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@bikebuoy – crap flounce dude
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@cougar..
Yeah, well I’m not in a good place ATM. So thanks for commenting.
I understand all too well the intricacies of this current political situation. I am up to speed with all the daily issues we’ve read/witnessed.
It wasn’t a flounce per-se’ more a case of nothing more to add, that hasn’t already been said.
Cheers.
Its Friday o’clock...
? Wasn't me.
Daft sod.
Plaid Cymru then? You’re spoilt for choice.
Posted that earlier cougar. Very strong correlations noted in labour swing with education and work.
Very strong correlations noted in Tory swing with lack of education and age.
Very strong correlations noted in Tory swing with lack of education and age.
They just won a load of working class constituencies.
It’s a dearth in the ability/desire to critically analyse what is read on Facebook/Twitter/gutter press/memes shared on WhatsApp that makes people so vulnerable to this modern style of propaganda.
Correlation is entirely predictable I think. Sad.
@Del wrote:
I distinctly remember sturgeon saying that this election wasn’t about Scottish independence before it happened. Funny how quickly things change.
It wasn't! It was about being dragged out of EU against what Scotland voted for, now that looks more than likely that we will be dragged out of EU after yesterdays results.
Why shouldn't we now focus on independence so Scotland can seek joining the EU as a separate nation?
The SNP has the advantage of being Scottish in an English dominated world.
Exactly. Think Catalans, Quebec, Georgia etc. Northern Ireland is going that way if these results are a guide.
They don't even need a slogan, for the most part it's a simple Crosby, type message right in the name.
If it ever happened they'd end up were the UK is now. Once you've lost your USP, you've got to have an actual plan.
? Wasn’t me.
You quoted a bit of my post and answered...
This is a thoroughly depressing read - my hometown.
We just got rid of an excellent local MP (Sue Hayman) and voted in ex-UKIPer.
Well at least the 'spoons at 8am' denizens are happy.
They just won a load of working class constituencies.
That voted leave. The graphic which showed that Lab. lost votes to Con and brexit in strong leave areas and to SNP and Lib Dem in strong remain ones.
That and Cummings literally telling everyone it was about brexit today.
The structural problems in the labour party are absolutely a problem but they weren't the problem this time around. Even the opponents spad is saying that.
It is about winning. If you don’t win it’s because what you have to offer isn’t what people want. In a democracy a politicians job is to do what the people want.
No, in a democracy people choose the politicians whose ideas align with their own. A politicians job is to deliver on their promises if they get chosen
Sturgeon didn't push IndyRef2, that's true. She made it all about stopping Brexit. 75% of people in Scotland voted for parties pledging to stop Brexit or offer a 2nd referendum with a remain option. The SNP couldn't have a stronger mandate to do everything in their power to stop Scotland leaving the EU.
The party who wouldn't shut up about IndyRef2 was the Tories. Voters deserted them.
After 2017 the Tories were quick to jump on the SNP's loss of seats as a sign that independence was dead. By bringing Indyref2 front and centre they've managed to gift the SNP a mandate to pursue independence as one of the options for keeping Scotland in the EU.
The SNP isn’t just about independence. Whenever I do one of those online questionnaires that match your own policies to that of the parties, they always suggest that the SNP are the closest match, yet I’m in England, and don’t want Scotland to break away. I think those over simplifying and claiming the SNP only get support in Scotland because they have Scottish in the name should do more research.
A politicians job is to deliver on their promises if they get chosen
Exactly. I’d add that it’s their job to try to convince/educate the electorate as to why their ideology is attractive too. It’s NOT a principled politician’s job to flap around in the breeze of public opinion trying to please everyone; that’s populism, and leads to dark places.
Great result for the country, affirming the sentiment of the majority. The fact that Labour held seats in predominantly University constituencies resonates their target voters - unqualified, inexperienced, easily influenced, idealistic day dreamers. I was one once. Thankfully the country has elected the best of a bad bunch of dross, given the limited options. Would the markets would have reacted the same way if Corbyn had slipped through the net? I think not. After all, most remainers' main argument seems to be the economy, is it not?
Cougar
Posted that earlier cougar. Very strong correlations noted in labour swing with education and work.
Very strong correlations noted in Tory swing with lack of education and age.
Oh I understand what you guys are saying now. Basically it was the thickies and feeble-minded who don't understand what they are doing that made the difference for the Tories. But wait, weren't these the same morons who put Labour into power in the past? Splitters...
No, in a democracy people choose the politicians whose ideas align with their own.
Replace happy with principled/ideological.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JGrpHszRhTc
You quoted a bit of my post and answered…
Oh, did I? Sorry, my bad then, I don't pay much attention to usernames.
NHS A&E stats released today… and they’re even worse than the last lot, which were already the worst since records began… great timing.
It’s just an age thing. Snowflakes have degrees and snowflakes want free stuff from the old beardy man in red this time of year.
Oh and if people do vote for ideologies, policies and principles - that kind of supports what we’re saying. Obviously they rejected Corbyns in this scenario.
Basically it was the thickies and feeble-minded who don’t understand what they are doing
Don’t forget the terminally selfish and nasty, and sadly decent people who’ve been misled in their droves. Which category do you put yourself in? Seriously, as you only feel able to join the political discourse from the safety of having won, how DO you justify voting for the dishonest, self serving, nasty bunch of **** that you did? Have you got a friend who’s a nurse in Leeds hospital by any chance?
Don’t forget the terminally selfish and nasty, and sadly decent people who’ve been misled in their droves. Which category do you put yourself in? Seriously, as you only feel able to join the political discourse from the safety of having won, how DO you justify voting for the dishonest, self serving, nasty bunch of **** that you did? Have you got a friend who’s a nurse in Leeds hospital by any chance?
Oh no, a non-believer in the echo chamber!
Oh and if people do vote for ideologies, policies and principles
They* don’t. They vote for personalities and sound bites. Doesn’t mean politicians should abandon principles. Just means they need more convincing personalities and better sound bites to sell them with, I guess.
Oh no, a non-believer in the echo chamber!
Absolutely! Pity he didn’t pipe up before really; it wouldn’t have been such an echo chamber then, would it?
*massive generalisation obvs; people vote for lots of reasons
I'm reminded of the old adage that "the only thing worse than a bad loser, is a bad winner"
So when do get to read the investigation into russian political interference?, or will this be canned by boris under his new mandate to do whatever he ****ing wants?
Yeah, there do seem to be a few new names floating around, quiet Tories? Why so quiet before the fact?
Arguing with lefties is not as much fun as you might think.
As an English Conservative voter, I believe the Scots should be given their second referendum. I can't understand why we would or should deny it. Its a win win. The Scottish electorate get their say. If they vote to remain in the UK, they prove pretty decisively they want to stay as there would be two confirming votes in a decade, and Sturgeon would have to leave it alone. If they vote to leave, good on them and good luck, it's their decision. I personally think it would ruin them, but it's not my say and if its what they want, go for it. It won't hurt England at all if they do leave (certainly not in the long run), if anything we'll probably be slightly better off thanks to the Barnet formula.
What are the odds on the report on foreign interference in U.K. vote and democracy seeing the light of day now?
This hasn't been an election in the conventional sense, it's been a meme war!
As an English Conservative voter, I believe the Scots should be given their second referendum. I can’t understand why we would or should deny it. Its a win win. The Scottish electorate get their say. If they vote to remain in the UK, they prove pretty decisively they want to stay as there would be two confirming votes in a decade, and Sturgeon would have to leave it alone. If they vote to leave, good on them and good luck, it’s their decision. I personally think it would ruin them, but it’s not my say and if its what they want, go for it. It won’t hurt England at all if they do leave (certainly not in the long run), if anything we’ll probably be slightly better off thanks to the Barnet formula.
Good call.
Yes, Scotland should have their 2nd referendum and whatever the result so be it.
Good luck to Scotland either way.
The party who wouldn’t shut up about IndyRef2 was the Tories. Voters deserted them.
But Sturgeon said on telly just now it is an indication of IndyRef2? Yes?
One possible plus point of the result is we have a Prime Minister who doesn't really and never has believed in Brexit and is now in no way relying on the votes of the lunatic fringe in is own party. He will have no problem in delivering something far more palatable to those of us who are still wondering what is the problem that Brexit solves. It's not like he'll feel any obligation to do irreparable damage to the economy just to keep JRM and his cronies happy. A smaller Tory majority might have actually have tied him down to what he knows is madness but would have delivered anyway to keep in office. His totally unprincipled approach to life and his willingness to betray absolutely anyone might actually work in our favour.
If Boris goes the full 5 years it will be half a century since any Labour leader apart from Tony Blair won a UK general election. Maybe someone more like Blair and less like Corbyn needed?
Looks like I backed the wrong horse. Should have gone with this for Christmas number 1.
Maybe someone more like Blair and less like Corbyn needed?
Labour will have Keir Starmer as their next leader 🤔
FT beat sky to it with % Blue collar Workers and a correlation of over 70%! But the same underlying reasons.
v8ninety
Basically it was the thickies and feeble-minded who don’t understand what they are doing
Don’t forget the terminally selfish and nasty, and sadly decent people who’ve been misled in their droves. Which category do you put yourself in? Seriously, as you only feel able to join the political discourse from the safety of having won, how DO you justify voting for the dishonest, self serving, nasty bunch of **** that you did? Have you got a friend who’s a nurse in Leeds hospital by any chance?
It's supercilious people like you that make people like me feel that they have to come and let the World know that not everyone is as misguided as you. Who made you Lord high and mighty?
Oh I understand what you guys are saying now. Basically it was the thickies and feeble-minded who don’t understand what they are doing that made the difference for the Tories
No it’s what the data shows, although correlation doesn’t mean causation. It is clear that in leave areas there was a swing to conservative and in remain there was a swing against (11% in mine). The tendency to favour remain or leave had a very strong age and education component, so the result is not at all surprising. It’s not being pejorative. The voters knew exactly what they were voting for (Brexit delivery). Hardened labour voters had this choice made easier by the quality of the Labour leadership. They didn’t trust Corbyn so leant Conservatives their vote to Get Brexit Done. I don’t have a problem with any of that.
No more politics posts from me, I’m out.
It’s every man for himself and **** everyone else. The Tory way.
This was ‘our’ last chance to avert the car crash. No way out now. No Brexit will be hard enough for the racists, no Brexit will be soft enough not to be economically damaging. This fantasy bollocks will not last five minutes when it comes to real negotiations. The only question now is ‘how ****ed are we?’
The world has given up laughing at us, we aren’t worth it any more.
I'm a bad winner for sure. Lefties? Hahahahahahahahahaha suck it up losers! Great day for democracy.
Especially if you're russian ^
Seriously, as you only feel able to join the political discourse from the safety of having won
It is indeed very noticeable that these plamphs only crawl out of the woodwork after they've won
Totally stunned, but sadly not surprised, by the gloaters and taunters crawling out now they've 'won'.
Take a look at yourselves FFS. Unless you're actually five years old this behaviour just makes you look ridiculous...
Just another reflection of the new normal I guess. Welcome to 1930 everyone.
As a teacher I often come here to take my mind off having dealt with kids and their lack of social awareness all day, but in all seriousness I've had many more thoughtful political discussions with 14 year olds today than I'm seeing here from some posters.
(FWIW, in our mock election this week my year group (10) voted 69% Labour, 11% Lib Dem, 11% Green, 8% Conservative and 1% spoiled ballots).