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..reach? At the moment I have a 0 degree Deda Zero 110mm stem and the reach is fine but the height of the bars is a little too low. To counter this I'm eyeing up a new stem but I'm hesitating over what length. I'm sure 6 degree would be enough in height but obviously the same length stem (110mm) would shorten the reach.
Is there a simple maths formula for geometry or a maths genius on here who can help?
Basically, I'm trying to work out what length of stem I need to get the bars the same distance in reach but a touch higher.
I don't have the time funds or quite frankly patience to faff with different stems.
Thanks


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 3:39 pm
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It's negligible until you start going to 20+ degrees. Just stick with the same length.


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 3:41 pm
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To get the same horizontal dimension use 100*(cos 20/cos 26) = 104mm

So a 100mm will be 4mm shorter and a 110mm 6mm longer than what you have now.


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 3:46 pm
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Cos(angle)=A/H
H=stem length
A=reach
A=H*cos(angle)=110xcos6=109.4mm

Very much negligible! The six degree tilt will raise the bars by just over 11mm


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 3:47 pm
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It's also worth adding that (at least in the past), some brands accounted for the difference due to angle so a 110mm stem was the same distance from steerer centre to h/bar centre regardless of the rise.


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 3:49 pm
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Cheers fella's. Very helpfull


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 4:08 pm
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Ooops sorry I'd read 100 instead of 110 in your OP - add 10mm to my figures.

It's also worth adding that (at least in the past), some brands accounted for the difference due to angle so a 110mm stem was the same distance from steerer centre to h/bar centre regardless of the rise.

You mean horizontally? Not heard of that before.


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 4:20 pm
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Handy link..

http://www.brightspoke.com/t/bike-stem-calculator.html

Click on "Compare Two Stems" and enter the details.

I did see a better one once that showed you as a graphic, but can't find that one anymore.


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 4:44 pm
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self moderated.


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 4:46 pm
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Al - yeah, can't say I've heard about it for a while, hence the caveat but I definitely recall at least one company's reps explaining about it which I guess really does make more sense even if the differences are negligible and people don't really notice...


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 4:48 pm
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Cynic-al, did your calculation figure in the wotsit of the head angle (i.e. 90-70ish), hence the difference?


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 4:50 pm
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That website is top! Thank you.


 
Posted : 09/11/2010 5:30 pm