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Even if that is 3hrs of z2.
Im quite happy to do 2 or 3hrs of Z2 on the turbo but I find I struggle with comfort of the derrier after about 50mins.
Im quite happy to do 2 or 3hrs of Z2 on the turbo but I find I struggle with comfort of the derrier after about 50mins.
Can be a problem here too. Took a lot of messing about to get the right short pad, saddle and setup and now I'm usually fine up to 2hrs. Starts to get a bit sore on the sit bones after that. Sometimes will change shorts mid session if they are getting very sweaty too.
I'm tempted to experiment with an Adamo on the turbo. They are quite padded for sit bones and have the big pressure relief thing in the middle.
Be interested to hear how others cope with long turbo work....?
It was my first long session and I put a thread up else where as a result of getting seriously numb nuts...when I come to do that length of time again I'll have to change something to avoid numbness..
Re indoor/out...everybody's reason for turbo work is contextual...
Over 90 minutes, even on the rollers, it's a case of HTFU I'm afraid.
my nads got hot today. all the fun of the fair
thought that's what sweet spot base was for. IMO if you have 8 hours free to sit on a turbo you should be outdoors.
I'm willing to put the time in for trad and solid base. I can do this if I'm efficient with time. 0530 start for 1.5hrs then an hour when back from work. In this weather that does not mean screwing arounf with lights and winter clothing. The aim is quality time in zone - surely how it's achieved is utterly immaterial?
2/3 hours of Z2 indoors on a turbo, when the weather isn't that bad outdoors, still warm, bit windy, but quite dry
you must be crackers, does no one ride outdoors anymore, just for the sake of riding a bit?
I find much more than an hour on the roadie and I suffer with numb bits. I've bought an adamo for exactly the same reason as you (and for longer tts). Yet to try it as I need another seat post to swap straight over with minimal faff.
For longer work in the past I've used my hard tail which Is more upright and has a lot more comfy saddle
I'm 5 weeks into the Short Power Build plan and i'm definitely feeling stronger.
Did Foerster this morning https://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/2573900-Foerster
That was an ugly one!
you must be crackers, does no one ride outdoors anymore, just for the sake of riding a bit?
I would love to ride outdoors for 2 or 3 hours. the main reason for me not doing so is mainly due to where I live and the roads around here. I get home from work at around 6 which realistically means 7 before I get the chance to get out. I then have Heathrow and London rush hour traffic to contend with which kind of ruins my motivation
The aim is quality time in zone - surely how it's achieved is utterly immaterial?
Think there is a benefit to road as the feel of the turbo can be very different. You're training your body to become very efficient at the specific action of pedalling. On a turbo the action will be subtly different. If you can't get out though I reckon it's still worth putting the z2 hours in on the turbo.
you must be crackers, does no one ride outdoors anymore, just for the sake of riding a bit?
Range on the baby monitor is unfortunately quite limited 🙂
Over 90 minutes, even on the rollers, it's a case of HTFU I'm afraid.
If you can't get out though I reckon it's still worth putting the z2 hours in on the turbo.
I'm hoping to do 8hrs quality Z2 base this week.
Indoors, I'd argue that over 90 minutes isn't a case of HTFU, it is more a case of "be smarter".
What do you guys hope to achieve from longer than 1.5 hour Z2 turbo sessions that Z3 or even Z4 work with the correct recovery wouldn't give you?
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Tons of Z2 is fine if you are at 20+hours a week and genuinely need the volume but for the average person long Z2 turbo sessions aren't as efficient a use of time as other alternatives IMO. Save your sanity too! If you do them for blindly following a "plan" then this most likely is expecting a 3 hours [i]outdoor[/i] Z2 ride which is very different in terms of actual time spend in Z2 and other benefits like the specificity of saddle on bum time and the actual cycling aspects of cycling 😀
2/3 hours of Z2 indoors on a turbo, when the weather isn't that bad outdoors, still warm, bit windy, but quite dry
you must be crackers, does no one ride outdoors anymore, just for the sake of riding a bit?
😆 Can't agree more. You guys don't know how lucky you are to have that amount of free time!
does no one ride outdoors anymore, just for the sake of riding a bit?
Difficult with a 9-5 and rubbish lights. turbo in the week, ride and race on the weekend. I've not done any base on the turbo, beyond half hour recovery-esque spins.
I also think intervals are far better done on the turbo, more repeatable. I'll be doing chimneys this evening
None of my time on the rollers is spent specifically training at Z2, (unless I'm trying to sweat some cold out of my body like today. Homers Nose at a TSS of 42)
I do however spend up to 2 hours on them.
Rubbish lights isn't even an excuse 😆 20
Quid on ebay gets you as much light as you need
It's not free time, it's sleep time.
I'd like to achieve 275W (3.8w/kg) at Z2 to help me perform better at 12hr events and do the Ridgeway Double in under 14hrs. Currently at 250W (3.4w/kg)so a tough ask.
I'm not sure that chart takes account of training the different fat burning energy pathway?
I'd like to achieve 275W (3.8w/kg) at Z2 to help me perform better at 12hr events and do the Ridgeway Double in under 14hrs. Currently at 250W (3.4w/kg)so a tough ask.
Big ask if you're already trained. Lots of long slow fasted rides?
How much difference do you think training fasted makes to your performance?
I always do my turbo sessions before breakfast. It fits in with my day better and I find it more comfortable than having a meal in my belly at the same time. Assume its good for consistency if nothing else.
How much difference do you think training fasted makes to your performance?
Rate it highly, I do all my morning runs and bike sessions up to 2 hours on coffee alone. I feel much better for it, both whilst training and after it.
I do all my morning runs and bike sessions up to 2 hours on coffee alone
But doesn't that take away the main reason for doing fasted training? Correct me if I'm wrong (it sometimes happens) but I thought fasted training was to be performed on nothing but water? (although I do seem to remember reading that coffee without milk or sugar could be consumed so forgive me if thats your diet :o)
Stove top, strong and black.
But your point is valid, however my understanding is that its generally seen as training with no carbs, protein, fat consumed in the morning before training.
Fair one!!!
I wish I had the drive to do my training before leaving for work!
I'd have to be on the bike by 5am latest though realistically!
I've done that gaz, and as hard as it is to motivate yourself you do end up bouncing around with energy like a spring chicken at work - yet another benefit (maybe).
I'm about to get home late so my Tues/Weds/Thurs has changed to Wed/Thurs/Friday with 100k frosty road on Sunday, trying to work out when I squeeze a beer in!
^ maybe on day 1 and 2. Currently the stairs are a challenge!
I do my 25 mile 5am ish commutes fasted (when I did them) prefer the extra 5 mins in bed rather than eating some ceral at that time of day 😆
Currently alarm going off at 6am on Tuesdays and Thursdays. On the turbo for 6:15 for an hour. The shower, breakfast, work by 9am.
The Sat / Sunday sessions are still done before breakfast but a bit later than 6:15am!
I've not risked a 6am turbo yet - living in a small semi-detached I'm not sure its fair either on my wife or the neighbours!
Tunnabora tonight, just about on the money as I might have been able to do another ladder set or maybe not 🙄
Tunnabora for me as well last night. Legs felt like rubbish so I wasn't pushing myself really hard cadence wise. I only did 2 of the intervals at 120rpm, the others I topped out at 110 (very manageable for me)
Question: last week, this week and I will for some on next week, I've been following the last three weeks of the cx plan to bridge me over between races. However I'm not going to be able to do anything from Friday-Tues due to people coming to stay meaning I have to dismantle my pain cave. I'm hoping to get a light recovery style jog in on Friday. THe following Tues I'll be able to so a real wolrd ride.
I'm thinking to to a more intense workout than prescribed tomorrow to make up for not doing anything over the w/e? Does tat seem sensible or should I just keep to plan and skip the workouts?
Bearing in mind I don't think I'm quite as fatigued as I could be as I've not done the full plan just jumped in for a gap between races.
The would be the a good solution to your situation, something like Givens +3 from the plan.
However can you not ride some hill repeats one morning before the household wakes up? You'll be done in 30 minutes and will most likely be in a better mood for it, (I know I would be).
[i]Do as you're told[/i] is a good one, ferrals, if you fancy a harder one. Did that the other night and thought it was good for cyclocross - a couple of the latter intervals have 20 secs rest. Found it harder than revolver, which is my usual choice for a beast of a workout - think revolver is prob more intense, but the regularity makes it a bit easier to deal with.
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However can you not ride some hill repeats one morning before the household wakes up? You'll be done in 30 minutes and will most likely be in a better mood for it, (I know I would be).
Normally, yes, but not only is it my wife's birthday but it's my folks that are coming to stay so I think it would be pushing it..
edit. I adjusted on of the stock TR workouts to make this the other day which I think replicates cx starts:
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I was doing so well at Huffaker, I decided to up the workout a couple of % in the latter stages... ooof.
Although - serious question - my legs were hurting and the last 30 secs of the last interval were hard to focus on the green bar I didn't feel the need to blow chunks - perhaps I should push up my FTP a bit?
Patience grasshopper (IMHO obviously) 😀
More seriously I'd finish whatever plan element you're on as a proper ftp test every 6 weeks is probably the best bet. I'm not sure of the merit of changing mid-plan based on one result unless you felt it was very low / high as the plans have periodisation built into them so rests etc are just as important. Also that one workout might have been really playing to your strengths anyway.
Ebbrets last night for me. It includes 5 second power spin ups which I just can't manage. I'm sitting at ~240 Watts and if I'm lucky I get to somewhere in the 350 range after 5 seconds when it's asking for 420. I'm using a power2max hooked up to a basic minoura trainer and trying to add loads of resistance doesn't seem to work; neither does quickly changing gears.
Wondering if anybody has any hints or tips as it's clearly something I need to improve on based on last night.
It includes 5 second power spin ups
What's your cadence like? A few seconds before the interval you want to get into a gear where you're doing 240 watts at a relatively low cadence, but one that you can still really spin up to a high cadence as quickly as possible at the start of the interval (for me I'd go from about 75 to 120+). Maybe knock up a gear or two before the 5 seconds are up. I'm most definitely not a sprinter but that'll get me up over 700W. Worth a bit of practice if it's something you want to get good at. Suspect it does depend somewhat on your turbo too. Basically just go berserk and pedal like a maniac, it's only 5 seconds 🙂
I was going to state cadence also - I get from 250 to approx 450 watts going from 95 to 110 in the same gear. I tried changing gears once and zoomed up to 850w. Thats when I discovered I had a sprint.
At 240W I'm spinning at about 85-90. I do go berserk and I'm changing down a couple of seconds before but obviously not enough.... Cadence is a bit of a weak spot for me as my max is ~105 without loosing form. Next time this sort of thing comes up I'll pick a cadence lower for a few seconds before and go properly from min to max.
Angels for me tonight, managed to hit the numbers so its time to up the FTP by 5, ooh goody!
I tried changing gears once and zoomed up to 850w.
jeez - i get to about 650W and the turbo starts rattling!
I started Givens +3 this eve but wasnt feeling it, and then my knee started niggling and I gave up 🙁
Knee pain was exactly the reason/excuse I bailed from Eclipse yesterday. It's funny, watts I can do without an issue as an ave over 20 minutes on the road is a lot harder to do with very little variation and constant work on the turbo.
Really bringing home to me that I have always trained to my strenghs and not my weaknesses, never enjoyed steady state work and have always had a reasonable level of power but not enough fitness or stamina.
Pain and aches inside on a turbo can be a tell tale sign of positioning or cleat issues.
These niggles don't surface when riding on the road as you're always changing your body position, but on the turbo/rollers you tend to sit a lot stiller and thus anything not entirely right gets shown up.
Just a thought.
Thanks, it's a good thought and something that I need to address. I'm using an old mtb frame as a turbo bike with probably less than perfect set up and have just started on the turbo in earnest this last week and a bit.
Worst bit is that my brother bike fits for a living and would go spare if I told him I'd just chucked a spare frame on the turbo with little thought to set up other than that feels ok..
When I started doing some more road miles a few years ago couldn't believe how much set up mattered compared to mtb for comfort and it seems the turbo is a step on again.