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Sorry guys - I am not buying it. even in Scotland its hard to get more than 7 miles from a road, in England its about 3. The kit I carry will mean I can ride out after any damage to the bike that is repairable - I do not need anything more.
Its not an extreme sport, you are not ( 99% of the time) miles from anywere. You are riding your bike in the UK
Brake pads? cables? mech hangers? Tyre boot? How badly prepared are your bikes that you need this stuff.
I have never needed more than the minimal kit I carry - there simply is no need for it
there is a difference between get you home and carry on with your plan
Yup, this ^^^. For what it's worth: multitool with chaintool, there's probably a few links in the bag too, 2x tubes, pump, couple of patches, phone, £20, jacket in winter, water and food (if out for more than three or so hours).
tyre boots is not about preparation you ****!!! its about bad luck and rocks!! Mech hanger the same! Sometimes you talk sense, other times (like this) absolute bollocks!
Never split a tyre, never bust a mech hanger in decades of riding. Hard to see how you could bust a mech hanger and not the mech anyway. SS to get home.
Tyre boot - improvise!
It just makes me laugh that people will spend ££ to save a few grammes off their bike then carry a load of stuff that is not needed.
Hard to see how you could bust a mech hanger and not the mech anyway.
Erm, they are designed to do exactly that though. Seen it happen numerous times.
Is it really something to get all het up over though guys?
I'm afraid I can't get my head around the whole 'Sky is falling in' attitude that sees people carry stuff for that odd unlucky occasion. It's a safe, non-extreme, non-dangerous way of getting out into the countryside: 'Pony Trekking by bike' is a TJism that captures things well, and yet seems to have developed into some kind of adventure requiring a big pack and tons of extraneous gubbins.
I see no epidemic of people getting stranded overnight in the wilds of Surrey, no base camps being established on the slopes of Rivington, and bones do not litter the trails of the UK...
Each to their own, and as I have said, carry what you want to.
once again tj, proving to be the retard that you are
EDIT: thanks for the edit crikey.. 🙂
I was just extolling the virtues of carrying a spare layer and a waterproof.. I was out on dartmoor this time last year and the weather turned leaving me very cold and wet.. If I'd had to then walk the 20 odd miles home.. maybe in shock if I'd had a fall.. I'd be fubared..
Why cruz heckler?
I am not the only one who thinks this. why carry a load of stuff " just in case" that you are never likely to need?
I think its completely laughable to carry all this stuff. there is nothing that I cannot fix with my minimal kit that you could with your extensive kit
Why the abuse?
because its always your way or the highway
Um, apologies, and edited out, but I hope you see my reasoning.
A big part of not carrying the kitchen sink and all is that the safety of any enterprise is dependent on what's between your ears. If you are a way away from 'civilisation', be sensible, don't trash your mech, don't batter your tyres and so on.
I walked the Snowdon Horseshoe a couple of years ago and took less than most take on a bike ride..
Nonsense - as cricky says yo can carry want you want. I just find it amusing that people convince themselves they are doing some sort of dangerous extreme adventure when they are riding a bike around the local paths and thus they need a huge amount of kit and spares.
So go on cruzheckler - give me a situation were I would be wishing I had the huge kit you carry.
lol.. it's true unless you live in Canada or summit...
I commute twelve miles each day on the mountain bike.. just along the river mostly..
I keep a spare tube at work in case. Rather than bother fixing a tube at work, I just replace it should I need to so that I can get home in a timely fashion.
I carry the minimal.. I eshew multitools and carry just the three allen keys I am likely to need.
If you are a way away from 'civilisation', be sensible, don't trash your mech,
Ridiculous comment.
And how have you miserable old snobs managed to connect people carrying too many spares with them thinking they are undertaking an "extreme sport"?
Do people carry lots of spares when they go base jumping or something?
🙄 does not suffice to convey my disdain
I must be dead. No mobile phone, no GPS, No helmet much of the time, minimal kit. Just common-sense.
And how have you miserable old snobs managed to connect people carrying too many spares with them thinking they are undertaking an "extreme sport"?
Because they have convinced themselves a load of kit is essential for riding their bike around the trails!
OH MY GOD, I CARRY LOTS OF STUFF, TWO PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET TELL ME I'M A FOOL, WHATEVER WILL I DO.
i know, i'll list everything i carry
multitool
swiss army knife
puncture kit
mini pump
fork pump
tube
pliers and brake pads
chain tool and POWER LINKS!
spokey
zipties
food
water
fleece (in wintertime)
waterproof (in wintertime)
coupla nuts and bolts
oh, and money and phone
i appreicate the whole "back in the day, we never took tools, and anyroad, our wheels were square and made out of wood" but i'm not riding in the past. i also don't anguish over the weight of my bike, nor the weight of the contents of my pack. i do think the bag itself is pretty heavy though 😆
What would you do if you broke your back then TJ? You'd not be wwalking or riding out.
I take: Powerlinks, tube, set of brake pads, puncture kit, tool, normally a Jacket, although I'm normally wearing it.
Oi! Less of the old thank you... I'm in the prime of my life despite my apparent ability to laugh in the face of danger...
[i]What would you do if you broke your back then TJ? You'd not be wwalking or riding out.
I take: Powerlinks, tube, set of brake pads, puncture kit, tool, normally a Jacket, although I'm normally wearing it.[/i]
Neither would you, although you'd have a bigger pillow while you waited...
cruzheckler - Memberbecause its always your way or the highway
Aye and your way seems to always attack people on a personal level.
Good arguments by the way, but you lose the minute you call somebody a retard because they dont have the same opinion as you.
after reading this thread thoroughly I have revised my philosophy on the subject and will now just be carrying Haribo and housebricks.. 8)
you bores take what you like - I shred the gnar, not the gran; that means I'm literally millimetres from death whenever I ride but I don't take any stuff with me, 'cos I'm cool and I'm already carrying the hopes of a generation in my bag 8)
In all my years of riding the following have happened
punctures - many
snapped chain - check
split tyre -check
bent mech hanger - check
snapped gear cable - check
crash requiring re- alignment of brake levers/stem etc. - check
getting hungry - check
getting thirsty - check
weather taking turn for worse- check
going A over T and landing on head - check
been involved in a crash where we had to keep someone comfortable/warm etc. - check(but thankfully only once)
been so unprepared i've had to walk home - just the once when I toally trashed my front wheel
No it's not an extreme sport(although thats debatable when you watch certain riders) - it is, however, about getting out into the country side which can vary from the local park to the scottish Highlands. If I was walking round the local park I'd probably be wearing pumps or brogues jeans and a t-shirt and have two dogs and my grandson(2) with me. If he's lucky i might have a few sweets in my pocket and the dogs might have brought a ball. If I was doing the Three Peaks i'd leave my grandson at home probably be wearing my Karrimor boots etc. I'd have food for me and the dogs and plenty of other kit in my day bag.
So again - what you take depends on where you are riding.
People who head off in to the hills unprepared with a gung ho 'I've always been alright with a stick of chewing gum and a copy of the Times' attitude realy p##s me off.
Being self - sufficient has always been one of the key elements of mountain biking. As a result most of the kit is compact and light enough to not take up much room at all.
[i]People who head off in to the hills unprepared with a gung ho 'I've always been alright with a stick of chewing gum and a copy of the Times' attitude realy p##s me off. [/i]
Me too...
..and I would argue that my attitude is not like that. I would consider myself far more able to cope precisely because I don't try to carry everything I'll ever need every time I go out. The best way to become blase and complacent is to have a big bag full of all the stuff I can ever need and to carry it on every ride I ever do.
Quite apart from being a monumental waste of energy, carrying all that stuff is a very easy way to get into trouble.
Many, many, many years ago, in fact when I was just a lad, we drove to Snowdon to walk up it. We were as well equipped as we could afford with boots, coats, butties and a flask. As we got high up the thing, we ended up trying to walk in knee deep snow and after a bit of macho nonsense and a number of scary scrapes we opted to get down and go to the pub. I learned the best outdoor survival lesson I've ever got that day; don't be a dick.
It doesn't matter how much crap you cart around the countryside, being sensible is the one thing that will keep you safe above all else.
My over-riding theme is that it is just riding a bike and should be treated as such.
I will stress, as I have done throughout, that you should take whatever you want to, but I don't subscribe to the current fashion of big Camelbak stuffed with the contents of a mini bike shop.
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seen too many hanging off the dog and Lymes disease is not nice, so my first aid kit contains a tick tool
Pump, tube, multi tool, phone, patches, tyre levers, sometimes some energy gel/bar. That's your lot
Just me with the bog roll then? don't ask to borrow any
lol.. crikey, come on, how could you ever need to take a set of brake pads? why not load the bike with a spare wheel as well.. ? roflmao!
I usually take just enough
how could you ever need to take a set of brake pads?
obviously not done much riding in the Peak District when its wet. And considering how much space they take up .
Toilet paper?
Grass will do.
...and been riding in the PD for 25 years and not died yet...
Ok here goes...
road ride = (all fits in one jersey pocket,other two will have a rain cape and something to eat *yes I know its anMTB tube in the pic but you get the idea)
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local MTB ride =(all fits in rear pocket of jacket if i don't take a camelbak)
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proper MTb ride = (fits nicely in a camelbak mule, and still leaves space for a jacket a beanie hat, malt loaf, powerbar, tangfastics,chocolate, hip flask, wallet)
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The tin contains spare gear cable, tyre boot, chain/power links,pads, patches,a fiver.
Not much really
Nothing, but then I ride with Ray Mears, Bear Grylls and Andy McNab.
Tyre leaver, tube, shock pump, tyre pump, tie wraps, multi tool, chain tool and water and never needed any of it, apart from the water, but the day i dont take it ill need it.
Some talk of what happens when it all goes t-up somewhere "remote", extra layers, blankets, first aid kits..... am I really the only one who heads off into the hills (solo, and often at times of the day/week when I might not see another person the whole ride) with a ...
WHISTLE!!!
It costs pennies, weighs virtually nothing and takes up virtually no space in your camelbak/saddlebag/pocket. And it might just save your life. Take a whistle. Especially if somewhere remote. Or alone. Or even round the back of Argos come to think of it - might be handy if some local scrotes decide to mug you for your bike down a quiet towpath of an evening?
And as for "remote" vs distance from a road - I ride locally on a lot on trails that are probably never more than half a mile from a road or house, but on some of those trails I might not see another soul, I'm not visible from any roads / houses and if I have a big "off" and can't walk out (a simple busted or seriously sprained ankle would do that), the whistle is just as likely to come out of the pack as it would out in the hills...
Inner tubes.
Oranges.
Kendal Mint cake.
Pipe Tobacco.
Hipflask.
Flippers.
Condoms.
Swarfega.
Clingfilm.
Trenching tool.
This thread has everything covered http://www.trailscotland.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=650
I carry a good amount of spares. Never really needed them myself but have ended up fixing riding partners bikes on several occasions. Cold and wet and a couple of hours walk from the car with an under-prepared friend can test your sense of humour somewhat. A few simple spares weighing next to nothing and you're on your way again. can't see why you wouldn't.
Coming from Whitewater kayaking where situations can get pretty'uncomfortable' pretty quickly in some quite inaccessible places, I can really see the logic in taking a few simple steps to not only make sure you can complete your trip without outside help, but also, to get back to having fun asap......
Puncture repair kit, spare tube, pump, chain tool, spare bit of chain/powerlink, and a few allen keys. I rarely ride with a bag though, it's shit.