[Closed] The road disk debacle continues - banned from French Sportives

There's got to be an emerging market for carbon fibre protective fairings developing from this on-going story.

If any of you 'things I have made' thread contributors profit from my idea, I want a cut.

What are they going to do about the large disc covered in sharp teeth?

Except that'd just lead to overheating calipers/disks?

Mehhh, unless they're closed roads, you could wind them up twice over and just go ride anyway without paying, with the now obvious get out of jail free card if anyone asked "no, I'm no freeloading off your sportive, look I'm using disks, therefore not part of your sportive at all".

What are they going to do about the large disc covered in sharp teeth?

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What are they going to do about the large disc covered in sharp teeth?

Consider it an unavoidable risk with known outcomes and not introduce more risks of a similar nature?

Other than whataboutery do you have any points to make.

What are they going to do about the large disc covered in sharp teeth?

Tell the riders to MTFU and stop using the granny ring.

where the hell am i going to get rim brakes for my fatbike?

Stopping pedaling gives about 3g of deceleration, ime, Jo.

I've had to start using extra strong fixative to stop my dentures flying out.

Just stick yer foot in behind the crown of the fork Jo. You're not likely to be going that quick anyway, right?

😆 Lee.

Tell the riders to MTFU and stop using the granny ring.

😆 😆 😆

It's a fair point though as the chain does a remarkably good job of covering a good 3/4 of the teeth.

Consider it an unavoidable risk with known outcomes and not introduce more risks of a similar nature?

It's not unavoidable: there is a picture of the solution on this thread.

You can't put a fairing on, they'd boil.
Enclosed discs could be useful as a portable grill on long trips.
Perhaps the Scottoiler chaps could find a way of rerouting burger grease to the chain?

Surely you could just uglify the discs a bit with some expandable protective beading?
I think B&Q might have a sale on.

Flog 'em to the lookalikes as 'Disc Protectors' and claim some spurious aerodynamic advantage.
There might even be a new standard in it.

This really is pathetic - has any one on here ever been 'sliced open' by a disc brake?
With the amount of times i crash Its an injury I for one would certainly expect to have been inflicted with in the last 2yrs of using disc brakes - can't say I've every heard of any mtb'er getting cut up like those rodies are going on about.
Now branding on the other hand......

F1-style Halo device on fork blade to protect riders from rotors, but give cooling airflow? 😆

has any one on here ever been 'sliced open' by a disc brake?

I did cut my hand on one a while back in a bungled bike maintenance manoeuvre.

has any one on here ever been 'sliced open' by a disc brake?

No?

Only me then?
Ah well.

What are they going to do about the large disc covered in sharp teeth?

More importantly, what are they going to do about that hard road thing?

what are they going to do about that hard road thing?

Require everyone to wear a protective layer of thin stretchy material?

No, but then how many of you have ended up under a pile of a dozen or more bikes after a 50kph crash?
No?

Only me then?
Ah well.

In a sportive? Hopefully no-one, ever

You seen some sportive riders 😯

(and i meant in a road race, but you knew that.)

Something like this shouldn't tax the designers/manufacturers too much....

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No, but then how many of you have ended up under a pile of a dozen or more bikes after a 50kph crash?
No?

Only me then?
Ah well.

So that's 100% of STW riders have never been "sliced open by a disc brake" in race conditions then!!

My mate once burnt his hand (he touched it to see if it was hot 🙄 ) on an MTB disc rotor when he got to the bottom of an alpine ride. Does that count?

I'm surprised TimK's not posted...

Is there any footage of Fran Ventoso's crash? Just puzzling how a disc rotor could cause a deep cut like that. Maybe if the edge had notches in it I suppose.

edit:

just seen this:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/teams-cast-doubts-on-whether-disc-brakes-caused-francisco-ventosos-paris-roubaix-injury-221630

Seems other teams aren't convinced either

Sliced? No, cut? Yes, in fact it was a combined cut and branding from a hot disc. It was off road mind you, and it was going too fast, down an unfamiliar hill on a bike I didn't know.

Bloody hurt that did, I still have the scare to prove it.

[s]My mate [/s]A very young child once burnt his hand (he touched it to see if it was hot ) on an MTB disc rotor [s]when he got to[/s] at the bottom of an alpine ride. Does that count? 🙂

Nobody who uses a bike as a bit of sports equipment bought a disc bike anyway, they can still be made and will be bought by anyone who wants one.

Whats the problem?

*Awaits the arrival of Tim "Fingers" Kershaw to the rhread*...

Maybe they'll be banning these on the Fred Whitton next, and it's fine trying to make your square pegs fit round holes but burying yourself on a sportive under dozens of bikes at 50KPH is commendable.

What I cannot fathom out is this? WHY are rim brakes now deemed to be inadequate for descending when up until fairly recently they have been fine? The UCI called for a ban on disks and now the French follow suit, what did everyone expect them to do overrule and challenge them?

I personally cannot see the point of Disks on a lightweight bike intended for road riding / racing. How many descents will be longer and faster this year than previous years?
At what point did someone actually think "Do you know what, I'm just too fast for that and it's not capable of stopping me safely"

I'm not an expert in this field as others are but my feeling is that the whole Safety thing is an excuse to out them and also to dissipate their own heat from dangerous motor bikes getting in the way of proceedings.

[i]up until fairly recently they have been [s]fine[/s] tolerated as the only reasonably reliable and readily available solution[/i]

So why didn't All the Pro teams have everything lined up at the start of the season and roll out this new tolerated braking system?

I personally cannot see the point of Disks on a lightweight bike intended for road riding / racing. How many descents will be longer and faster this year than previous years?
At what point did someone actually think "Do you know what, I'm just too fast for that and it's not capable of stopping me safely"

It would be nice to have a braking system that didn't eat away at a key, structural part of the bike every time you used them.

As I've always said: Disc brakes are largely pointless for professional racers, but would be beneficial to Joe or Jane Average Bike Owner.

Just stick yer foot in behind the crown of the fork Jo. You're not likely to be going that quick anyway, right?

Just use your hands

What are they going to do about the large disc covered in sharp teeth?

Mandate 1x11? Can't get hit by a tooth if the chain is in the way!

Besides, it's France. Compliance with rules is optional anyway.

What I cannot fathom out is this? WHY are rim brakes now deemed to be inadequate for descending when up until fairly recently they have been fine?

You're so right. Bring back wooden rimmed wheels, I'm sure they were once deemed adequate.

Seriously. Inadequate > adequate > good > better > best

No-one's saying you can't opt for rim brakes, just that there is a new alternative. Except there isn't any more because someone's knee-jerkily decided they aren't safe, when so far I've only seen one piece of evidence that they aren't, and that evidence (one rider's opinion) was then immediately discredited when the same rider said someone else had had the same happen with the same results only for it to be proved there was an entirely different cause!

Disc brakes are largely pointless for professional racers, but would be beneficial to Joe or Jane Average Bike Owner

In terms of racing performance - this.

Those recent pro crashes with the disc rotor injuries are looking increasingly like a joke - one crash not even involving one of the teams with disc brakes fitted.

If the pros don't want them, then fine, but don't blame injuries on things that weren't even there.

Same ridiculous arguments as in every orher disc thread, bottom line- If the users wanted them you wouldn't need convince them.

What I can't figure out is why someone who uses a bike in one way, should get so upset by what sort of braking system someone who uses a bike completely differently prefers!?!

I have a disc equipped road bike. I can categorically say that they make me a far more confident rider, can descend better and brake in a more controlled (less panicky) manner and as such am a much safer rider, especially when in groups.

I'm not sure they're required in the pro peloton, but to start banning them in sportives or amateur events is wrong.

It'll be interesting to see what manufacturers do in response to this...

What next all BMX should have panniers because you think their the best way of carrying luggage?

I think the difference between this and a pro race is that one would hope a sportive would be reasonably open to people who only had one bike (albeit a fairly sporty one) - as far as I am aware you wouldn't expect a spare wheel etc. on a sportive.

That said, a spinning disc is more likely to cut than a chainring and will continue spinning as long as the bike is moving, or even for a while when not (particularly if you have mechanical fraud going on, eh?). I'm not sure of the safety argument in any case, but it is certainly a different set of considerations to what the pro peleton should be running.

The manufacturers just need to make disc only frames.. The only way to make stuff obsolete is to stop making it and bring in a new standard.. Down with rim brakes and those scared of discs!

The biggest knee jerk reaction is by all the disk brake equipped road bike owners.
Do they not see at all how a disc on the front wheel can cause injuries , especially in a high speed mass pile up?

can descend better and brake in a more controlled (less panicky) manner and as such am a much safer rider, especially when in groups.

I can't see how the braking systems makes any difference, people have been riding in groups for over 80 years without problems. Heck on the velodrome they don't even have brakes (use the fixie for controlling speed).

one would hope a sportive would be reasonably open to people who only had one bike

They aren't and have never been, you think recumbents are allowed?

It is worth noting that a sportive in France is really a race, they aren't like UK ones. I don't know whether the French run them under full UCI rules, but it wouldn't surprise me, and hence possibly the discs ban.