And another decent commentary.
The Rotherham scandal seems temporarily to have silenced those who insist, every time a child-grooming case is exposed, that most paedophiles are white. Indeed they are; but the Rotherham abusers were not paedophiles. They were men of ****stani heritage slaking their lust on young girls they regarded as white trash because they knew they could get away with it.
LOL that's from Digga's post, so our nonces are proper nonces....[b]*sarcams on*[/b] these muslim nonces...they were just ****s being ****s. [b]*sarcasm off*[/b]
I thought that too Tom.
It's a rather ingenious way of playing down the problem of child abuse by white men as something done by a minority of white men and accuse all Asian men of being child abusers.
Similar tactics have been used by American and South African media outlets to smear or "****ize" the black community and (I really hate to do this) the single most similar example is Joseph Goebbels propaganda campaign.
This painting represents what that author thinks herself as, a thin red line against a horde of brown savages.
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The more i hear about what goes on, the more i believe David Icke is right.Why, did he break the grooming story?
For the record, I don't believe in shape shifting lizards, and this article is questionable, but interesting nonetheless:
http://humansarefree.com/2014/04/7-predictions-of-david-icke-that-came.html
Tom - you clearly have an agenda, which appears to be about minimising the racist element in all of this. Yes, it's probably safe to assume that women from the same cultural / religious background were targeted, though I've read no reports or seen any statistics on this ( don't know if you can suggest a link? ). However, there is no doubt that young non - Muslim women were targeted ( 1400 in case you missed that part ). Sadly, this will play into the hands of the far right, and that's just one aspect of this whole sorry mess that boils my piss. This shouldn't be about political view points or political correctness, but, again, the case appears to be heavily influenced by both. We constantly harp on about the authorities, for whatever reasons, not doing their jobs, and sit here blaming multiculturalism / immigration / left wing / right wing - it's all bollocks, and detracts attention from the evil people that actually committed these crimes, and the 1400 people whose lives are forever ****ed.
I think the concentration on the racial dimension is obscuring the more important element here: Class.
We need to stop focussing on the race of the perpetrators, and start focussing on the class of the victims
Do you think that 1400 nice, middle class kids, from nice areas, would be allowed to be abused? Of course they bloody wouldn't! These kids were effectively abandoned to their fate by authorities who regarded them with almost subhuman contempt. These kids were poor. They were the 'underclass'. They were unworthy of the care of the state, or the authorities, who simply washed their hands of them, or at points actively persecuted them. Same as they did in Rochdale.
Some men, asian or white, or black, or whatever, are sadistic sexual predators. They have radar that picks up on kids who are available to them, as they have no protection. And they target them and exploit them.
I do think there is a problem from a racial point of view. As we have an ethnic group who's culture and religion tells them that ALL women are second class, and their inferiors. ALL females to them fall in varying degrees of importance, from not-very-important at the top, and descending from there.
How do we address that? I haven't a clue. Its endemic in large parts of the culture.
But these men did what that did because they were primarily opportunists. They spotted the complete failure of the white, middle class civic, and judicial society to give a flying **** about what they now regard as an underclass, due to years of dehumanising, demonising, and vitriolic chastising, by successive governments and a truly vile right wing press. Who ironically are now outraged at this state of affairs.
Race is an issue here, sure. But its class that is the root cause of this problem. And thats what needs to be addressed here! And fast!
Filthy scum who deserve to swing did terrible things to hundreds of vulnerable children for over a decade under the noses of the authorities who's very existence was to protect these children.
But they chose to ignore it despite well founded suspions at least and direct knowledge at most because they thought they lived in a society where being a racist was the worst kind of scum and when racist would be used to describe anyone who disagreed with how other people of different heritage lived or behaved .
It does not matter what race the perpetrators were or what colour the children were.
But how society allowed it self to get so ****ed up to allow political correctness to overrule all else at the expense of these children.
http://www.easterneye.eu/news/uk-news/Vulnerable+Asian+girls+targeted+by+sex+grooming+gangs++/2858
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28951612
Most of the victims in the cases examined were white British girls, but the report found the abuse of Asian girls was not necessarily reported.Zlakha Ahmed, from the organisation Apna Haq which supports Asian women and children facing violence in the home, said there has been a long-standing problem of Asian girls suffering abuse.
She said: "The report's not come as a shock to me in terms that we've known about these issues for a number of years now.
"They follow the exact same model as the report that's been released; the difference is that the victims are Asian Muslim young girls and the perpetrators have been Muslim ****stani men.
"It's just a pattern of abuse that's being repeated with another set of vulnerable girls."
Prof Jay reported: "****stani-heritage girls were targeted by taxi drivers and on occasion by older men lying in wait outside school gates.
"The women and girls feared reporting such incidents to the police because it would affect their future marriage prospects."
http://www.****/news/article-2416586/Gangs-Asian-men-grooming-MUSLIM-girls-plying-drink-drugs.html
It's not hard to work out that it's harder for girls to speak out when they come from a community that's cut off from the rest of the country culturally. The same happened with other institutions and cultures that can cut themselves off from authorities, such as the vatican.
A 10er says that no one will bother trying to investigate these claims though.
We constantly harp on about the authorities, for whatever reasons, not doing their jobs, and sit here blaming multiculturalism / immigration / left wing / right wing - it's all bollocks, and detracts attention from the evil people that actually committed these crimes, and the 1400 people whose lives are forever ****.
What I was trying to say earlier and what the torygraph article I linked to said in a more moderate fashion. That we risk ignoring the plain incompetence of the police and council by focusing on the "PC" element.
It's not hard to work out that it's harder for girls to speak out when they come from a community that's cut off from the rest of the country culturally.
Its also not hard to work out that its harder for police to investigate and deal with a problem when the offenders come from a community that is not only cut off from the rest of the country culturally, but clubs together and stonewalls the police, while vociferously accusing them of a racist led agenda whenever they try to investigate serious crime being committed by 'upstanding members of our community'
Its also not hard to work out that whenever police and council officials fear being labelled as anything 'ist' due to the damaging effect it will have on their career prospects, they are less likely to delve into issues that risk becoming controversial - even the local MP had admitted that [i]"I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat if I may put it like that.”[/i] and discussing [i]“the oppression of women within bits of the Muslim community”[/i] he said [i]“Perhaps yes, as a true Guardian reader, and liberal leftie, I suppose I didn’t want to raise that too hard.” [/i]
Its also not hard to work out that its harder for police to investigate and deal with a problem when the offenders come from a community that is not only cut off from the rest of the country culturally, but clubs together and stonewalls the police, while vociferously accusing them of a racist led agenda whenever they try to investigate serious crime being committed by 'upstanding members of our community'
They don't even need to stonewall the police, the fact that they are heavily religious will see to it that most girls don't speak out. Even if their parents would want to know and report to the police.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28951612
See video, who talked to ****stani community about racism? It seems no one did and the council just assumed they would be accused of racism, I still think it's a major cop out and as Binners mentioned above....a cover for the fact that the council and police were prejudiced against the working classes.
Not sure I agree [i]entirely[/i]. I agree the blame for what happened to these 1400 lives lies solely with their abusers.Tom_W1987 - MemberWe constantly harp on about the authorities, for whatever reasons, not doing their jobs, and sit here blaming multiculturalism / immigration / left wing / right wing - it's all bollocks, and detracts attention from the evil people that actually committed these crimes, and the 1400 people whose lives are forever ****.
What I was trying to say earlier and what the torygraph article I linked to said in a more moderate fashion. That we risk ignoring the plain incompetence of the police and council by focusing on the "PC" element.
However, the failings of numerous public bodies is telling - there is a thread running through them all which indoctrinated them with a pro-multi-cultural message that effectively said "hands off" these cases. Within this I can also understand the view that white working class people feel highly marginalised - abandoned by 'their' party, facing increased competition for jobs from immigrants and seeing wholesale changes to their respective neighbourhoods.
who talked to ****stani community about racism? It seems no one did and the council just assumed they would be accused of racism,
From the report:
[i]There was too much reliance by agencies on traditional community leaders such as elected members and imams as being the primary conduit of communication with the ****stani-heritage community. [/i]
[i]The Deputy Council Leader (2011-2014) from the ****stani-heritage community was clear that he had not understood the scale of the CSE problem in Rotherham until 2013. He then disagreed with colleague elected members on the way to approach it. He had advocated taking the issue 'head on' but had been overruled. He was one of the elected members who said they thought the criminal convictions in 2010 were 'a one-off, isolated case', and not an example of a more deep-rooted problem of ****stani-heritage perpetrators targeting young white girls. This was at best naïve, and at worst ignoring a politically inconvenient truth.[/i]
Tom you were so careful to use the same language as Joyce Thacker about the culture of the foster parents that I thought you were in a common purpose with her?
What are you trying to insinuate there big n daft?
Not sure I agree entirely. I agree the blame for what happened to these 1400 lives lies solely with their abusers.
However, the failings of numerous public bodies is telling - there is a thread running through them all which indoctrinated them with a pro-multi-cultural message that effectively said "hands off" these cases. Within this I can also understand the view that white working class people feel highly marginalised - abandoned by 'their' party, facing increased competition for jobs from immigrants and seeing wholesale changes to their respective neighbourhoods.
I agree, I just don't believe at all that "political correctness" was the PRIMARY factor in the failure to deal with this. I just don't see that in the report.
There was too much reliance by agencies on traditional community leaders such as elected members and imams as being the primary conduit of communication with the ****stani-heritage community.
Precisely, they approached a few "community leaders" quietly. Great. 👿 Did you find when they first approached community leaders about the issue?
There was too much reliance by agencies on traditional community leaders such as elected members and imams as being the primary conduit of communication with the ****stani-heritage community.
So ... much like going to see a priest to discuss how to tackle the problem of child abuse in the indigenous white community. Sounds like a great idea! Thats exactly who I'd be looking too to provide the solutions to complex social problems
Not sure I agree entirely. I agree the blame for what happened to these 1400 lives lies solely with their abusers.
It does not it lies with every one who new it was happening or suspected it was happening and chose to do nothing , as well .
I despair, I really do.
To be specific, if I suspect someone of murder, but do nothing about it, the law cannot prosecute [i]me[/i] for murder. I may be prosecuted for other things, but not for that act.chip - Member
Not sure I agree entirely. I agree the blame for what happened to these 1400 lives lies solely with their abusers.
It does not it lies with every one who new it was happening or suspected it was happening and chose to do nothing aswel.
I despair, I really do
If you suspect someone is kidnapping young girls , beating them and gang raping them, and do nothing you are a horrible **** who deserves to swing too ,
Just my opinion,
You don't think pc has anything to do with it, Tom dedicated most of his energies on this thread trying to prove the filthy animals behaviour was in no way race related or motivated.
Most ironic.
Try imagining being locked in a back room with a bunch of men about to tear you a new.
And realise the true horror of what has gone on and how badly these children have been failed .
I had a rant on here a while back about Muslims being 'outraged' at the most ridiculous of things.
What i want to know is when do they get 'outraged' about things that come directly from their culture or their societies.
Where are their leaders condoning this kind of behaviour? Why are they not 'outraged' about this? Why aren't they outraged about beheadings of innocent people? Why aren't they outraged about Hamas firing rockets into Israel?
No matter where muslims are, it seems that trouble isnt far behind. Sweden had / has a big problem at the moment i believe. This country is sleepwalking into a terror problem and the majority of the population are either oblivious or dont care.
I know Christians have done things that arent exactly cricket, but that was hundreds of years ago and times have changed.
How do you know they're not outraged by any of the things you've posted?
Ferris-Beuller - Member
I had a rant on here a while back about Muslims being 'outraged' at the most ridiculous of things.What i want to know is when do they get 'outraged' about things that come directly from their culture or their societies
Here's one. His opinions seem very clear and forthright on the subject: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/11059268/****stanis-must-condemn-the-Rotherham-abuses.html
[i]that was hundreds of years ago[/i]
or 1995 (Sebrenitsa).
that was hundreds of years agoor 1995 (Sebrenitsa).
Not to mention that if Muslims get a bit shooty with each other, they're all savages. Forgetting the fact that wherever white Europeans are.... it seems to kick off in a far more hilarious style.
Opium Wars, Boer War, WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, Gulf War, Iraq War 2. whoooo
Not that I particularly like Islamic culture and prefer western secularism and enlightenment thinking by far etc....
You don't think pc has anything to do with it, Tom dedicated most of his energies on this thread trying to prove the filthy animals behaviour was in no way race related or motivated.
No, originally I was saying that it was not a primary factor. Not anything like you lot have claimed it to be.
Gurniad reporting there may be an issue with SYP - big shock after Orgreave and Hillsborough - do some folk live completely disconnected from reality?!
"South Yorkshire police was under further pressure today after an audit by Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC) concluded that officers in its public protection unit spent "a great deal deal of time trying to disprove" victims' allegations."
"...inspectors had examined 53 reports to South Yorkshire's specialist departments. Out of those, 34 crimes should have been recorded – but only 18 were, the report said. Of these 18 crimes, eight fell outside the 72-hour limit allowed to record incidents."
Hard to make this stuff up! That's less than 1 in 3.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/28/south-yorkshire-police-hmic-report-rotherham ]http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/28/south-yorkshire-police-hmic-report-rotherham[/url]
What are you trying to insinuate there big n daft?
simple, you very carefully set out that the "culture" of UKIP members/ voters means that they are pathologically incapable of providing a satisfactory foster placement for immigrant children. This is the language of Joyce Thacker head of Rotherham council childrens services
do you agree with her views on CSE
?When asked why there had been so few people brought to justice for child sexual exploitation in Rotherham, she replied: “Prosecution is the icing on the cake.”
Last year, during an appearance before Parliament’s Home Affairs Select Committee to give evidence on child grooming in Rotherham she told MPs: “I do not think I would fully accept that we have failed dismally to deal with the issue.”
Really!
I've not read all these posts and not sure if this has been mentioned before. In 2004 Channel 4 did a documentary "Edge of the city" based in Bradford. It highlighted the grooming of children by Asian gangs and was originally dropped as the authorities accused it of inflaming racial tensions during the local elections.
I was not surprised to hear of the extent of the abuse in Rotherham. I'll be equally less shocked by the stories that will appear in the near future over these types of abuse cases. It will all die down again and then in another decade it will hit the news again as the victims are less important in the eyes of the leaders of local government and police than the feelings of an ethnic minority race.
Unlike Binners I don't think this is anything to do with class but misplaced intentions in regards to race relations and incompetent leaders pandering to those groups.
I think Binners has an interesting point about the class of the girls who were abused.
No doubt in this instance that the main perpetrators were primarily Asian, however, will we ever know the full extent of abuses and deaths carried out in the name of the church?
This year we had the revelations of almost 800 deaths in Tuam in Ireland, with bodies in a septic tank.
In Canada, there is much to suggest abuse on a truly horrific scale within Church run residential schools, with some reports suggesting the genocide of 50,000 native children, many within living memory.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2013/07/19/a_canadian_genocide_in_search_of_a_name.html
This documentary covers the case in more detail, but makes for harrowing viewing with horrific witness testimonies:
Interestingly, maker of the documentary, Kevin Annett, was originally a church minister, who became concerned at the lack of integration of the Native People, so he engaged with their communities and discovered the reasons for their mistrust of the church.
It appears that Kevin's work may have played a part in the resignation of Pope Benedict...
Even Pope Francis has admitted that there are several paedophiles within the Church
Hard to know what to believe, but there is certainly much that we're not being told
Going back to the riots in Bradford,this was done as a statement to say to the authorities to keep out of " our " areas.From that point police and politicians were scared to speak out about the criminality within the Asian parts of the city because of the fear of civil unrest.
The rest of the population could see this and that encourages resentment.
I've personally spoken to police officers who would turn a blind eye to motoring offences due to the " you've only stopped me because you're a racist" reply .
Luckily i moved away , together with my brother and many friends.
One of the parents in the Lancashire cases recalled being told by a senior police officer that they were afraid of starting a race riot if they arrested the perpetrators.
Interestingly, for anyone who doubts that police officers would be paranoid of racism allegations, this is a bit of a long read, but was done under parliamentary privilege earlier this year, telling the tale of some met police officers falsely accused of a racist attack (the polices own professional standards department even suppressed the evidence that cleared them)
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm140319/halltext/140319h0001.htm
@binners, I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion with regard to class. IMO middle class kids would be less likely to be in a care home in the first place so would there be less likely to have been abused.
@barnsley, you are right in one regard that this sort of incident does play into the hands of the "right" and this is where the "left" does a great disservice to those it represents, where the political correctness backfires spectacularly. This is an example where the best way to fight racism is to do the right thing when these incidents arise as to ignore them creates a far bigger issue in the future.
@ninfan, It was worth reading that. Thank you.
'Political Correctness' is only needed because of actual racism. The police wouldn't have felt the need to pussyfoot around issues of race if it wasn't for the fact they are still institutionally racist. It's about people not doing their jobs properly - political correctness is just a convenient excuse.
jambalaya - I'm not disputing that middle class kids don't end up in care. What I'm saying is that the white working class (or underclass) have been demonised to such a degree - they're now the only legitimate target for vitriol that doesn't have an 'ism' at the end of it. So the 'chavs' are fair game for any manner of abuse
This is a direct result of a constant barrage of vitriolic bile spewed at them from politicians, the authorities and the media. And what we're seeing here is the end result. Some 'chav' girl - or 1400+ of them - are not considered important enough that the authorities would bother themselves stopping them being brutally gang-raped and trafficked. What the hell does that say about us as a society?
Mrs Binners has mentored young girls who've been the victim of exactly this type of abuse. These girls are troubled, violent and difficult - as you bloody would be if you'd been through what they've been through. And its left entirely to the charity sector to pick up the pieces, because the authorities don't want to know! They genuinely don't. They're just considered too much trouble.
And that is entirely down to the issue of class, and the nice middle class civic leaders not wanting to have to deal with the problems of the underclass. I'm sure the 'Head of Childrens Services' spent more of his time worring about the supply of sports equipment to tennis clubs in leafy suburbs than he did about these girls. That much seems pretty obvious. Hence even now his total lack of concern, or even acknowledgement. The attitude is endemic!
Its a shocking indictment of the society we live in. Make no mistake. These girls were abandoned to their fate. Seen as almost deserving of it! By a middle class that is trying to insulate itself from them!
binners +1
And you can regularly see the kind of attitudes that allow this to happen expressed on here.
@binners, consider the following viewpoint. Its primarily the working class who have let down their fellow citizens here (I classify police officers and social service professionals as working class but you may not). I don't see a link to the media or politicians, the reality is the rank and file people where afraid of being accused of being racist so they did nothing. By the time the issue got to "civic leaders" it was well and truley engrained and totally out of hand and it was here that the political correctness dial was a full volume.
I think these young people have been very badly let down, I don't see how someone who was at the center of the issue can be earning £85,000 from the state and remain in a position of influence.
I hope what comes out of this is a police investigation conducted by another force and a significant number of convictions.
(I classify police officers and social service professionals as working class but you may not).
Lol. Depends entirely on the rank and their background and depends what kinds of working class folk we are talking about, gainfully employed professionals eg builders or plumbers or proper unskilled jobs/the unemployed. Not many coppers like "chavs".
And you can regularly see the kind of attitudes that allow this to happen expressed on here.
Meaning ? I am totally lost. I see not one thing from @binnner's post that would lead to the police and social services ignoring this.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/29/rotherham-pcc-ability-safeguard-children-questioned
PCC and co accused by former police officer of covering the situation up to protect their own reputations.
Meaning ? I am totally lost. I see not one thing from @binnner's post that would lead to the police and social services ignoring this.
Plenty of chav hate on here.
I hope what comes out of this is a police investigation conducted by another force and a significant number of convictions.
And I'm sure that'll happen! Yeah... right! Absolutely no chance! Are you really that naive? Seriously?
There won't be a single conviction on the back of this. FFS!!!! There were 3 investigations into this already. All either suppressed or ignored! Because thats what suited them. And their interests trump the safety and welfare of those girls by some significant degree!
The people responsible don't even consider it a matter serious enough for them to resign from their cushy, well-paid jobs. Nobody will even be sacked! Well... maybe some poor sacrificial lamb lower down the food chain
And if you think otherwise, then you're living in cloud cuckoo-land
Have you somehow missed how the establishment in this country works?
And I'm sure that'll happen! Yeah... right! Absolutely no chance! There won't be a single conviction on the back of this. FFS!!!! There were 3 investigations already. All either suppressed or ignored! The people responsible don't even consider it a matter serious enough for them to resign from their cushy, well-paid jobs. Nobody will even be sacked! Well... maybe some poor sacrificial lamb lower down the food chainAnd if you think otherwise, then you're living in cloud cuckoo-land
Have you somehow how missed how the establishment in this country works?
Yup, it has somewhat less to do with actually caring about "racism" and much more to do with being corrupt, self serving cock wombles.
Meaning ? I am totally lost. I see not one thing from @binnner's post that would lead to the police and social services ignoring this.
Plenty of posts on here denigrating chavs, pikeys, scum, pond-life, underclass etc etc - untermensch anyone?
Let's see, a pretty blond girl with middle class parents goes missing and there is a massive worldwide outcry and media hysteria. Meanwhile dozens of kids from less salubrious backgrounds go missing and no-one gives a shit.
Plenty of chav hate on here.
That's a charged statement, all right.
There's a world of difference between wanting the ASBO types who are supplementing their benefits with criminal activity to be helped / prosecuted accordingly, and thinking that it's perfectly acceptable for those people to be rounded up and systematically raped as soon as they hit puberty because they deserve it.
At least, I always thought there was. Maybe not in some people's eyes. Which, I guess, is the crux of the problem.
jambalaya - Member@grum, thanks understood now. To be fair any child abduction is a major news story.
Patently rubbish.
Sadly, too true. They are, to use the phrase that Nassim Nicholas Taleb coined "Antifragile"; as in heads they win and tails they win.binners - Member
The people responsible don't even consider it a matter serious enough for them to resign from their cushy, well-paid jobs. Nobody will even be sacked! Well... maybe some poor sacrificial lamb lower down the food chain
There are people, who exist in just about any and every public sector and or government (or quasi-government) organisation without any downside. The things you and I or the rest of the working world get sacked for, they can survive. It push comes to shove they get moved (to another cushy posting) or pensioned off early at great public expense.
It explains why twice disgraced, un-elected twisters like Mandelson get gifted lavish posts in the EU. Why so few expense fraud politicians were actually jailed. Why NHS bosses in places like Stafford have managed to keep jobs for so long. Why the various PCCs in scandals are sitting in their posts, resolute.
It also explains why these posts are so well remunerated - running on other people's money (OPM) is ultimate "Antifragility".
jambalaya - Member
@binners I would hope the Jimmy Saville investigations would give you some more faith in the possible responce...
I don't know about Binners, but I would have a bit more faith if the investigations into Jimmy Sovile happened while he was still alive and able to spill the beans....
Why the various PCCs in scandals are sitting in their posts, resolute.
I've noticed the government have raised the terror alert just now, which conveniently helps bump the story (along with the UKIP defector) off the front pages.
Patently rubbish.
@lifer I really cannot be bothered to post links to all the various news stories and images of hundreds of people searching for missing kids as a result of press coverage as you're not going to pay any attention to the facts.
To be fair any child abduction is a major news story.
Could be entirely coincidental, but strange how Clarence Mitchell has been involved with so many mysterious cases:
Fred & Rosemary West
Jill Dando
Milly Dowler
Madeline McCann
Oh, he's also been a Royal reporter
How odd
Given the numbers of kids that go missing each year, it really is bizarre...
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/29/-sp-untold-story-culture-of-shame-ruzwana-bashir ]This is worth reading[/url]
[i]Although painful to read, the Rotherham report presents an opportunity. It’s an opportunity for leaders in the British-****stani community to stand up and speak out about the sexual and physical abuse in their midst. The Asian community isn’t unique in having evil-doers, and the overwhelming majority of its men and women are good people who care about protecting others.
I am and always will be proud of my ****stani heritage, but I firmly believe community leaders must take responsibility for the fact that the taboos that prevent others from identifying perpetrators and supporting victims enable further abuse. And those taboos must be challenged.[/i]
This is worth reading
+1
+another. Read that earlier.
Did you read that, McShane?
I read that jambalaya. As I said in an earlier post ; We have a significant culture within British society that is horribly misogynistic, and regards all women as second class citizens. Inferior. Subservient. At best. It doesn't fit with modern liberal values at all, but it has been placated and indulged, through fear of offending people, for far too long. That now needs to stop.
And that's as much for the Asian victims, as anything else. I lived in a predominantly Asian area for a long time. And I was constantly appalled by the hypocrisy. The blokes would expect their wives to cover up, including veils, and adhere to 'Islamic values'. Yet the same embracing of these Islamic values, by themselves, was noticeable by it's absense. In just about every respect!
something worth reading here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11066244/Rotherham-is-not-an-isolated-incident.html
hard to disagree with anything in the article (I'm sure Tom will)
Well Simon Danczuk is bang on the money again and confirms Binners` theory !
That article pretty much sums it up
Superb article.
Wonder what effect the drive to have academic qualifications ahead of life experience has in these cases - qualified to the hilt but clueless about real life?
more from Rochdale's MP
will Labour have an inquiry, has Ed Miliband said anything "on the record" on this?
@big and daft, I read that too this morning. I too wonder what response (if any) there will be from the Labour leadership.
I think the silence from the labour party speaks volumes. Not heard Ken Livingstone come back on any of Anne Cryers comments about his attitude
But then in a party of metropolitan, PC obsessed idiots, wilfully blind to the obvious problems of 'multiculturalism' (preferring instead to believe in their own warm, fuzzy idealogical vision of it) he seems the worst of many offenders. Just look at the fundamentalist lunatics he's been an apologist for in the past!
Plenty of posts on here denigrating chavs, pikeys, scum, pond-life, underclass etc etc - untermensch anyone?Let's see, a pretty blond girl with middle class parents goes missing and there is a massive worldwide outcry and media hysteria. Meanwhile dozens of kids from less salubrious backgrounds go missing and no-one gives a shit.
In the similar case at Derby, a couple of years ago, several of the victims were from 'middle class' but troubled backgrounds. I remember one of the girls who had been abused had a pony.
Another point from Derby, in one of the spin-off cases a ring of white middle class businessmen were convicted for using child prostitutes.
It's not just ****stani problem
Seems coverups are still ongoing:
Chief Constable for South Yorks got an absolute monstering at the Parliamentary Home Affairs Committee this afternoon!
Firstly over the Cliff Richard raid and then the Rotherham report, they were fuming - directly accused him of gross incompetence!
They have also called him back in session next week, along with the PCC, Thacker and the professor who wrote the report.
The questioning is online here http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=15908
and then he resigns saying stress caused him to loose the plot,with a huge pension and somebody else is put in place,who is probably reading the script now.
Hmmm? curiouser and curiouser:
Ten Wrexham councillors, including council leader Neil Rogers, have quit the Labour group and the Labour Party...
...The resignations came a week after Mr Rogers removed Labour councillor Malcolm King as lead member for finance on the authority's executive board, for raising concerns about a child protection team's staff levels and case loads.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29043248
Could this be why?
http://brynalynvictims.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/andrea-davidson-speaks-out-north-wales.html
Would also tie in with recent cabinet reshuffle.
i.e. Hague and Clarke
binners - Member
I think the silence from the labour party speaks volumes. Not heard Ken Livingstone come back on any of Anne Cryers comments about his attitudeBut then in a party of metropolitan, PC obsessed idiots, wilfully blind to the obvious problems of 'multiculturalism' (preferring instead to believe in their own warm, fuzzy idealogical vision of it) he seems the worst of many offenders. Just look at the fundamentalist lunatics he's been an apologist for in the past
I know he is not many people's favourite - certaionly not mine - by Norman Tebbit's blog today sums-up the issue and the root of it extremely well.
jambalaya - Member@lifer I really cannot be bothered to post links to all the various news stories and images of hundreds of people searching for missing kids as a result of press coverage as you're not going to pay any attention to the facts.
I don't dispute it sometimes happens.
But 'any child abduction is a major story' is (unfortunately) simply not true, the papers would have nothing but reports of missing children.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/oct/04/child-abduction-statistics-england-wales ]532 children abducted in England and Wales 2011/12[/url]
FACT
^ Truth
New head of inquiry into widespread child abuse appointed by Theresa May today
Fiona Wolf, Lord Mayor of City of London (i.e. weird financial district which is independent of main jurisdiction of London, a bit like the vatican)
She is a Tax Lawyer
Most big money in global economy passes through City of London and Jersey
Jersey is worlds largest tax haven
http://fortune.com/2012/10/10/jersey-the-richest-offshore-tax-shelter-of-them-all/
The journalist who wrote that piece was detained at Heathrow for over 12 hours in 2011, under current Home Secretary (Theresa May) and had her visa revoked. Same happened again 5th of June this year (I know because I've been corresponding with her on twitter)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/david-miranda-uk-detention_b_3844480.html
Trafficking is known to have occurred between several care homes across UK (notably Islington, where Margaret Hodge belittled victims) and Jersey, with a number of children going missing whilst on Jersey
The Issue has been raised on more than one occasion in parliament by MP John Hemming, who has records of Children going missing from the Birmingham care system whilst on Jersey.
Jimmy Savile has been named multiple times in relation to Jersey:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-19890534
Operation Rectangle was carried out in 2007-2008, whilst Jimmy Savile was still alive and the Police Officer in Charge is adamant there's been a cover up:
Extreme abuse images were found in what has become known as the 'Zandvoort stash' in Belgium, the images appear to have been taken in Jersey.
[b]Are you really going to tolerate this?[/b]
Are you really going to tolerate this?
The problem is, they have the machine of government etc at their disposal.
People in power have done horrendous things since year dot.
It ain't going to change....or at least I cannot see what would have to occur for this to happen.
It's an awful thing to say, but vulnerable people have, are, and will continue to be the the playthings of certain echelons of society. As they know they are untouchable.
You're right to an extent Jamie, but if this information is shared widely enough, a tipping point will be reached... crazy as it sounds, this has sufficient gravity to effect the course of history, hence the constant manipulations by the establishment to attempt to keep it covered up.
(and hence my obsessive pursuit of exposing it)
Shows that much of our democracy is illusory; however, public pressure can change that...
Going by lowest common denominator, simplest way of expressing the cover up is
"Jimmy Savile was at Jersey House of Horrors"
should jog a few folks memory
Parliament TV now:
Vaz has just announced that all evidence will be under oath!
Chief Constable David Crompton QPM, and former Chief Constable Meredydd John Hughes CBE QPM, South Yorkshire Police
Joyce Thacker OBE, Strategic Director for Children, Young People and Families, Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council
Shaun Wright, South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner
Sir Peter Wanless and Richard Whittam QC
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=16005
he's also laid into the Chief constable for misleading the committee over last weeks statement on number of convictions.
Further stated that they have just interviewed in private the people who did the 'missing' 2002 home office report - that the evidence was shocking and harrowing and they find in incredible that the police claim not to have known.
It transpires the author of the 2002 report was threatened, by police, with having their name revealed to the abusers if they persisted in their claims. If this were going on in a banana republic it would be lamentable, but in the UK, it is abhorrent.
Apropos of the bigger question of what [i]might[/i] be behind such widespread convolutions of public bodies, try and Google the words "common purpose abuse" and have a look at the results.
When Keith Vaz asked Joyce Thacker if she would be resigning, her face and the way she answered was very firm and the answer was delivered No.
Of course she wouldn't be resigning. She is bare-faced. Knows she can get a payoff or chance of.
I imagine shes the sort of manager who attended top-line meetings with all the other departments and didn't get too involved in of the issues that her department title infers.
There appears to be a competition going on to see who can be the most bare-faced in absolving themselves of any responsibility whatsoever, for absolutely anything at all, and point blank refusing to resign, carrying on picking up their massive salaries, as they march towards their gold-plated pensions.
Shaun Wright does appear to be winning the 'waving two fingers at everyone' award by some stretch though.
That these monstrous, shameless parasites think that their positions are in any way defensible just shows how much the concept of 'Public Servant' has been corrupted beyond any recognition in this country
There was an interesting article in yesterdays Guardian by [url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/09/theresa-may-child-sex-abuse-inquiry-light-of-day ]Simon Danczuk[/url] - probably the only person in authority to emerge with any credit from this shameful saga - It appears he has absolutely zero confidence in the enquiry to get the bottom of things, and is already suggesting its going to be another whitewash. Which would go some way to explaining the position of those being asked the questions. If they know they'll just get away with it anyway, so can happily thumb their noses at pretty much everyone. The whole thing is an absolute bloody disgrace!
Well there's a large EDL and friends (NF Combat 18 etc) gathering this Saturday in Rotherham, no doubt to express their concerns in an orderly well presented fashion. Might be messy.
former Chief Constable Meredydd John Hughes also has known as a serial speeder.
Thoroughly deserving of our collective contempt.binners - Member
That these monstrous, shameless parasites think that their positions are in any way defensible just shows how much the concept of 'Public Servant' has been corrupted beyond any recognition in this country
As I've probably already mentioned, there sorts of people are what the author Nassim Nicholas Talbe refer to as "Antifragile". Although to be Antifragile is desirable, these public employees do so, not through skill, cunning or work, but by ensconcing themselves within a community of people who tolerate mediocrity and corruption and who facilitate careers to survive the very worst conduct and neglect. You have to wonder who's behind it all.