[Closed] A moral question - train refund for delay. Mine or work's?

It's yours. You suffered the delay and inconvenience. That's what the payment compensates

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buy the Mrs a present and sign it with love from your employer...

Keep it you had the mental stress of being late etc not your employer.

Why would you pay it back to work?
Surely the payment is recompense for the inconvenience that you, personally, had to put up with as a result of their failings?

Coke and Hookers it is then.

c). See the malt whisky thread - 2 bottles

(your inconvenience)

Unfortunately that's not a moral question but a question are you defrauding the HMRC as you have you received a benefit in kind.
Our place is quite tight on people using points cards for that reason.
To be fair I agree with the first two, it's compensation for inconvenience.

Dunno about morality, but as a practical matter I'd return it, because unless it's really clear-cut (and the fact that you ask suggests it's not) there will be people at your work who will see things differently from you, and you may pay a much bigger price than 45 quid.

You say the trip was work related. Was your delay-time incurred whilst "on the clock"? If so then your employer paid you for you sitting at the station and the subsequent compensation is theirs.

If the delay(s) meant you employer lost paid work time from you the inconvenience was theirs and therefore they should have the cheque. If the delay meant you got home late and missed out on valuable great British bake off watching time the inconvenience was yours and you should keep it.

Either way I'd keep it as life is too short. Or a charity donation if it makes you feel better without the hassle of paperwork.

charge work £45 for admin to claim the compensation or just ask Accounts if they want it back. Job done and absolved yourself of the moral dilemma

We had the same situation where I used to work (very large UK company with over 40,000 employees world wide) - an employees flight home was delayed (paid for direct by company), he claimed for and was given compensation (quite a bit of it - close to three figures as he claimed for missed appointments etc etc).
Company found out - lawyers became involved and he was disciplined and had to repay all the money (which he had spent!!).

Were you on the clock and being paid? Your time your money, company time company's money. That said in any big corporation it'll likely cost the company more that £45 to administer receiving the money.

Off the clock. Travelling early to get in for the working day.

I think you should pay it to the Radmires fund.

I'm expecting one in the post and had ear marked 'some' of it towards my future trail happiness. Not sure how much yet.

Off the clock. Travelling early to get in for the working day.

And with the delay did you still get there on time?

just take the money and don't tell anyone - everyone wins as you get money, and business never know's.

They would never have claimed for it anyway.

Whenever I think about this type of thing, I quickly remind myself that I work far more hours than I am contracted too, therefore any little recompense is always nice.

I'd offer the money back but frankly any decent manager would tell you to keep it as it will likely cost more than £45 to do the accounting!

Speak to your line manager and ask what you should do with it. Follow their instruction. Maybe ask in an email so you have a record of that decision either way.

Keep it! Rule 1; if a refund is paid and no one is told about it other than you, did a refund get paid?

Anyway, surely the payment that is made by train cos is a contractual refund due to falling outside certain parameters? Don't think it's "compensation", just a rule that must be followed. So therefore, yes, it's your employer's money if they paid for it (even if you paid and then reclaimed from them) and they could pursue you for it if they knew.

But for 45 quid? Your pocket is calling!

just take the money and don't tell anyone - everyone wins as you get money, and business never know's.

They would never have claimed for it anyway.

Whenever I think about this type of thing, I quickly remind myself that I work far more hours than I am contracted too, therefore any little recompense is always nice.

This would be my approach.

I don't offer to pass on my top cash back rewards when booking airport parking for a work trip.

It'll always be in the back of your mind that its not your money (well thats how i'd think) so for the sake of £45 just run it by your boss.

Is it worth potentially loosing your job over?

Do you give them the cashback you get when you buy things on the corporate card and the free nights you get from your hotels.com bookings as well? 😉

I guess you planned the keep it or you wouldn't have filled in the forms.

Personally, I do just that, I work for a small firm and we'd have no problems paying it in, but in a large one run on procedures I bet my balls you'd burn through a lot more that £45 in labour time just trying to refund it, especially given you'd have to cash the cheque yourself and pay it to them.

You could tell HR, but they'd be duty bound to make you jump through a lot of hoops, again wasting time and money.

I'd keep it. It was paid for inconvenience and you suffered it. I get what DrJ is saying. FWIW I got £100 compensation for being bumped from buisness into premium economy (despite being checked in) for a 12hr flight. Myself and my colleague kept the money. The firm got a refund on the ticket price difference.

Option C (or D, or wherever we're upto):

Offer to pay it back, but also submit an overtime sheet for the delay if they ask for it back.

TBH though, I hate traveling with work enough that I'd just keep it. Not too bad when they're paying 45p/mile when 30p of that is profit, but trains I hate.

I'd keep it, in fact I do keep it whenever I claim. I've never even thought of paying it back, that may well make me a bad person.

UPDATE: the official line from work....IT'S MINE!!!! ALL MINE!!!!

Result - i bet you feel relieved now its kosher.

I trouser the compo and don't even consider asking my benevolent employer. I figure there's no way they could ever find out and what they don't know won't hurt them.

I also refuse to carry a company credit card and instead do all spending on my own card, earning rewards as I go, then claim back the expenditure via the expenses system. They do know this and some people grumble because the company gets its own kick-backs from its card provider, but there's some rule that says they can't force me to take a company card so nurrr...

if your posting this in work time, and reading all of the replies, then you probably owe your work more than £45 already. keep it.
#edit - clearly didn't read the last few posts!#edit