[Closed] All those wingeing about public sector workers and pensions

Not really, you can use exactly the same measure as the private sector should be using, how much time are you carrying out value added work vs non-value added work.

But, the public sector has historically not measured these things. From memory of working at a PCT in the early 2000's, they were only just implementing a methodoloy whereby they calculated the unit cost of hospital treatments.

As TJ implied, a lot of the outputs of the public sector are inherently difficult to attach a number to.

Or try to do something about it

Yeah like strike and screw the country even more, great idea. Well done, they should make you a moderator you're so clever.

Tazzy - you really do seem rather angry these days - and you claimto be well rounded on another thread. resorting to insults? shows the poverty of your argument
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So that'll be no proof then

£35 per hour!

M6ttf

Do you know any private sector skilled experienced dementia care specialist nurses on this forum? or legal qualified welfare counsellors with up to date knowledge of the benefits system?

not some cosseted little fluffy bunny world of easy rides like you tossbags have had

STFU

Well done, they should make you a moderator you're so clever.

Some of these public sector bashers obviously attended Swiss finishing school.....right little charmers.

Possibly a yes to the 2nd one TJ 🙂

You're definitely underpaid for that level of expertise. I earn more than that and don't even have a degree, no pension though 😉

Yeah like strike and screw the country even more, great idea. Well done, they should make you a moderator you're so clever.

Ah good come back. So looks like you begrudge people fighting for something, you must let your employer walk all over you.

bainbrge - Member
CaptJon I apologise I won't have time to answer your specific challenges, except to the extent covered in answering Ernie's challenge below. However there is a useful paper (i.e. one i plagiarised) on this matter at:

TULLETTPREBON.COM "http://www.tullettprebon.com/Documents/strategyinsights/Tim_Morgan_Report_007.pdf"

I think chapter 4 covers this area and is well worth a skim read (I think so anyway).

Thanks for the link. I started reading chapter 4, but i started feeling nauseous. For someone who insists on using a Dr prefix, he doesn't right very academically, nor does he back up many of his assertions (that i could make out from a brief look): far too many uses words like 'bungled' for my taste.

Here's a nice picture:

Why is this so bickery? If you're in the private sector and public sector want to strike, then fine deal with it! I just don't get it?

Are we jealous?

Maybe People are just too selfish, we value our own convinience over others welfare?

( can I exclude tube drivers who are a set of profiteering wazzock pants! )

Maybe People are just too selfish, we value our own convinience over others welfare?

just had a rite arguement with my missus ( well i say missus, she just asked me to leave !!) about this.

i agree with poster on this one.

i agree with poster on this one.

And which one did your missus agree with ?

And which one did your missus agree with ?

I hope it was me, is she fit?

she is a nurse !! and her family work for the council

and i PAY the mortgage, so im staying

i PAY the mortgage, so im staying

I admire your confidence 😉

For someone who insists on using a Dr prefix, he doesn't right very academically

Thankyou, that made me smile 🙂

STFU

Thats a cheap shot. or is it cheep. 😉

or legal qualified welfare counsellors with up to date knowledge of the benefits system?

So, if we simplify the benefits system, she could be out of a job, yes?

I really can't understand why some private sector workers want to see public sector workers get shafted just like "we" have over the last 30 years.

I really can't understand why some private sector workers want to see public sector workers get shafted just like "we" have over the last 30 years.

Zulu-Eleven - have you found any evidence to back your claim that :

[i]"a number of areas of civil service & local government recruitment has shown that the chief factor in selection was not quality, but ability to tick a minority box"[/i]

or are you still looking ?

CaptJon I apologise I won't have time to answer your specific challenges, except to the extent covered in answering Ernie's challenge below. However there is a useful paper (i.e. one i plagiarised) on this matter at:
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TULLETTPREBON.COM "http://www.tullettprebon.com/Documents/strategyinsights/Tim_Morgan_Report_007.pdf"

I think chapter 4 covers this area and is well worth a skim read (I think so anyway).

Of course, Tullet-Prebon, being one if the world's largest money exchangers (i.e. bank), would have an entirely unbiased opinion on these matters. I would tend not to skim read such articles and question their credibilty before using it as a quote. It's basically utter buncum that seeks to divert attention from the out and out greed in global banking. Greed that has created the global recession, and not the pension schemes of a few public sector workers.

Ernie - to quote TJ:

So if we know its there but can't prove it it didn't happen 🙄

😉

Crikey. 😆

So you couldn't find any then ?

Fair enough.......no surprise there.

Ernie

Thats not the point - you are claiming as we cannot show a direct casual link then it didn't happen.

We cannot show a direct casual link between an individuals lung cancer and their smoking - however we know its there.

😆

I hated my time in public sector. I didn't get the job based on skills, passing the silly exams did the job. When I was there there was the status quo and nobody would change that. Everyone was grey. Everyone was very dull.

There were some very bright people there and no mistake, some real geniouses and there were the odd characters who had a bit more panaz, I'm friends with a few still but generally nipping down the paper shop on a Sunday was the height of excitement for them.

One guy told me he used to be into cycling but then one day he was riding up a hill and thought, 'sod that, it's too much like hard work' and never rode a bike again. Which pretty much summed up my experiences in the public sector.

(Obviously this only applies to the little part I had contact with)

RichPenny - Member
I earn more than that and don't even have a degree

People think a degree is a right to riches, your entitled to earn more if you have a degree.

Thats not the point - you are claiming as we cannot show a direct casual link then it didn't happen.

We cannot show a direct casual link between an individuals lung cancer and their smoking - however we know its there

Why are you quoting someone else to me Zulu-Eleven ?

To cover your embarrassment ?

BTW, did you see your political guru Dan Hannan on Question Time tonight ?

🙄

What's the rolling eyes for Z-11 ? It's unusually for you to be lost for words.

So anyway tell me, why are you quoting someone else to me ? If it's not to cover your embarrassment, why are you doing it ?

Do you know any private sector skilled experienced dementia care specialist nurses on this forum? or legal qualified welfare counsellors with up to date knowledge of the benefits system?

A lot of families look after their elderly relatives simply out of love or a sense of duty. As with raising children, experience helps, but I suspect most of us have the relevant skills.

Information on benefit entitlements is available on the internet, and I am fairly certain there is a calculator / test exercise. I've helped a few people by sense checking tax credit forms, and while you need to review what you are claiming regularly, its not that complicated.

dmjb4

That is simply laughable.

Now I'm starting to feel sorry for dmjb4 😐

That won't do ernie. Getting soft in your dotage? I know a man who can help

Will he do it simply out of love and a sense of duty ?

enfht - Member
Or try to do something about it
Yeah like strike and screw the country even more, great idea. Well done, they should make you a moderator you're so clever.

After the strike, why don't you let the kids stay at home and [b]YOU[/b] go to school?

dmjb4 has a point though, take my job for example anyone who has got their first aid badge when they were in Cubs can do it. Then read up a bit on the internet, plus they once put a Mr Bump plaster on their brother. Best of all they did it for free.

Can't speak for the public sector in general but the NHS certainly knows how to throw a lot of resource at projects.
We sell and deploy [non clinical] equipment into all sorts of businesses including half a dozen NHS trusts.
A simple project update meeting will normally inc 2 from our side and 2 from the client's side, unless it's an NHS trust.
They tend to come in mob handed, 5,6 or 7 of them for a simple update, the assistants seem to have assistants. If the meeting is at our office, it'll often be a night out for them too.
It's also quite off-putting that they'll often send a totally different team to subsequent meetings
The contrast is really quite startling between delivering into an NHS trust Vs a normal business.
They aren't very keen on post project parties though 🙂

TandemJeremy - Member
M6ttf
Do you know any private sector skilled experienced dementia care specialist nurses on this forum? or legal qualified welfare counsellors with up to date knowledge of the benefits system?
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Question with a question?

I asked you to provide proof that no one in the private sector could carry out your (or your saintly other half) duties as well as you.

Can't speak for the public sector in general but the NHS certainly knows how to throw a lot of resource at projects.
We sell and deploy [non clinical] equipment into all sorts of businesses including half a dozen NHS trusts.
A simple project update meeting will normally inc 2 from our side and 2 from the client's side, unless it's an NHS trust.
They tend to come in mob handed, 5,6 or 7 of them for a simple update, the assistants seem to have assistants. If the meeting is at our office, it'll often be a night out for them too.
It's also quite off-putting that they'll often send a totally different team to subsequent meetings
The contrast is really quite startling between delivering into an NHS trust Vs a normal business.
They aren't very keen on post project parties though

I found quite the opposite when I worked for the NHS, travel and overnights were scrutinised fiercely, in fact it was too much and quite a pain in the arse.
As for meetings, any private sector company could save a fortune in middle management time costs just by removing powerpoint off their PC's.

You would end up swapping guns every five minutes and being shot!!

Watching Weaponology on Quest. I think I'd go for the M4 carbine.