I do think it's preferable to an alternative where Lee whined about it in the press for days and a huge ban was handed out to someone who tried to rectify the issue
Is this not just classic victim blaming a bit like dont rock the boat about drugs in cycling or you shouldnt wear short skirts or its just banter?
Had a welsh player said hey black boy to Itoje they would have been rightly punished. It says a lot about Marler that the question of ethnicity was at the front of his mind. If I was brave enough to try and get Lee to lamp me I'd call him a fat **** because I am slightly fatist
Had a welsh player said hey black boy to Itoje they would have been rightly punished.
There is a massive difference between being racially abused and being abused due to a lifestyle, or did I miss the bit about traveller history where they were sold into slavery, murdered, burned and segregated, and in some cases still are now?
Sorry but there is a world of difference between the two, like really huge.
due to a lifestyle
Ooops.
or did I miss the bit about traveller history where they were sold into slavery, murdered, burned and segregated, and in some cases still are now?
As someone who seems to come across normally as intelligent and balanced, I think you need to reassess what constitutes race.
or did I miss the bit about traveller history where they were sold into slavery, murdered, burned and segregated, and in some cases still are now?
You might want to look at what happened to the Romany community in Europe in the 2nd World War....
Oh well, 172 pages of rugby banter don't let it end up like every other thread on stw.
What tyres for ism's and crap punches on a rugby pitch!!
I think the disciplinary discussion about Marler went something like "c'mon chaps there's a Grand Slam on dontcha know... when will be the next time they get a chance..... and do we even know who the replacement is... best sort this from around 10pm on Saturday... if at all"
Punch was pathetic just means French front row know who to niggle to get a reaction.
This was my first thought too. If we see them get punished for similar things then can we officially rename "New Zealand rules" 😉
A quick Wiki suggests that there are 800,000 Romani in Brazil, BRAZIL?
"c'mon chaps there's a Grand Slam on dontcha know... when will be the next time they get a chance..... and do we even know who the replacement is... best sort this from around 10pm on Saturday... if at all. Now, are there any more of those spiffing biscuits?"
You missed a bit.
Did he treat the panel to some of these?
https://www.fortnumandmason.com/products/peter-rabbit-biscuit-card?taxon_id=817
I do think saying it's OK cos it was in the heat of the moment is an odd reason for not sanctioning.
Anyway, anyone else disappointed that Gatland hasn't taken the chance to bring more young players in for the Italy game? The next World Cup is just around the corner.....
For the record we are not talking about Romany here.
I do think saying it's OK cos it was in the heat of the moment is an odd reason for not sanctioning.
To be fair, we've all ****ted somebody and followed it up with a bit of ethnic abuse in the heat of the moment.
Is this not just classic victim blaming
No, it's classic A_A can't quite bring himself to agree with me.
Sure, he definitely shouldn't have said it. He apologised at the earliest opportunity, and was also bollocked by his boss for it. The apology was accepted. What's the point of punitive action if the matter is already resolved?
Have you never ever said anything you later regretted?
Sure, he definitely shouldn't have said it. He apologised at the earliest opportunity, and was also bollocked by his boss for it. The apology was accepted. What's the point of punitive action if the matter is already resolved?Have you never ever said anything you later regretted?
Yeas, but the press and 'campaigners' need something to latch on and create a massive storm. It wasn't big and clever, but it appears to have been resolved like adults which was enough for the powers that be. Time to move on?
At this point can we quote from Snatch? 😆
Right everybody - having perused these pages the last few month I reckon we need a STW Rugby Thread Code of Conduct so that nobody is ever offended or even mildly irritated.
Here are some suggestions:
Any reference to any previous match results or incidents to be avoided in case it causes any member anxiety, despair or nationalistic/ethnic/rascist outrage.
No admittance that rugby is a physical game and that some of the blokes who play it can be a bit naughty.
The word "gypsy" to be replaced with "decent honest travelling folk".
The ethnic slur "Jock" to be replaced with "J-Word".
The word "sw**ty" to be replaced with "perspiration filled" and only used to refer to actual smelly items of clothing.
The words "Welsh, Scottish, English and Irish" to be replaced with "valued members of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland."
No reference to any colour whatsoever, including describing team shirts.
Everyone has to agree with what everyone else says.
Nothing of any interest to be said at all
That should cover it.....
in other news, Care starts for England.
No other changes.
Twodogs - MemberAnyway, anyone else disappointed that Gatland hasn't taken the chance to bring more young players in for the Italy game? The next World Cup is just around the corner.....
My thoughts exactly. There's an exciting looking young winger down in the Scarlets who could probably do with twenty minutes experience of an international and on current form might be a better starting bet than Amos. (I've totally forgotten his name..) And plenty of back-row options who could do with some experience.
No other changes.
Errr.....except for Vunipola at loosehead with Marler dropping to the bench. 😉
t everybody - having perused these pages the last few month I reckon we need a STW Rugby Thread Code of Conduct so that nobody is ever offended or even mildly irritated.
I seem to upset most people from time to time, does that mean I'm banned ?
Just spoke to Mrs B about the term gypsy, not one she knows as in France they are called "Roma" (from equivalent of Romany). Genuine question, would Roma be offensive as it seems to me closer to calling someone English ?
did I miss the bit about traveller history where they were sold into slavery, murdered, burned and segregated, and in some cases still are now?
You must have done yes.
The apology was accepted. What's the point of punitive action if the matter is already resolved?
Because the public slur offends or potentially does go beyond just Samson when its on national tv.
Could you start another thread about it and and leave this one to discuss rugby?
on current form might be a better starting bet than Amos.
Amos is a quality very young player. I'm happy to see him start. Glad to see Moriarty bench. Not sure who these other back row options are? Little Jiffies little brother is just back from injury, not sure he is international class. Makes Tips look like a power house, cant think of any others demanding selection.
Still we have a 3 test tour in NZ to blood some youngsters this summer...dear god who's idea was that!!
zokes - Still not a customer
Is this not just classic victim blamingNo, it's classic A_A can't quite bring himself to agree with me.
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Did you join this thread just to troll AA? (AGAIN)
Because the public slur offends or potentially does go beyond just Samson when its on national tv.
And punitive action rectifies that how?
I seem to upset most people from time to time, does that mean I'm banned ?
Yes. With time added on for previous bad behaviour. 😆
Still we have a 3 test tour in NZ to blood some youngsters this summer...dear god who's idea was that!!
Probably the same bean-counter who thought playing multiple matches (mostly against Australia) outside the IRB window was also a good idea.
Youngs had a good game against Wales but sill threw some outrageous hospital passes that stalled our attack a few times. I'm glad to see Care start.
And punitive action rectifies that how?
Same as aby other pubishment. Attempts to correct the behaviour of the offender and sends a warning to others who may do the same.
Did you join this thread just to troll AA? (AGAIN)
I requested my ban three pages ago when he arrived!
Wrecker I'm sure you are a regular socialist worker reader but just in case you missed it
https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/25533/A+history+of+racism+against+Travellers+and+Gypsies
Its actually quite interesting.
Youngs had a good game against Wales but sill threw some outrageous hospital passes that stalled our attack a few times. I'm glad to see Care start.
Some of his passing is truly awful; the ball is often lobbed out from a ruck often at head of feet height. It's a running joke with the Tigers fans I work with. Saying that, I agree that he did have one of his better games on Saturday.
It'll be interesting if one of the other 9's gets a shot in the summer - surely Youngs will need a rest. He's played a lot of rugby in the last year.
Youngs had a good game against Wales but sill threw some outrageous hospital passes that stalled our attack a few times. I'm glad to see Care start.
I'd have thought Care was worth a shot earlier as Youngs has been struggling for form for a while now, but he still comes with the risk of missing a 5 on 1 overlap to dive in to the only defender around the edge of a ruck or ruin a kickable penalty by taking it quickly and getting isolated. He does however make things happen (much like Youngs when on form) and have a bit of spark about him... plus if he can throw a decent pass then it wouldn't hurt to have him in 🙂
It'll be interesting if one of the other 9's gets a shot in the summer
As before, I'd love to see Joe Simpson have a decent chance.
Still we have a 3 test tour in NZ to blood some youngsters this summer... yeah, that's going to go well
It's odd, 'cos Gatland used to bring in youngsters...North, Halfpenny(?), and we have the under 20s heading towards a Grand Slam...surely some of them could use exposure at a higher level
Yes Youngs has pace, yes he has a long, quick pass, yes he can play well at times......
But, for me, he goes totally AWOL at crucial times in really big games. Also his passing lacks accuracy and his box kicking is hardly ever contestable.
Youngs and Care have been the two contestants for the 9 jersey for a while now and TBH neither has ever put their hand up enough to claim it. Says it all really.
Joe Simpson has that Simpson-Daniel-esque quality of always being injured when England squads are due to be anounced but hopefully he'll get on the plane to Oz.
There's an exciting looking young winger down in the Scarlets who could probably do with twenty minutes experience of an international and on current form might be a better starting bet than Amos. (I've totally forgotten his name..)
Steffan Evans? He's made some good breaks but the jump from Pro12 is hard to gauge how he'd get on. Jordan Williams would be an interesting one but again probably not a good fit and having a tough time with injuries. Not being 3m tall and 200kg also works against them and every other Welsh winger at the moment 😕
With the Welsh backrow??? Are Shingler, Tiperitch* and Moriaty (Turnball too???) the only capped back rows floating around?
*yes I know that is not the spelling but I'm yet to hear anyone pronounce his name correctly
Baker the Ospreys 8. Good carries shit defence and the ospreys 6/5 whose name escapes me
Ospreys 5/6 - James King?
Steffan Evans? He's made some good breaks but the jump from Pro12 is hard to gauge how he'd get on. Jordan Williams would be an interesting one but again probably not a good fit and having a tough time with injuries. Not being 3m tall and 200kg also works against them and every other Welsh winger at the moment
You're probably right. (And so is a_a but don't tell him. 😀 )
I'd forgotten those two. The team could do with a tour like Japan over the Summer really to take the pressure of the big names due for a rest and give the young guns a chance. I guess the IRB rankings factor in to selecting games against the major SH sides and also TV interest too??? Had a look back at the 2013 tour and Baldwin was a debutant, Liam Williams a fresh faced 22 year old with 3 caps and a 23 year old Biggar had a mere 16 caps to be the second most capped in the squad after Bradley Davies.
. I guess the IRB rankings factor in to selecting games against the major SH sides and also TV interest too???
The latter yes the former most certainly not. Losing 240 000 times to SH big guns in the autumn is a bad thing. Its better to beat Fiji, than lose to Aus.
Just listened to the Jones interview on the BBC and it must be the way that he speaks and his delivery that I find annoying, he's just a bit slow, isn't he?
Not sure about this but his slow speech may be a lasting affect from his stroke
On Youngs:
Some of his passing is truly awful; the ball is often lobbed out from a ruck often at head of feet height. It's a running joke with the Tigers fans I work with. Saying that, I agree that he did have one of his better games on Saturday.
I agree with the first couple of sentences but not the last! I thought he (unusually) had some really good quick ball on Saturday but didn't capitalise on it - often all he needed to do was give a decent quick pass to Ford or Farrell to release the back line. IMO he took it on himself too much and his service was not up to international standard. Good call by EJ to give Care a start.
On Marler's forearm / punch. In the context of the game I don't see how it was illegal let alone a card. He was driving Dan Cole over the the try line, Rob Evans is lieing on his side trying to get his hand under the ball to hold Cole up. Marler strikes Evans on his upper shoulder / chest with his forearm to force him onto his back and prevent him holding Cole up. This picture shows it pretty well: [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35802422 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35802422[/url]
That's absolutely normal in any game - I've done it and had it done to me many times. Surely anyone who's played in the pack beyond schoolboy rugby can say the same thing? The reason he didn't go for the head (in addition to it being illegal obviously...) is that it wouldn't have achieved the aim of controlling the torso and getting Evans away from Cole.
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[b]France:[/b] S Spedding; W Fofana, G Fickou, M Mermoz, V Vakatawa; F Trinh-Duc, M Machenaud; J Poirot, G Guirado, R Slimani, A Flanquart, Y Maestri, D Chouly, B Le Roux, L Goujon.[b]Replacements:[/b] C Chat, U Atonio, X Chiocci, P Jedresiak, W Lauret, S Bezy, J Plisson, M Medard.
Spedding and Trinh-Duc starting should make a world of difference in any other team but France will find a way to be atrociously poor in spite of this. Forwards will hand England penalties throughout and be knackered by 50 minutes for England to push on for a proper score line.
On Marler's forearm / punch. In the context of the game I don't see how it was illegal let alone a card.
That picture was prior to the contact. I don't know how anyone can think it was anything other than a cheap shot to the chin when Evan's head gets rocked back, Marler's elbow ends resting on his chin... and also the bit where you clearly see the forearm and elbow hit the chin 🙂 Add in the stare deep in to Evans's eyes and the timing not in keeping with the flow of play. Marler is hardly the first to ever do anything like this but it's pretty brainless if picked up and a good try reversed.
Just for balance 😉 Glad ol' Liam seems to have grown out of his more blatant spikey ways 😕
The latter yes the former most certainly not. Losing 240 000 times to SH big guns in the autumn is a bad thing. Its better to beat Fiji, than lose to Aus.
Had to check that and there are indeed not IRB ranking points for being heroic in defeat. Shame 😉 🙂
