking at 'what are the best tubeless tyres' threads..
The point would be why would they go to the hassle of contacting anyone?
Our IT are generally overwhelmed by the amount of idiots screwing up stuff on a day to day basis.
Not on a wok device means no flag is likely to be raised by IT. If it was nothing illegal not sure why you would be done unless you have a very restrictive fair use policy
I really wouldn’t worry about it, IME employers only care if you rack up big bills, the amount of hassle involved in accessing content isn’t worth the hassle.
Can the find out if they contact Vodafone though? I’m probably worrying about nothing as I can’t remember viewing any dwarf porn, so if they can just tell I’ve been using to much data that’s not going to be an issue.. Even if I have to shell out 20 quid or so to cover it.
No, they can't. Probably logged somewhere by Vodafone if it's a legal requirement but they wouldn't turn it over to your company. They'll be able see how much data you've used & a list of calls and texts you've made, but it will be dates/times/durations/phone numbers only, not the content of messages or what the data was used for.
I really wouldn’t worry about it, IME employers only care if you rack up big bills, the amount of hassle involved in accessing content isn’t worth the hassle.
Agreed they will only check if my usage is particularly high. Issue is I have no idea what my usage would be as standard. I'd expect to run up a bit of data usage usually as my sim use to go in my blackberry and I'd occasionally also use the phone as a hot spot. Not been using the blackberry recently (they don't know that) so that will cover a chunk of data usage
Anyone with a blackberry for work care to check how much data usage they typical use in one month.. I receive roughly 100 mails a day..
For comparison phone is stating 2.4 gb usage so far.. Of which 1.3 gb is browser stuff, the rest appears to have been app updates over the month (so it appears my WiFi is regularly cutting out as I'm connected to home WiFi 95% of the time) Won't be getting any more than this as have now disabled mobile data. If that's fairly typical for a work phone that is synced to work email then all good as won't raise suspicion.
You never used to get this problem when pursuing hedge porn copies of Razzle. Maybe you should consider going retro?
I have a work phone. Have had for many years. My iPad and my Surface Pro is work-provided too. But when the new gadgets come in from Apple or wherever, we’re just handed the sealed boxes to open as if they were ours, and nothing more is ever said until the batteries stop holding their charge and we get new stuff.
At the same time, I know that if I overspend on data or calls, I have to pay for myself. That’s it.
What’s with all the spying you all keep referring to?
I have an Android and iOS device both sync pretty much the same content/apps albeit on over data and on WiFi. The iOS device seems to use a lot more data for the same operations...
anyone else seen this?
So when you see that some criminal googled "how to dispose of a body" in a report about a murder how does that work then.
2.4GB is a lot if they're normally just used for emails. Whether anyone will notice depends on your company's data plan - but either way they still can't see what you used the data for.
Make sure your phone's on WiFi as much as possible, disable app updates and backups over mobile data and it should be fine.
[i]I really wouldn’t worry about it, IME employers only care if you rack up big bills,[/i]
Depends on the employer, at my place its gross miss-conduct and web filters would normally pick it up when accessed from a corporate laptop. But as its only using the sim card and presumably not through corporate VPN or using the company laptop or phone which would have regular content scans, I suspect the odds are in heavily in your favour that it will be overlooked.
If it does result in a formal meeting, you could try the 'my son was using the phone without my knowledge' but that can just open a bigger can of worms (divulging passwords, ensuring you prevent unauthorised use, and also, if you are actually allowed to put the sim card into a personal device!)
No they genuinely can't tell, it's not a case of whether anyone's checking. This is all assuming you don't have any kind of corporate management software installed on your own phone.
If you're browsing over https and not using a proxy, nothing between your device and the website can track the pages, or even website you visited. They might be able to see that your device did a dns request for a domain name, and that your device then had traffic to an ip address that came back, but given a lot of sites have shared hosting (so the ip isn't unique) means Vodafone couldn't track the usage even if they wanted to
The SIM will show the data usage but not the sites that were visited. The browser is on your phone.
Forget about it and it you get called out on the extra data just come clean and tell them you forgot to switch the SIM back to your work phone.
While you're at it ask them for a better phone.
Certainly a modern revision of the danger **** 😁
A quick post on the vodafone forum to ask tells me that neither personal or business account owners can be provided with website details
I can easy explain away the data usage, I'll just say I've been using phone as a hot spot while travelling (which I have), *and has probably been a genuine contributor to my high data.
...just one warning about that excuse: some phone providers used to separate device use from hotspot use and list separately. I have no idea with vodaphone, and certainly not business use, but it’s not something you’d want to be caught lying over.
EDIT: Scratch that, I can’t see how they’d be able to if it’s in your phone and presumably without their carrier settings. I’m thinking of PAYG “unlimited” access that disables tethering as part of the carrier settings
I'm surprised on Vodafone business you could get to dodgy content, they have quite locked-down filters (at least IME), I couldn't even get to the National Lottery web-site as it was deemed gambling (although I think this has since been relaxed). Not sure why your bank would chose to have it unfiltered (or at least open enough to allow you access to pr0n).
But yeah as others have said, they won't even check unless it's part of another investigation (you keep a pr0n stash on company file servers or vastly exceeding data usage etc.) and even then they'd struggle to get enough detail to cause you any worries (or IT bods making bleating noises when you walk past if it was goat pr0n).
What’s with all the spying you all keep referring to?
Many organisations have rules about data and information, if you are accessing it on a device they can monitor it just like any work pc and can install apps to enable this. I know of one who had to block uber as it had the ability to track people which was a bit no for that organisation
It's quite normal for big corporates
I’m surprised on Vodafone business you could get to dodgy content
I doubt they would, even my personal data through ee has a content block. I could easily find out by trying to access something, but I'm not sure I want to try that just incase. As I said I'm pretty sure that I didn't access anything dodgy anyway..