I live in a terrace. Next door but one have taken it upon themselves to build a ... structure on top of their garage. It's maybe six foot high (above the garage) and with a floorplan the size of the entire garage, constructed fairly randomly out of lengths of 4x2, fence panels and chicken wire, and appears to be a pigeon loft.
1) would this sort of thing require planning permission,
2) AIBU in thinking "WTF" and objecting on the principle that it's a bloody eyesore or am I just being a curtain-twitching grumpy neighbour,
3) what would an Asian family want with a pigeon coop? Whilst I live in East Lancashire they hardly fit with the stereotype of racing pigeons, whippets and cloth caps.
Point 3) is going to set the cat amongst....
Takeaway owners ?
Perhaps it's a pig pen. Er no. Wait.
Samsung phone test facility?
1) ask the council
2) all 3
3) call UKIP (the friendly arm of the casual racist society)
Asian family
We've not had a repigeon thread for a while.
Can you not just casually ask them what it's for in a friendly neighbourly manner
And then decide whether or not you want the thing burning down
1) ask the council
I was trying to gauge whether it was worth bothering the council first, hence the question.
3) call UKIP (the friendly arm of the casual racist society)
I mentioned brown people ergo I'm racist. Good work.
The point in 3) was, is there some cultural thing that I'm not aware of? Owning pigeons is the sort of thing I expect my granddad might've done, but I've never heard of pigeon fancying being big in the Asian community. I was looking for an explanation rather than cheap shots.
Thought garden sheds and structures had to be below 2.5m if they're close to the boundary, I'm guessing as it's a terrace then it's going to be close to the boundary.
Not unreasonable to want it removed on the grounds of it being an eyesore, 6' above a garage (so probably 12' total) is a big structure for a back garden and they are taking the piss regardless of how much they love pigeons.
It's probably adjoining next door but two, yes.
12' isn't a bad estimation.
I'll take a photo in the daylight tomorrow.
Maybe the fancy giving it a go.... as for ask the council it's the simplest and quickest as it will probably depend on a lot of stuff like local dev guidelines and if it's actually well enough made.
if it's actually well enough made.
It looks like a hobbyist build. It's triangulated and all, but the joints are... optimistic.
what would an Asian family want with a pigeon coop
chickens rather than pigeons is probably the answer
not uncommon in rochdale.. you ll see a change of use to a domestic dwelling but still a garage in the coming weeks/months. i ve dealt with four in the last couple of years. all added windows/removed garage doors to existing stand alone garages then added pitched rather than flat roofs and bingo grandma moved in.. it has to be said 50% of these were 'built' by anglo saxons. i noticed this week that one now has the no. 12a where the garage door used to be. they even put a consevatory on the back for grandad..
pellet gun?
Chinchilla house?
Have you considered asking your neighbour ?
Pics please? 🙂
Im more interested in the use of the Mumsnet acronym AIBU
I don't think you're being unreasonable not to want a shanty structure built next to your house.
Obvious really
They've read McMoonter's work and fancy a pet barn owl
Mumsnet acronyms on STW is a natural evolution.
Are neighbours who do stuff like this genuinely unaware that their neighbours may not welcome such a structure or is it more IDGAS? Either way I wish you luck in getting it removed or cooping with it....
Not meant as a dig BUT on a PC level, at what point do your neighbours become British people rather than Asian?
It will be even more annoying when he sticks his cock in there to wake you up rudely every morning.
I mentioned brown people ergo I'm racist. Good work.
Listen to Mr Touchy!
UKIP have a bit of previous when it comes to irritating people of colour, so not unreasonable to suggest that parachuting them in to deal with your neighbours might be a goer.
And you did mention they were asian...
If it is for hens then you'll have a noise nuisance in no time. This happened on our street when we lived in Leeds. At first it's funny but after a while it's just annoying.
Maybe you need a climbing fox?
*awaits picture*
It's sad that people are trained to be so PC sensitive that the mere mention of a race makes them jump up.
Be a tad smart and decide if something's racist before pointing fingers and shouting'oi!'.
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Not all pigeon fanciers fit the flat cap stereo type and I bet none of his neighbours have got the nerve to complain.
Once it's built arrange a firework display, every night until it's removed.
HTHs
Neighbours, PITA.
chickens rather than pigeons is probably the answer
If it is for hens then you'll have a noise nuisance in no time.
It's pigeons, I've seen them.
Nope I'd call the council. I've got no issue with race nor do you.....but a shantytown pigeon hotel is another matter...
otherwise I have a plan you'll need the following.....
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There's good eating on a pigeon.
Council web sites usually have info about what needs planing permission and what doesn't, I'd do some investigating before calling.
He was sooo careful how he worded it.. and still they called him racist 😆
re: pics. even in Grotty Street that looks rather grotty.
Yes even as one of the liberal leftie wets of STW, I think that's a piss take. No, your comment wasn't racist towards Asians. Yes I would call planning dept. I don't care what the **** that's for TBH. It's not considerate of anyone else.
Health n Safety issue
looks unstable in high winds
blah blah
That would fall foul down here of planning (but then hammering a nail in the wall does).
Website will definitely have the permitted details on there outlining heights, etc.
Looks permanent to me.
The wooden panels are there as a distraction, behind it they'll be a whole steel structure and glass edifice complete with £300,000 artisan staircase and "optimal air flow drying area".
George Clarks shed programme in your area by any chance ??
That could actually be seen as an improvement in that alley...
Council website.
Planning Permission sends me to Building Regulations.
Building Regulations sends me to Planning Permission.
Can't say as I'm totally shocked.
That could actually be seen as an improvement in that alley...
Well yeah, I've said before I don't live in the most salubrious of areas, sadly.
Can't see how that doesnt need planning, I was looking into a new outbuilding for a house we were considering that had no storage and it had to be a certain distance from boundary above a certain height if I remember correctly, that looks to be almost overhanging the alley?
Plus bets on it turning into a rats nest pretty sharpish if they leave chickenfeed in there
[i]No, your comment wasn't racist towards Asians[/i]
Nice to be reassured 😉
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/extensions/
My vote is that it is a potting shed
@cougar - as an ex Sheffield2/Manor and Toxteth resident, that isn't too bad IME....
The man is already on the case..
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If you see this guy hanging around, just back away slowly...
You learn something new everyday. apparently racing pigeons are big in Asia
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That looks like an outdoor sitting area / balcony type thing to me.
Do they have a garden?
bigyinn - Member
That looks like an outdoor sitting area / balcony type thing to me.
Do they have a garden?
Grandma does now......
I'd rather live next to ghost dog than the bald mockney grass..
Cougar - Moderator
Well yeah, I've said before I don't live in the most salubrious of areas, sadly.
Nothing wrong with where you live, bet there far less angst and crime there than many other places.
I've found the finished design sketches.
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you have a choice - either report it to the council - preferably anonymously - or go and chat with the neighbour involved - you cannot do both if you want to preserve good relations.
Use a small wrecking bar (the one below is a fiver in screw fix) and keep taking the small panels off that are accessible from the alley.
Do it tonight... dont let this "build" progress.... thats out of order its massive
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In fact on second thoughts
Just use a milk/beer crate to stand on and a club hammer to smash some holes in it.
Whichever, now have seen pics it's obvious that a puff of strong wind will soon make this thread redundant!
Hang on, we haven't even established if they're the good Asian's or the bad type.
you have a choice - either report it to the council - preferably anonymously - or go and chat with them - you cannot do both if you want to preserve good relations
Eh? If you report it anonymously, of course you can maintain "good relations".
i think they've seen mcmoonters latest teahouse.
If anything that shed improves the view. I'm surprised their isn't a build thread here really, it would fit in nicely.
And... they're obviously integrating with the local culture.
can you see Kevin McCloud anywhere hanging around, talking to camera and then walking out of shot?
As mentioned above it's a balcony/sitting area and needs permission. Ring planning and dob them in, it's an invasion of privacy and local amenity (?) issue.
EDIT 2 storey garden buildings are mentioned in the first lines of the planning portal guidelines. (Can you guess who has just had dealings with such a thing?)
Eh? If you report it anonymously, of course you can maintain "good relations".
He said both. If you report anon and then talk to them (or vice versa) they'll work out who grassed.
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Tie the other end to the back of your motor and floor it !!
Buy a pet sparrowhawk or similar.
If your postcode is H5 N1 I'd be a bit worried.
I'm no expert, but I'd imagine that needs planning. You need planning for a piece of decking / garden platform that is taller than 300mm...
If you report anon and then talk to them (or vice versa) they'll work out who grassed.
They already know (see second photo).
Talk to them?? I wouldn't. Someone who chucks a construction like that on top of their garage is clearly bonkers.
Be a tad smart and decide if something's racist before pointing fingers and shouting'oi!'.
Not racist, perhaps a bit dated in its viewpoint but i really don't think Cougar is racist. Especially given that he live in an Assian community and has made no untoward comments all this time.
Talk to them, mention the regulatory systems etc. They might be unaware of their responsibilities. They already know you took the photos, so it seems bonkers to just report it if you want to retain neighbourly relations.
If you get nowhere, then report it, but try the direct approach first.
Hold your horses. Could be a sex shed, you might be getting an invite.
jekkyl - Member
can you see Kevin McCloud anywhere hanging around, talking to camera and then walking out of shot?
Is your female neighbour pregnant? No woman alive is immune to the fearsomely productive nuts of Kevin McCloud. He doesn't even need to have coitus to fertilise anyone of the female persuasion.
Curtain twitchers of the world unite.
I'd put money on it becoming a one up / one down "bed in shed" for the purposes of accommodating extended family or more likely being rented out on an exploitative basis to vulnerable workers in the black economy. I'd definitely report it to the council's planning department if only to guarantee it's not used for the latter purpose.
😀 You've been spotted..
There is certainly an element of stereotyping/awkwardness in point 3 😕
The OP then goes on to say 'he mentioned brown people' when in fact he mentioned Asians. I think he knows all Asians aren't brown.
The world is changing Grandad, move with the times.
Just5, is that a joke?
perhaps a bit dated in its viewpoint
Dated how? It was a genuine question as to whether there was some sort of cultural / religious significance to keeping pigeons that I was missing, as it's not something I've come across before. I'm not sure how I could've worded any more PC.
'he mentioned brown people'
Oh come on, it's tongue in cheek. How is it PC to refer to white people or black people but not brown people?
all Asians aren't brown.
The ones in question are, unless you're suggesting that all Asians live in that one house.
Look, can we just not get bogged down in nonsense for once? I'm the least judgemental person you'll ever meet. I've friends who are variously white, Asian, Afro-Caribbean, gay, lesbian, bi, confused, trans, and one who thinks he's a wolf and has the outfit and everything.
Good grief.
That looks shonky as...
First winter storm should see that whole thing flying through your kitchen window and that is reason enough to report it to the council (anonymously) to me.
If the council say it is fine then bingo, you have implicit permission to build an adjoining two-storey shed & bike workshop. 😀
This thread reminds me of the boxing matches where the commentator is struggling to identify the boxers for the viewing public: "I'm afraid their shorts are the same colour". One fighter is black, one is white, but they can't say that. 😆