Woburn's mullered by unnecessary FS bikes' braking bumps. Just musing on how to get some equanimity back ?
Why do you think full-sus bikes create more braking bumps than hardtails?
would have thought ht's are worst as the back going to be skipping around and trying to stop quickly.
You ride mountain bikes and don't like bumps?
Please tell me this is a wind up
While we're at it 650b trails please.
Woburn's mullered by unnecessary FS bikes' braking bumps.
Roads...
I love it when a newly sanitized trail gets a storm or two and becomes a mtb ride again.............braking bumps......shit em
If there was anywhere where braking bumps don't seem to be much of an issue it's woburn! It's so sandy, the first bit of rain and it all just runs back into a nice smooth surface shirley??
It's all about enduro specific gravel for 2015.
It's all about enduro specific gravel for 2015.
Will that still work if I have 29er wheels?
Do they make the braking bumps bigger or do they float over them?
OP is ridiculous but I don't get people who claim not to have a problem with braking bumps. Yes I can ride over them quite easily thanks but it still feels shit. Big rocks and roots etc are great, but braking bumps are always horrible.
I find 80 grit sand provides the ideal braking surface.
60's just that bit too abrasive and it's to easy to lock up on 120.
Bumps....... get over em.
Grum, that'll be a setting on yer suspension, geek it out on the forums and someone will tell you what clicks you need to apply. 😆
May I suggest you take up road riding, as anyone offended by braking bumps probably isn't cut out for mountain biking. Plus, I don't understand why FS bikes are more of a problem? I ride a hardtail 29er, weigh 16 stone and thrash around like a fish on a barbeque, so am probably responsible for a lot more trail "damage" than a ten stone grasshopper on a carbon FS bike.
More ruts and bumps = more fun.
OP, I second your motion and also suggest we remove twigs and leaves so that we can run slick tyres for maximum enjoyment.
Seriously...WTF?!
I dislike braking bumps as much as anyone but FSers causing it?
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Would it be possible to organise 'Good Riders only trails' ?
Or, "self righteous, easily offended, will give this up for golf soon" trails.
Maybe some of you should try centre parcs, their trails are so smooth its as if they're made of tarmac...
Chunks of lovely BW in Grizedale seem to be getting this treatment.
this is like 29ers now being called 650b+ just to differentiate them
BTW WTF is a braking bump?
this is like 29ers now being called 650b+ just to differentiate them
BTW WTF is a braking bump?
ps actually its f-all like 29ers now being called 650b+ just to differentiate them
Seriously OP, please explain why FS bikes are so guilty of braking bumps, the suspense is killing me!
Chunks of lovely BW in Grizedale seem to be getting this treatment.
Getting which treatment, braking bumps?
fin25 I've been MTBing since the '80s so won't be golfing anytime soon. I love a good natural knarly trail and my usual MTB holiday destination is Chamonix, not Morzine.
FS bikes let you keep the braking on harder on the back, and the rear locks/unlocks as the weight pitches front and rear. Once the bumps are started the same oscillation is set up in the next bike that passes through. So on ad infinitum. Rocky environments aren't really affected and I love a full on descent on my FS bike in the right place.
I suppose what I don't like is damage done by MTBs, I want us to pass through under the radar, without changing the environment. I suppose tree-hugging hippydom is no longer in vogue. Sigh.
But why are FS bikes to blame?
Also, weren't you complaining about braking bumps at a trail centre?
Also, weren't you complaining about braking bumps at a trail centre?
Not I. I don't really frequent them. Bikes are changing the environment at trails centres, that's a given.
p.s. no offence taken, it's friday night ffs, I expect a bit of strong response.
Surely it's the rider to blame from lack of experience/finesse or even the conditions...not the just the bike?
I kinda get what you're saying about us making a mess of the environment on bridleways and such, I guess I'm lucky that it's not too big a problem round my way. Most of the bridleways round here are rutted up by the horses.
Braking bumps are pants, but they are not created by fs riders alone, just bad riders in general! I can get people panicking approaching a jump but why are they after a jump ffs. It makes landing a rigid bike real tough !
Where at Woburn?
I feel I must be missing out......
Sorry mods... 😳
"braking bumps are damaging the environment"
No, no they aren't. Last time i checked, the "real" countryside was a bumpy, muddy mess for the last, oh, about 2.4B years, since in fact, the continental plates were formed from cooling magma. (it's not often one gets to use the word "Magma" these days you know......)
I put a tenner on the fact the UK has never been less muddy, and has never been eroded less slowly, thanks to all the environmental protection and sanitisation that goes on these days.
grum - Member
Chunks of lovely BW in Grizedale seem to be getting this treatment.
Getting which treatment, braking bumps?
The BW that runs up next to the Downhill track and the first bit of the North face. The one that got curned by recent logging has been stone chipped into a towpath smooth pram track.
They have a crushed on site chomping up rock and spitting out gravel...
More to come 😥
Where at Woburn ?
The Rollercoaster, particularly...
Such an obvious wind up. Great fun though. 🙂
I want us to pass through under the radar, without changing the environment.
Passing through the radar without changing the environment ,yesterday....
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I ride at Woburn, or used to currently, and there are bumps but that's more due to inexperience and the popularity of places I'd say than having suspension or not.
Incidentally, shouldn't they be called braking-hollows? Bumps are sticky uppy, these are dippy downy
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^ that's all gone now.
Woburn is a small area where a lot of people park and ride, using the same 5 or 6 trails as part of a ride there I'd expect. It's soft and sandy and can erode fast, so brake bumps are going to happen. The good thing is it's easy to fill them in .. ; )
or ride other trails, there's loads in the general area if you use Woburn as a spot to pass through on a ride rather than a micro trail-centre, which is what it's become really. Quick-fix MTB is the 'issue', simply pressure on space. In reality though it's not eroded badly in the 10+ years I've been riding there from time to time. Trails come and go and it spreads the use well enough.
Shirley its brakes that are the issue? Remove them and this imaginary issue disappears...
bikeneil - Member
Would it be possible to organise 'Good Riders only trails' ?
No.
Braking bumps on the Rollercoaster at Woburn caused by full-suspension bikes?
You and oldgit should form a club together discussing this rather specific topic!;
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/does-suspension-cause-stutter-bumps
The BW that runs up next to the Downhill track and the first bit of the North face. The one that got curned by recent logging has been stone chipped into a towpath smooth pram track.
They have a crushed on site chomping up rock and spitting out gravel...
More to come
To be fair that BW was utterly destroyed by the logging. Nothing wrong with the first bit of the North Face though. 😕
Next time I do the roller coaster I'll keep my eyes peeled for breaking bumps.
But they clearly aren't ruining my day
At Woburn braking just seems to tear the surface up....
They're suspension stutter bumps (started when brakes are applied). Dirt roads in Canada etc are covered in them - the bouncing up and down of suspension on 4*4 trucks. They wouldn't form if only hard tails were ridden (or if folk rode without locking their back wheel)
Still a daft suggestion from OP, but I sympathise
The wash board that covers the world dirt roads are not braking bumps. They are every where.....
Still not convinced that hard tails wouldn't form them
<riding god hat> IF YOU'RE RIDING ON THE BRAKING BUMPS YOU'VE CHOSEN A SHIT LINE </riding god hat>
Sorry for the shouting but it's the only way to get through to people who are hard of thinking. 😉
I suppose what I don't like is damage done by MTBs, I want us to pass through under the radar, without changing the environment.
The phrase "pissing in the wind" springs to mind. Seriously. I've been walking in the hills for over 40 years and am very aware of the enormous damage done by the passage of feet over that time. Why would a bike be any gentler?