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Seems to me that Specialized have decided that anyone who needs an XL size frame can only ride a 29'er - they are not making the 26" Enduro in XL anymore. I don't know why but this is really annoying me. I am all for choice of wheel size, I think its all good, but not if it means that I'm not going to be able to get the bike I want with 26" wheels in the size I think fits me in the future. Has anyone else spotted any evidence of this sort of thing going on? Does anyone know of any unused XL Carbon Enduro frames sitting around from 2011 or 2012?
Other brands are available 😉
If you're after an XL you'd need you head testing to not go for the 29". I'd go with the Evo Stumpy 29" if I were you.
Why would he need his head testing? Not everyone likes how 29" wheels feel, regardless of how tall they are.
Yes I know other brands are available, few of them make a bike with the Geo of an XL spec Enduro. I already own one which fits me like a glove and the only reason I noticed was because I was absent mindedly oggling the latest Carbon version, so it is no skin off my nose at the moment. I am 6'1" so I am not that huge.
My point was about choice, and wondering if the marketing directions and costs involved in making so many iterations of bikes for differnt wheel sizes is going to end up restricting choice rather than adding to it.
And yes I have had a quick car park test on a 29'er - I didn't like it but it wasn't much of a test. I found the slower pick up due to the wagon wheels quite noticable. I like bikes that feel lively and jumpy, 29'er seems to kill it for me. Might be tempted by 650b though I've not tried one yet though and my current bike is fine for now.
And yes I have had a quick car park test on a 29'er - I didn't like it but it wasn't much of a test. I found the slower pick up due to the wagon wheels quite noticable
You got all that from riding in a car park.
Perhaps Specialized are aiming their Enduro model at people who ride enduros, not people who do one lap of a car park, and have found that 29" wheels are best suited for that purpose.
And yes I have had a quick car park test on a 29'er - I didn't like it but it wasn't much of a test. I found the slower pick up due to the wagon wheels quite noticable
have you thought about testing for magazines? with that sort of in depth testing you'd go far*
*or maybe just around a car park
Bike scene and certini usually have Spesh frames mate.
All nice and friendly tonigh lol
Guessing finding a xl test bike of any sort can be a pain.
Any thoughts on my topic Drac or Rocketdog? Or do you just want to pick holes and feel clever? I said it wasn't much of a test, and yes it was noticable. Clearly you know what I feel and like better than me.
Cheers Wookster - I got my current frame from BikeScene actually, good service.
Why would he need his head testing? Not everyone likes how 29" wheels feel, regardless of how tall they are.
Stop thinking about the wheels. The geo of the 29" is what a tall guy needs. Think about the triangulation of the CoG and how longer (30mm on the Stumpy) chainstays and front centre (wheelbase). Add the lower BB drop/roll centre and the rear suspension isn't as taxed.
The taller you are the more the 29" thing becomes a no brainer. I'm sure after a couple of rides the OP would be convinced.
It may just be they did not sell enough xl to warrant making them any longer ,
I think you may have a point orangeboy, that coupled with the fact that a 29'er can be percieved as filling part of the gap the XL 26'er leave behind. But that was kind of my point, are 29'ers going to be the death of 26" wheeled bikes to fit tall people?
Any thoughts on my topic Drac or Rocketdog? Or do you just want to pick holes and feel clever?
Quite evidently the latter not the former... Perhaps if you moderate Drac you should be setting an example rather than putting a normal member down? It's not exactly a level playing field.
Tbh i think if Spesh get there way 29er will be the death of good 26 wheeled bikes regardless of how tall you are,
New sworks enduro is 29 for 2014 as reviewed by pink bike
Can't get a camber in 26 in the uk
Or a stumpy ht
Quite evidently the latter not the former... Perhaps if you moderate Drac you should be setting an example rather than putting a normal member down? It's not exactly a level playing field.
TBF His "bike test" was a lap of a car park and there is nothing wrong with a bit of mickey taking.
I can read Singlespeed Shep! 😉
But that was kind of my point, are 29'ers going to be the death of 26" wheeled bikes to fit tall people?
More than likely, you can blame marketing all you want but people are buying them,
As soon as a demo comes near i'm going to have a proper go on one. Can't wait.
It may just be they did not sell enough xl to warrant making them any longer ,
This.
Unfortunately for tall people like me, the number of XL sizes that are sold is very minimal so it is hard for Specialized to justify producing an XL size for a model that they are probably predicting will see a big hit on sales numbers with the introduction of the new 29er version.
.TBF His "bike test" was a lap of a car park
The OP already admitted it wasn't much of a test though hadn't he. If the average rider can't distinguish between the two wheel sizes in more than a few metres I would be very surprised. I can usually tell quickly whether I like a bike or not - differentiating between two very similarly performing bikes is obviously much harder.
There is also a difference between mickey taking and the often present annoyingly superior attitude that was taken earlier and too often on here...
I was actually quite surprised by how noticable the difference was. I don't think it was the best 29'er bike in the world and the wheels were pretty heavy, which would explain the feel so it wasn't just down the wheel size I'm sure.
I'm not automatically against bigger wheels, I'm quite interested in trying different bikes and would be keen to test a 29'er and 650b bike properly. I only ride bikes for fun, so a bike I find fun is all I am looking for.
I only ride bikes for fun
The best reason!
Any thoughts on my topic Drac or Rocketdog?
Thoughts first riding around a car park isn't going to demonstrate anything apart maybe sizing. Having ridden a couple now the last being the Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc I found them very nice to ride, it performed very well on the climbs and was lovely felt in good control on the descents. Took it down some rocky stuff and the bigger wheel did allow it to roll better, yes I know, but did feel nicer. Seemed to pick up quick enough for me can't say it was slower. I rode it around the Dales I'd ridden my Heckler a couple hours before on the same trail and the preferred the Tallboy LTc of course weighing a hell of a lot more less would help.
As for the sizing thing. I had this discussion last week with a friend and we both believe the same thing, at some point that frames will take 26", 29" and even maybe 650b allowing the frame to be a mixed size and easily tweaked to suit.
Perhaps if you moderate Drac you should be setting an example rather than putting a normal member down?
Fair enough it was a flippant comment but it was in response to what was a silly comment.
Any thoughts on my topic Drac or Rocketdog?
oh, sorry no, I've been testing a 650b on the patio, it's not for me, turning circle is too wide, i knocked over the terracotta pot
oh, sorry no, I've been testing a 650b on the patio, it's not for me, turning circle is too wide, i knocked over the terracotta pot
You see that's more like it...
I'm amazed at how sensitive some people are claiming to be in that after a short 'test ride' they can since so much of a difference. When I moved to a 29er I noticed no paradigm shift. I suspect some minds are made up even before a leg is cocked over the saddle. Maybe the differences people are feeling are more to do with it simply being a different bike full stop. When moving from one 26er to another the feel of the bike can be very different. Maybe the difference is not due to wheel size?
Maybe the differences people are feeling are more to do with it simply being a different bike full stop
I did say that when I was riding it too that it may not be wheels but the bike as a whole.
That's interesting Drac, I can imagine a frame being able to take 26" or 650b with interchangeable drop outs, there are some bikes out there already that can do this I think. 29'er as well seems a bit of a push, the geo too specific surely? Head angle would be wrong at one end of the scale or the other.
Wobbliscott it could well have been due to the wheels being heavy, rather than just their size - always noticeable. As I say, I'd like to do a proper test on a better bike...
If the average rider can't distinguish between the two wheel sizes [s]in more than a few metres[/s] by looking at the bike before riding it I would be very surprised.
If by "I found the slower pick up due to the wagon wheels quite noticable" he means he could tell it accelerated slower than one with smaller wheels, then either the difference is due to the fact he knew the wheels were bigger, or he should hire himself out to research labs as he's clearly far more sensitive to small changes than the average human.
Is it like the Star Wars Christmas Special, and Specialized have sent their lawyers out to crush all existing XL Enduros?
I wouldn't worry about it too much op. Hopefully companies will soon see sense and keep 29ers for road bikes and xc. Not a single one near the top in the enduro world series. 650b is the latest distraction and the entire bike industry is getting behind it. With companies as big as Giant getting on board it will catch on. Spesh will eventually give up trying to flog wagon wheels to everyone and realease 650b bikes in their longer travel range.
Not a single one near the top in the enduro world series.
You're presumably just looking at the men's field? TMO (of this parish) won the women's event on a 29er.
I wouldn't worry about it too much op. Hopefully companies will soon see sense and keep 29ers for road bikes and xc. Not a single one near the top in the enduro world series. 650b is the latest distraction and the entire bike industry is getting behind it. With companies as big as Giant getting on board it will catch on. Spesh will eventually give up trying to flog wagon wheels to everyone and realease 650b bikes in their longer travel range.
Lopes and Keene on 120 and 135mm 29" bikes in 15th and 16th places. Explain to me how they can give away 30mm of travel and still be competitive?
Back to the OP ditch specialized, find somebody who makes the bike you want, there are plenty as good out there you might just have to look a bit harder.
Not a single one near the top in the enduro world series.You're presumably just looking at the men's field? TMO (of this parish) won the women's event on a 29er
Flamer pnwned 😆
Lopes and Keene on 120 and 135mm 29" bikes in 15th and 16th places. Explain to me how they can give away 30mm of travel and still be competitive?
For people who want to win, 15th & 16th isn't really competitive.
Wasn't it you telling us how 29er's were going to rule the EWS?
Not a single[b]trakworlder[/b] [s]one[/s] near the top in the enduro world series.
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It's amazing how sensitive/aggressive the 29er evangelists are. It seems to get them very upset if you don't immediately spaff over every single 29er. Apparently riding a 29er and not liking it proves nothing - riding a 29er and liking it proves everything.
29ers coming nowhere in a race proves nothing - 29ers winning a race proves everything. 😕
It's amazing how sensitive/aggressive the 29er evangelists are. It seems to get them very upset if you don't immediately spaff over every single 29er. Apparently riding a 29er and not liking it proves nothing - riding a 29er and liking it proves everything.29ers coming nowhere in a race proves nothing - 29ers winning a race proves everything.
The exact opposite can be said for the 26" crew,
Not all 29ers are the same, just like 26ers.
As for the racing, the best rider wins.
The exact opposite can be said for the 26" crew,
Not on this thread. The whole concept of a '26" crew' is bloody ridiculous. I'm sure 29ers have their merits, just don't jump down someone's throat if they say they don't want one, as several people have done.
grum wrote:It's amazing how sensitive/aggressive the 29er evangelists are. It seems to get them very upset if you don't immediately spaff over every single 29er. Apparently riding a 29er and not liking it proves nothing - riding a 29er and liking it proves everything.
29ers coming nowhere in a race proves nothing - 29ers winning a race proves everything.
Spot on! And actually there's only a very very small number of real 29er evangelists. - it's just that they are really persistent.
Specialized obviously expect taller people to move over to 29ers, XL bikes are a small enough market already. An XL long-travel 29er with really short chainstays is probably going to sell well. Its interesting that they are up-sizing the whole bike and then obsessively shortening the chainstays. It will make the bike easier to handle for shorter people but it might actually compromise it for tall ones.