[Closed] A Level results day

Waiting on Nat5's and a NC result here too. 🤞

Eldest has been getting tetchy for about a week now. Should have easily done enough but a lot riding on it.

Email results due some time between 8.30 and 9.15, he's meeting up with "she's just a friend" in the afternoon, then he's off to Wales on Wednesday morning with his Jamboree mates* for a week backpacking round Snowdonia.

*including the previous "she's just a friend"

On the other side of the fence. Confidently predicting a deluge of kids who consider they have a poor result who will now believe it is the teacher/school's fault not theirs (or their ability) because more finger pointing is possible this year.

I'm also intrigued to see how the press will handle headlines this year. THe results are going to be stratospheric in comparison to 2019 and in normal times there would be the normal grumblings from the DM/Express etc about dumbing down etc. Will they have some perspective...not so sure.

I feel for teachers this year more than ever. To be fair to my lads 6th form college, they were adamant that every piece if work they did from September may be required for assessment, so the kids knew they needed to knuckle down from then. Some did, some didn't.

There are kids and parents who feel they've been "robbed" every year, but they get no media coverage when assessment is by exams. Will be interesting if the Press manager any sense of proportion around results this year.

My son gets his tomorrow and my daughter will be getting her GCSE results on Thursday. Anxious times ——- for us parents anyway. My two don’t seem bothered at all 🤔

Eldest knew his before school finished.

Daughter waiting for a levels, should do well enough for the next step. Followed by her driving test later in the day. Could be a very good or not day

Eldest knew his before school finished.

Interesting. Our lad knew how he'd performed in the tests, but not how that would be converted to potential grades.

*clicks on the daily mail and rubs thighs*

Scottish system allowed for results to be shared at the end of June with SQA bravely saying they wouldn't alter them. We indicated results which then became official.
England's was a bit more "surprise".

Eldest knew his before school finished

Youngest_oab knew his indicated grades because of the data that school shares termly.

This of course is indication and there may be minor changes in grade as our school went through a process of coursework and test grade comparison at the end of the year.

Middle_oab knows nothing from the college.

Little Miss mogrim has just got her A/S results, not as good as she wanted. Seems she'll have to retake economics in October 🙁

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Son needs one B from Maths or English and his teachers have indicated A's so pretty relaxed here. After all our anxiety and nagging it seems he had it all in hand all along.

Been through this twice now. A morning of nail biting.

Good luck all!

Drum roll please.......

He's only gone and bloody done it - A*, A*, A*

Place confirmed to read Music at Cambridge.

Holy ****ing shit. I'm going to be **** all use for work today.

Bravo!

My boy has gone and got BBA and the Exeter Uni place he wanted. Chuffed!

Looks like he evaded his father's 'can't be arsed' gene 😀

Good luck all!! 👍

Thankfully we don't have that stress today. My daughter dropped out last September to do an apprenticeship. Her school was bloody useless during lockdown with very little support.

Well it's going to sound like I'm making it up but 5 x A* (4 A levels and 1 EPQ) which is setting the bar high for her younger brother.

A real shame she couldn't go into school with her friends to celebrate due to isolation (a close contact tested +ve for Covid) but I'm real happy for her and a testament to the amount of work she put in.

This confirms her place on the Masters course in Geo Physics at Leeds Uni, which is our local so she'll be at home for the next couple of years - year three is abroad. There's still going to be significant amount remote learning and she's a home girl so should work out.

My lad got 3 at A and Maths at A*. Has been accepted at his first choice university, so all good. Just need to get my daughter’s GCSE results on Thursday

Congratulations to all of your offspring.

We'll done all...

However, with this year's pass rate and grades - I do think it just shows the entire education system to be completely insane.

I'm disappointed that this thread isn't accompanied by the mandatory picture of a group of girls jumping in the air. Someone tell the picture desk they're fired.

That really is some going fooman!

Hoping the Press don't go to town on the grades - they've still had to work bloody hard through two disrupted years to get these grades

Well it’s going to sound like I’m making it up but 5 x A* (4 A levels and 1 EPQ) which is setting the bar high for her younger brother.

I think her younger brother may have good reason to be somewhat annoyed when/if schools return to normal and the grades drop back to more normal levels next year.

Sorry but a 7% increase in A grades over last year ..... Really?

However, with this year’s pass rate and grades – I do think it just shows the entire education system to be completely insane.

This.
I wonder if the universities are pulling their hair out not knowing what they're actually going to get in the intake this September?

I read that some were going to have their own entrance exams as A level results couldn't be trusted!

That said, well done to all for getting through a difficult couple of years.

It's such a shame that the uni students have been so screwed by the universities this last 12 months.
At least it seems that the gov are applying pressure to make sure that there's a return to f2f lectures.

What are universities asking for, these days? Outside of Oxford/Cambridge, is it still 3 A levels? Or are they asking for 4 these days? Or is it 3 on the official offer, but you need to be doing 4 to actually get an offer?

(All things I'll be asking my daughter's teachers, but as STW is the fount of all knowledge...)

Our daughter has done well 😃 First had confirmation she had her place at Birmingham to read Human Neuroscience via the UCAS website, and then that she'd got A* in Psychology, A in Chemistry and B in Biology. Uni place was a conditional offer so nothing was assured until this morning.

She's worked bloomin' hard, and the amount of self-learning was crazy. I know if I'd been in this cohort I would have really struggled...I think these guys all need to be gifted a teaching certificate along with their subject grades. Not having a pop at teachers as know they've had a c**p time of it too...

What a relief!

Hoping the Press don’t go to town on the grades – they’ve still had to work bloody hard through two disrupted years to get these grades

Oh, they are, the papers are full of it..... Personally I think the last two years & the results gained just shows one of two things. Either teachers have been over inflating results (more so this year, after last year's fiasco) - or exams aren't a true reflection of worth or effort.

We've constantly been told that our kids, due to the pandemic, are 'the lost generation' for education, how the pandemic has had  various bad effects on our education system etc. - but these results would suggest otherwise. Maybe we should lock our kids in the homes for 50% of every year?

GCSE year next year for my daughter - as long as she gets the grades required to do what she wants with life I'll be happy. I suspect that there will be a huge decline in grades if the lack of attendance alone is anything to go by at my daughter's school.</span>

Well done to everyone who got what they needed, exciting times ahead at Uni.

To those who didn't tell your kids its not the end of the world and they can still do well. I left school with bugger all and went on to get a 1st and I have done pretty well.

We ought to consider keeping all the covid disruption as we have had the best A level results in history 45% of A's So its obviously an effective way of learning 🙂

What are universities asking for, these days? Outside of Oxford/Cambridge, is it still 3 A levels? Or are they asking for 4 these days? Or is it 3 on the official offer, but you need to be doing 4 to actually get an offer?

(All things I’ll be asking my daughter’s teachers, but as STW is the fount of all knowledge…)

Four years ago now, and i think it does vary by course as well as university, but both Cambs and Oxford said that they wanted 3 A* for a course, and when someone asked what if I am doing 4 or 5 A levels, they were told that they would simply expect 4 or 5 A*s. I am not sure there is an advantage in doing more than three A levels. Certainly no uni we looked at for our three (mainly Russel group but some new unis as well) cared about more than 3 A levels.

We’ve constantly been told that our kids, due to the pandemic, are ‘the lost generation’ for education, how the pandemic has had various bad effects on our education system etc. – but these results would suggest otherwise. Maybe we should lock our kids in the homes for 50% of every year?

Please don't conflate the current grades with the knowledge these kids have acquired. They have reached the end of this phase of their education - ready to go on to uni or (with next weeks grades) A levels. We 'need' to somehow grade or differentiate between them so they get onto the right courses. But.......they have not been taught all the same material as usual. Schools have been allowed, nay encouraged, to reduce the content of the courses they have taken. An A grade this year should mean the student has A grade standard competency in that subject but crucially has not been taught or had to demonstrate the range of knowledge pre 2019 pupils had to. If the missed material is pertinent to the next stage of their education (e.g. aspects of the A level chemistry syllabus for someone taking chemistry at uni, but not the missed geography material the same pupil missed that is irrelevant to that chemistry degree course) they will need to catch it up and degree courses (and A level courses) are going to have to build that into their course structures.

This is a nuance I'm not sure the general public or indeed the specific pupils involved have really understood.

Please don’t conflate the current grades with the knowledge these kids have acquired. They have reached the end of this phase of their education – ready to go on to uni or (with next weeks grades) A levels. We ‘need’ to somehow grade or differentiate between them so they get onto the right courses. But…….they have not been taught all the same material as usual. Schools have been allowed, nay encouraged, to reduce the content of the courses they have taken. An A grade this year should mean the student has A grade standard competency in that subject but crucially has not been taught or had to demonstrate the range of knowledge pre 2019 pupils had to. If the missed material is pertinent to the next stage of their education (e.g. aspects of the A level chemistry syllabus for someone taking chemistry at uni, but not the missed geography material the same pupil missed that is irrelevant to that chemistry degree course) they will need to catch it up and degree courses (and A level courses) are going to have to build that into their course structures.

This is a nuance I’m not sure the general public or indeed the specific pupils involved have really understood.

Surely if the net level the grades were all lower to reflect the amount they have learnt, then uni's would reduce requirements and still get the best students. There would then be no confusion when comparing say 2019 results to this years.

That however would not be politically acceptable as parents would see it as their children being let down.

Realistically unless degrees are dumbed down they are going to have to do a lot of catch up in year one. Especially in the more technical subjects, if you are going to study engineering and you maths is not at the right level its going to be an uphill march for a bit. Doable though with the right attitude and work ethic.

I am not sure there is an advantage in doing more than three A levels. Certainly no uni we looked at for our three (mainly Russel group but some new unis as well) cared about more than 3 A levels.

Does make me wonder why schools put kids up for more than 3 exams, then? Insurance policy, do an extra subject and that gives you an additional 25% chance of getting the three grades you need?

Please don’t conflate the current grades with the knowledge these kids have acquired

The exam board people are saying these results can't be compared to other years - mainly because no one had a bad exam day.

Niece got 2x A* and an A. She's in to Durham to do Sociology. And very happy.

Surely if the net level the grades were all lower to reflect the amount they have learnt, then uni’s would reduce requirements and still get the best students. There would then be no confusion when comparing say 2019 results to this years.

yes and no. It's not all about uni. If the system worked perfectly (it won't and hasn't, but then again neither does the normal exams heavy system) and A grade this year would still demonstrate A grade competency in that subject. A concrete example - someone studying English Lit would have written essays in exam conditions of exactly the same eloquence as a 2019 pupil but on say only 2 books instead of 4. As an employer you should be able to see that A grade and know the person in front of you will be able write copy for you of a good standard. If 'the system' had given them a C grade because they had covered less material then I'm not sure that would be fair either.

Realistically unless degrees are dumbed down they are going to have to do a lot of catch up in year one. Especially in the more technical subjects, if you are going to study engineering and you maths is not at the right level its going to be an uphill march for a bit. Doable though with the right attitude and work ethic.

Maybe, yes. And that's why the 'lost generation' moniker is maybe not so far off regardless of the amazeballs grades dished out today.

This is a nuance I’m not sure the general public or indeed the specific pupils involved have really understood.

But isn't that the point?  if this is the case, this years students results  (and for that matter last year and the following 3yrs or so) should all be struck off the annual results system as being under "exceptional circumstances" and individually assessed.

But they won't - and the government (affected students and parents) will herald a great success - for this year at least.

The chart above shared by bigyan just shows how insane our education system is.

Does make me wonder why schools put kids up for more than 3 exams, then? Insurance policy, do an extra subject and that gives you an additional 25% chance of getting the three grades you need?

I'd say it's very poor advice unless they are doing Pure Maths or the 4th A level is their first language (ie. their first language is Italian and they do Italian A level is an extra).

The exam board people are saying these results can’t be compared to other years – mainly because no one had a bad exam day.

This is very true too. In my previous job I used to sit in the common room waiting for the kids to come out of their A level exams. Every session without fail there was one in tears because they realised too late there was another question on the last page they didn't turn over until it was too late, they took a gamble and they didn't revise a topic and it came up; their dog died the night before and they could concentrate; they were just pain knackered and messed up. Last year's utter festering **** up tried to prescribe the 'bad luck' to the poor unfortunates put at the bottom of the rank order by the school for every grade.

But that's a separate issue - your son's 3x A* still disguise the fact that he did not cover the breadth of material of those in years before him. What they do still do is demonstrate a fantastic ability in the subjects and to me that is far more important and what should be celebrated today. Missed material (if still relevant to what they are doing next) can and will be caught up in time.

I’d say it’s very poor advice unless they are doing Pure Maths or the 4th A level is their first language (ie. their first language is Italian and they do Italian A level is an extra).

Well, in my daughter's case it would Spanish, but yes that's her 4th A level. But even then, it still seems poor advice (ignoring Pure Maths for the moment), she'd be better off doing just two subjects + Spanish as that would give her more time to study.

Master OTS has had his Scottish Higher grades confirmed - he's done really well.
That's 2 sets of grades he's had to navigate through this pandemic (Nat 5s last year).
He just needs to work out what he's going to do next - and knuckle down to his Advanced Highers in 6th year.
The SQA hasn't covered itself in glory, but there are a fair few teachers that have been exposed as needing additional support as well.

What they do still do is demonstrate a fantastic ability in the subjects and to me that is far more important and what should be celebrated today. Missed material (if still relevant to what they are doing next) can and will be caught up in time.

Absolutely this 👆

We’ve constantly been told that our kids, due to the pandemic, are ‘the lost generation’ for education, how the pandemic has had various bad effects on our education system etc. – but these results would suggest otherwise. Maybe we should lock our kids in the homes for 50% of every year?

What a bizarre thing to say. Utter twaddle. The results are made up finger in the air judgements made by individual schools with a clear agenda to give their own pupils maximum scores in the certain knowledge that all other schools are doing the same.

And more importantly, the grades are just based on the ( sometimes miniscule) portion of the curriculum that they happen to have been taught this year. So of course they're not getting the full education.

Realistically unless degrees are dumbed down they are going to have to do a lot of catch up in year one.

I thought all first years did that anyway, to bring everyone up to the required level, just might be more now.