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Or do you still need both?
both
IME you need both, the neoguard (aka Beef-flap) stops mud that flys forward then back towards you from the top of the tyre but it still need a crudcatcher to stop mud flying up from the back of your tyre into your eyes.
IMO - just neo guard is adeqate.
Crud catcher on down tube catches mud when moving slowly from being flicked upwards, once speed is up most seems to fly forward being where the neo guard does its job.
I only dropped using crud catcher around Feb. time slimming down to just a neo guard on both bikes and have found this fine in ALL conditions North downs has inflicted on me.
Some mud still gets through, but 90% seems to be dealt with by neo guard.
I haven't used a crud-catcher since 1996.
Are 'neoguards' an expensive version of a bit of inner tube tied between fork crown and brace? If so, they seem to work fine.
higgo - yes, non-pikey verison of inner tube solution (no offence to pikies intended)
both in winter but if i had to choose 1 it would be the neogaurd or a diy job, currently using just a modified neogaurd
I use both when it's really cruddy. The Neoguard stays on all year though.