I know I've asked this before and this isn't a thinly disguised ad unlike the other thread but I am genuinely baffled as to why my 5 spot isn't selling.
I've had it up on various sites and eBay for sale for quite a while but getting no interest or stupid low 600 pound offers.
Honestly what do you think is putting people off of it ?
You see average run of the mill trek fuels or spesh stumpys of the same age going for what I am asking for mine ?
It's got a decent spec list and us very clean for the age.
I've got it up for 975 posted which I feel is a good price. If I lower it any more it just doesn't make sense to sell.
The only thing I have thought about is the colour. Maybe if I get it stripped so it's raw that might help ?
What do you think.
I need to sell as I'm just not using it.
Cheers
Steve
[i]I've got it up for 975 posted which I feel is a good price. If I lower it any more it just doesn't make sense to sell. [/i]
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I need to sell as I'm just not using it. [/i]
I think you need to decide which it is - let it go for less than you think it's worth or hang on to it.
It'll have nothing to do with the colour. The "market" has decided what it's worth, even if you think it's more. Sell it for your highest offer or keep it, but remember that it's only going to go on dropping in value.
Sounds quite expensive for a frame of that age. Also being XL probably doesn't help.
Photos in your FS thread helps, 26ers not worth what they were (sadly IMO).
nickjb do you genuinely think that ?
Sv I've quite a few ads with pictures in just the last one for the frame and forks hasn't yet.
It's really not complicated. What you think of the spec/brand/condition is irrelevant.
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Its only worth what someone will buy it for...hence why I've got 4 26ers still. I'll keep em and cannibalise for spares as and when needed.
Just bung it on ebay at 99p with no reserve and you'll find out what it is worth in 7 days. Accept it is not likely to be the number you expect
If it's not selling it's to expensive, painfull but true 🙁
Its an XL, and these days people who need an XL frame are told that they need 29" wheels.
I need to sell as I'm just not using it.
ebay it start at .99p no reserve let it find its true value.
Oh and reply to your adverts when you put them up......
Ive just finished building a s/h 2014 Canyon Nerve (29er) for c.£1k
£650 for 2014 frame and 2014 Fox fork with recent service.
New SLX drivetrain (CRC/Merlin) and finishing gear (SSC)
The 5-spot is a fine bike, but Id expect most "XL" riders to be looking at 27.5/29er these days, and yours is 5yrs old.
£950 is quite a lot IMO, and the market is confirming it. Nothing wrong with the bike it's just that £1000 is a quite a bit, and a lot of people who might be interested will be thinking I may as well pay a bit more and get a new bike of Canyon / O-O etc. that's "fashionable", new and with warranty.
You see average run of the mill trek fuels or spesh stumpys of the same age going for what I am asking for mine ?
On eBay the likelihood of a search certainly impacts. People will go and search for Trek/Spesh etc, but people spending £1000 probably won't use generic terms like "full suspension bike", nor are they likely to search individually for all the niche manufacturers on the off chance one comes up. I really struggled to sell my Titus years ago for the same reason, sold many 'mainstream' bikes far more easily.
XL bikes are a small market, 26" bikes are a small (and dwindling) market, you're in the intersection of a really shit venn diagram for bike sales.
Sorry Renton but bottom line is its not worth as much as you want it to be worth!
I'm not being smart - I have an '09 flux and it'll also be worth bugger all too unfortunately 🙂
26" seems to have had its day (for no good reason). Also does it have a straight steerer? That won't help either...
You might have a bit of a point about the colour though - personally I prefer raw Turners but I can't see that adding £300 to the price.
You can buy a brand new Stumpjumper for a little over £2K. Spending almost half that on a 4 year old frame with 2 year old forks sounds like a lot to me.nickjb do you genuinely think that ?
The £600 you have been offered sounds more realistic. You might get a little more selling thm separately. Maybe £500 for frame £200 for forks.
How much would it cost you to get it stripped so you could acheive your target price of £975? Why not take that off of £975 and start from there?
Agreed with everyone else though, eBay, 99p start and no reserve will find it's current value. Of course that will change depending what day/time the auction ends!
There's a lovely original colour one on pb in large great nick and spec starting at £900. I love 5 spots and having sold 2 second hand I'd say yours is overpriced, quirky size and colour. It's a discontinued model and unfortunately is probably looked on as old skool. Drop the price and take the knock
@Rockplough - your graph is wrong surely, low demand = low price, high demand = high price.
Renton - sorry, yes didn't check back any further. My thoughts on it - colours don't match that well although the green looks well on its own. It's got a 1 1/8 head tube? Which dates it a bit more. Forks or shock had a service? Rims are a bit narrow, again by today's 'standards'! No dropper post either, what size seatpost do they have? XL did make me think it's a big bike and only appealing to 6+footers so a smaller market.
Those are just my obs, please don't take offence!
Turner? Not a name a regular joe would know so unlikely to offer much.
More discerning cyclists who would know the name would probably want a 650b or 29er. 26 being rubbish and all that.
It's XL and there's not a big demand for frames that size with wheels so utterly, uselessly small.
That green is not a nice colour.
You should split it (or keep it).
And finally, it's...
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Quick, I can see njee20's heading this way!
Scarper!
As the old adage goes 'everything sells at a price'. If you 'need' to sell it then either accept that it will take longer to do this at the price you are asking or do something about the price.
Just split it down and sell everything individually. You'll probably get closer to your target price that way.
High price = low demand, low price = high demand so the graph is correct Shirley?
no interest or stupid low 600 pound offers.
Honestly what do you think is putting people off of it ?
Firstly I genuinely have no idea what it's worth.
But you have had interest @ £600. do you think it might just be worth that? but worth more to you?
Sadly for you all the above are correct. And XL 26er that is 4 years old is not a bike that will attract a lot of attention.
Like a poster above, I too have an XL 26er sat in my garage that I don't use very much, it's worth under £400 on the open market, for that much I'll keep it and use it occasionally. You too may have to make that same call.
Yep. I think it is about £300 to expensive. I sold 3 (26") frames recently and didn't price them at what I thought they were worth but what I thought I would get for them. My XL 5 spot was the 2011 model so slightly easier to sell due to geometry etc. Why not just strip it down and see if the parts are worth more than the sum? Lots of people want quality 26" stuff to keep their bikes going.
Quick, I can see njee20's heading this way!Scarper!
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Yep, it's only going south from here...
I would say high demand = high price....
I suppose that graph needs a label. Either
"Graph showing consumer demand based on selling price" (High price = low demand)
or
"Graph showing relationship between consumer demand and potential selling price" (High demand = high price).
In fact, the lack of label makes it a pointless graph.
"F"
DrP
I see you have posted much heartfull sorrow for yourself renton on stw but even though you have had answers to why you're not selling, you still persist. It sure is painful to watch as I too have a 26er frame/wheels to sell but have faith that not all will succome to BS marketing and the fact that decent 26ers will be hard to get hold of in top condition due to production moving over to 27.5/29 will hopefully mean that they'll be a market for our much loved 26ers.
As for grammar in that one single paragraph, I apologise on behalf of Apple products ;d
what do you think it's worth, though? What would allow you to take the cash and sell it?
Check the sold trail on eBay and see if it's out of kilter with that.
XL
Old "poor" Turner geometry
Old headtube that precludes practically every modern fork upgrade.
26" wheels.
Its basically a frame that you can now do nothing with.
Sorry.
I know I've asked this before and this isn't a thinly disguised ad unlike the other thread but I am genuinely baffled as to why my 5 spot isn't selling.
I think you got your answer pretty conclusively the last time you asked. You're starting to get the same answers again. You can't keep asking expecting someone to come up with a magic answer.
It's not that it's not selling, you could sell it tomorrow for £500, it's that you're not willing to let it go for the amount people are willing to pay. The problem isn't a bike you can't sell, its that your expectation of its monetary value doesn't match with the market.
Quite a few people have explained to you why your expectations may be wrong, and lets be honest, you're not going to convince the world t change their view, so you need to change yours.
The longer you leave it the older it gets and then more annoyed you're becoming. Either sell it now for what people are willing to pay, spend a week being grumpy and then move on.
OR
Keep it and use it until it falls apart.
The only other option is to keep holding onto the glimmer of hope that John the Lanky from Swindon has been looking for an XL Turner in a funny colour for months, and his rich uncle has just died when he comes across your advert, then you *might* be in with a chance of getting what you want for it. As long as he doesn't decide to google for info on them or spot your threads on here...
@Rockplough - your graph is wrong surely, low demand = low price, high demand = high price.
You're talking about supply which is a different curve. Renton's problem is the (lack of) demand, hence the demand curve.
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But he's not selling an Equilibrium. If he was, it probably would have sold by now 😆
They won't go up in price ever again, only get cheaper. I sold my 26ers for good money before 27.5 became 'the norm'. Nobody wants an old tech bike.
If I were you I'd take the £600 (if you can still get it).
By the way I've got a VHS recorder for sale for £200 if anyone's interested?
it probably would have sold by now
Yes and at the perfect price. HO HO!
(sorry Renton)
It maybe a 2010 design frame but it was bought new in 2012.
In fact only the frame, fork and wheels are from 2012 the rest is less than 6 months old.
What am I looking at then realistically for the frame and forks package.
Same again for the full bike ?
It's not a good time of year to be selling a (relatively) expensive toy, motorcycles don't sell well at this time of year either for example, and it's generally seen as a time to pick up a bargain. Two main factors are
a) crap weather so not really much scope to use the new toy you've just bought yourself so not much incentive to spend on yourself at the minute- people generally want to be able to use their purchases as soon as they get them.
b) Christmas bills. Those that do christmas will still be reeling from having overspent in the run up to the 'big day' in an effort to make it the best one ever in the entire history of christmasses. They will have been skint two months before christmas and will be skint until the end of February as they pay off credit cards.
You may end up getting a little more for it when the weather warms up and people start looking for a new-to-them bike, split it and maybe make back what you want over time or just sell up in one go, take the hit and be done with it. Bit of a rubbish choice I'm afraid.
Renton, no easy way of saying this but if you ask a question you need to listen to the answer. It's a 2010 frame, when you bought it is irrelevant, it's a 2010 frame.
£600 for the bike is realistic, £650 at a push.
Frame and fork? £400 I reckon, maybe a touch more.
Now, I know this isn't what you want to hear but, IMO, this is a realistic price that will actually sell the bike.
In fact, the lack of label makes it a pointless graph.
[b]You're[/b] a pointless graph!
*flounces off*
More flounce than a turkey on a trampoline 🙂
If you need any advice on guerrilla marketing, feel free to message me
It doesn't matter when you bought the frame, it's still an old model. You could have bought it new from a shop yesterday but it's still the same slightly out of date by current standards frame.
The XL tag may put people off too, maybe try listing it using the c-c seat tube size instead? XL implies 5 bar gate, when it probably isn't that big based on the size of the 5 Spot I used to own.
It's still too expensive though. My Transition Bandit frame, in a popular size, with 'on trend' geometry, head tube etc and factory paint job only sold for £400 last month, because it's got 26" wheels, and because at the end of the day no matter what it cost new it's still a second hand frame that's a few years old.
Yep, if you want to sell an armed revolutionary then mekkonolly is your person.
Someone got a link to the one on pink bike for 900 quid
XL's will only sell to XL people and there aren't that many of us about so limited market
It's a 2010 frame regardless of when you bought it
The parts on the bike are a bit low end for the frame a mix of slx and deore doesn't cut it on an almost £1000 SH bike and the bits you've left on the frame and fork are no incentive to buy it
Not worth as much as you think
Didn't you get offered over a grand for it the other day?
Sorry to be harsh but the reason it's not selling is nobody wants it.
Just keep it as a spare.
Chunkmonkey I did but then the chaps car broke so had to pull out.
Iolo you may be right. I'm buying a whtye 629 so will transfer the slx stuff into that and keep this as a spare.
What and you took that blokes reason for the truth!?
But can't accept our reasons for why it isn't selling!
Sods Law mate 🙄
It's an XL and a 26" - that's probably the biggest issue. Second biggest is the 1"1/8 head tube. Third is the time of year. And it has a 21" seat tube so too tall for most riders with a dropper and the reach is shorter than that of my medium Spitfire.
If I were you I'd ride it until it dies or write it off as one of those bad buys...
I can't see the point in keeping it as a spare, you'll never use it again anyway.
Bes thing to do is split it down and sell all the bits individually, although it is pretty time consuming. I did this with my old 26" mtb last year and sold everything without too much bother.
Or you could donate it to this lot http://www.re-cycle.org/ and bank the karma points
Or, just keep it and ride it? What's wrong with it exactly (apart from the fact it's out of date)? Why are you unable to ride it?
David. I'm not getting out and riding as much any more and its a bit of overkill for the 5 mile each way ride to work.
I can't even be bothered to search for a Groundhog Day gif.
FFS man.
Its too expensive, that's the answer to any 'why isn't it selling' question.
I recently sold an ibis mojo hd frame of similar vintage and cane creek shock for £700 on eBay, was hoping for more , but would rather have the cash than the frame sat in my garage
Julians... I only want a couple hundred more for a full bike.
Just out of interest if I was to change the gears and finishing kit to something a bit cheaper would it make much difference to the price you think I can get ?
What's the betting you'll be asking the same question in 6 months time..?
The first time you asked,quite a few reckoned it was well worth your asking price (no-one actually wanted to buy it though...)
Now it's 100% saying it's too expensive.
Do you want to sell or not?
Suburbanreuben.
I do want to sell it and like you can't understand how one minute it's worth my asking price (which was more than I am after now) and then all of a sudden the same forum is telling me it's worth nowt ?
Just out of interest if I was to change the gears and finishing kit to something a bit cheaper would it make much difference to the price you think I can get ?
Probably not worth the hassle of doing it.
EBay with no reserve will give you the truth as to what its worth. Get it up there and move it on.
Yep same as everyone else it's old tec/geometry by today's bikes standards, I almost bought an xl 5spot that was 2012 new geo tapered head tube etc for what you want for your frame around 8 months ago, but I'd just got a good deal on a orange 5 which had a slightly longer TT.
If it was me frame £300 frame fork £450 just to get some cash back.
Good luck buddy.
Have you added up how many hours you've spent trying to get a price no-one is willing to pay? Is your time worth that little to you?!
If someone on STW was willing to pay what you wanted, it would have sold - we've been reading these threads for the best part of the year, it's the best advertised bike of 2014 bar the new Nomad!
Suburbanreuben.I do want to sell it and like you can't understand how one minute it's worth my asking price (which was more than I am after now) and then all of a sudden the same forum is telling me it's worth nowt ?
But the people telling you it was worth £X weren't actually interested in buying it. They were offering their opinion but they were wrong. They, like you, hadn't cottoned on to the fact the market has changed.
Why are you selling? To buy a 29er? 650b?
Exactly. You're not the only one.
The longer you leave it the less it will be worth.
Back then, I nearly offered you £350 for the frame but I was accused of being a scuzzy low-baller. Offer the frame for that now and I doubt you'd get any takers.
I reckon you'll get:
Frame £300
Forks £150
Wheels £100
The rest £50
This is the opinion of someone who has bought loads of bikes second hand, sold them on if I didn't like them, but had fun playing the field. I've never made a penny on any of them, often losing quite a bit, so my valuation is probably optimistic!
Frame at 300 or maybe 350 is probably right - a large newer geometry 5 spot frame went a while ago for something like 650 whereas they used to go for over a grand.
It's an XL but that is really more like a L for those bikes...
I have a M 2009 Flux frame and a L 2012 Flux frame that are really not going to be worth a lot, but they both ride sweet and there is really little point is changing to 650B - I have tried the 650B Flux and my L 2012 is just too similar.
Just keep it and spend the money you would lose getting another bike on some Jedi tuition or similar. All those people with newer, flashier bikes will be feeling less good as you tear past them with your new skills.
There's nothing wrong with its geometry - there's plenty of youtube videos from homers hucking steep, rocky trails in the states on them, and I the first time I ever saw anyone complain about it was when I saw Hora's comments (you know - the guy who had a picture posted recently of him walking the end of BKB...)
You require a goat for the sale to go through
Plenty of sounds reasons on here.
I think you've got to remove the idea of what you think its worth. There are plenty of new options for around 1k that look way more appealing (snazzy paint, latest wheels etc.) You can't compete with that on an old boutique brand.
I've owned several Turners and always sold them at good prices *after* a year. But the five spot does struggle now price wise; we've sold two at the local shop and they both had to bottom out at between 5-600, and both were good spec and good bikes.
Given it's not made any more tells you it's worth to Turner too.
Move all your gear along quickly and you will retain some money when you sell it. Hang on to it for more than two years and you will drop off the bottom. Even at a year old I think 50% is very likely.
Not particularly aiming this at renton, but I think it's an emotional shortcoming to hang on to products because of what we think about them. I learned ages ago that it doesn't help in your 'consumer' progress. The world is a cheap -ass place and prices for stuff are forced downward from new so why not accept you can't have it at both ends and move something on of yours to help someone else get a good deal?
The reason, you can't find someone who a) wants it and b)agrees with your valuation.
+1 for what rone said
My bikes are objects that deprecate, what I have done on them adds nothing to the value.
It's not going to increase in value in your garage, it's not getting much use so just get rid for what you can. If anything strip it and keep the running gear for spares and get shot of the frame.
I don't disagree with any of the above but also no matter how good nick its in buyers are going to see it as a an old bike that is a potential liability and need shock, pivots, forks etc servicing or replacing. unfortunatley that trumps how you see it as an asset worth a nominal figure you've arbitrarily (is that right spelling?) awarded it. If you've got the room keep it and enjoy it when you can- you don't need to spend much on a hackfor a 5 mile commute. ( might even get an old 26" rigid cheap!)
As I'm the market for a new bike or frame/fork I did look at your bike.Before I even looked at the price,this is what I thought;
It's too old,2010 is the year it was made
I wasn't keen on the frame colour
The wheels - hubs are OK,but I prefer Stans rims these days.Being wider I think tyres sit on them better.
I only like black forks
& finally,finishing kit is a bit low end IMO..
That's just my opinion & I'm sure it's a great bike, it's just not the one I wanted.
FWIW,I've got a mix of 10 bikes 'n frames in the garage cos I'm not prepared to take a huge hit on the price I paid for them & what people will actually pay for them. I'd rather have them gathering dust & just used occasionally than do that TBH
Why isn't it selling? Have you ever ridden one? Then there's your answer.
I slagged off the 1/ 1/8 headtube one on here and was flamed for it. Awkward old school set of angles etc. The next one (bigger headtube) was a totally different beast.
Found it a bit tricky to push?
Into a canal where the other old pig bikes rest?
Everytime you start a thread like this there will be 10 less people interested in buying it - because they'll read all the reasons [i]why[/i] it's not selling and think something like "hmm, maybe I should try big wheels instead of an XL 26er".