[Closed] The rise of rudeness on this forum ?

Probably cos we're crap at football...

****in tosser

It's always the same few people.

me to its gone down to it's lowest point in my view.

oh, I see, so the rise of domestic footy related aggression is reflected on the forum too ?

I think there is a minority of people on 'ere who fit that profile sfb - I was talking to a mate about actually meeting some of these guys /gals in the flesh. Most are unlike their STW personas so why do people choose to be knobs on here if in real life they are nice people?

Indeed. I don't post much, hardly at all TBH, partly because whatever is written can be taken the wrong way, taken out of context, misrepresented etc. and partly because it boils my beans when folk get shirty over something trivial. It'd be different in conversation of course, you get a more animated, coherent and freer exchange of opinion and argument face-to-face.

no its because some people, quite rightly, get offended at certain comments but instead of turning over to a different thread, they insist on stoking the flames which, in turn, incenses the person who posted the offending comment/image/joke and eventually leads to an argument. Arguments are natural and should not be avoided nor discouraged but they should be mediated, which they are on here (to an extent). Too much interference creates a sterile environment that no one wants.

I for one enjoy a good argument and would stop contributing on here if it was to become sterile.

Let the arguments continue.

i am less confrontational nowadays.......... 8)

Too many blokes, too many keyboard warriors.

It's the heat

if you read the locked footie thread in reverse it goes from nazi histrionics to calm and humorous quite quickly. You're reading the threads from the wrong end.

Let the arguments continue.

don't get me wrong, I love arguing, but that's not the same as a slanging match - though many of my past arguments have gone that way - but I don't get offended

I blame it on the increacing MBUK'ness of the contributors to the forum, it seems to be attracting a different type of person to those it was 6 6ears or so back when I joined.

Mark_Datz (might be the extream example)
Neil/Fruit/Tango
Kaesea
etc etc

Simon - on the diet related one I admit to baiting the person who was threatening violence - and I certainly did not take that threat seriously in any way - I suspect it was hyperbole from the other side for (comic) effect.

I have not seen any great rise in rudeness I must say - I have my usual fanboys who like to follow my posts and slag me but they have abated their efforts a bit recently and there are other people who I get into arguments with that can become heated.

I feel that the people who lose their temper and make the intemperate posts and slag off other posters have rather shown their inadequacy and have lost the debate. ( even tho I have been guilty of this myself)

So I don't think it is any worse than it has been but there are a couple of people who have been posting fairly rude and stupid things IMO - but who am I to judge.

It really is getting quite childish on here now, too many a""holes taking offence to jokes and someonelse's take on a paticular subjects if it doesn't agree with THEIR opinion as well as bans been placed on folks who actually are out to take the pi$$.

Yesterday i finally had enough, i happily listen to other peoples opinions as it would be a very boring world if we all agreed with everyone else but after reading some of the comments on the Armed Forces Day by eldridge and a couple of others i just really couldnt be bothered anymore.

12 years i was in the Royal Marines. Recently i have lost a couple of very good mates out there, but i have realised there is absolutely no point of arguing with some people.Cos aparently we are all torturing, raping and having a blast kicking the shit out of innocent people.

So for a while im gonna bow out, and let other people get angry over trivial shite.

And to you eldridge - i hope wherever you are that you are tucked up nice and safe in your cosy rose tinted life. Some people are not.
Have a nice day all.

Eldridge was bang out of order on that thread. I hope he is gone never to return.

I agree with his sentiments to some extent but that was not the place to air them

I was reading the comments on the armed forces thread in disbelief

I delete after posting or give up half way through typing half the stuff that would be my input as there's nothing you can say, no matter how casual or trivial a point, that won't attract the wrath of some self righteous keyboard warrior.

The deciding thing for me came a while ago when some cycle commuting chap was flamed for daring to complain that a car had rolled into him at a stop sign. The guy was [i]hit by a car[/i], and even that wasn't good enough to avoid him being treat like an idiot.

It made me realise that when you post something on STW you're wrong, whatever side of an argument you decide to fall on, even if it's both. And everyone will just automatically assume you're an idiot, whatever you say.

Keyboard warrior hindsight jockeying. And it's a real shame, as the people I've met in real life have all been sound. Mountain bikers in general are a lovely bunch, and I want these forums to be ace, and they can and have been at points in the previous 5 or so years I've been on, but at the moment it's just ridiculous.

I wonder who's going to be the one to hit me with the old faithful [i]'don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out'[/i] line.

it's an internet forum about bikes and sh*t

anyone who gets angry or upset about a post needs to get out and interact with the real world a bit more.

I'd like to see a limit on the amount of characters per day that people are allowed to post.

I'm sick of the same four or five people dominating every single thread with either pointless trolling, self aggrandisement or spurious "knowledge" picked up from the back of a cornflake packet.

Eldridge was bang out of order on that thread. I hope he is gone never to return

I stopped reading at his initial comment!

It's a shame that post got blocked - eldridge can never argue his point properly...he always goes quiet when he knows you've got the better of him. Typical bully behaviour.

those with a large post count should be given a profile which is written by the moderators/ me so that any newby/ naive posters can see which members are looking for an argument or a debate (ie trolling) so that they can be avoided or at least know what they're letting themselves in for
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a forum offenders register

Bakes - so thats SFB. Me and Ernie with health warnings then?

People are all very different and to come on an internet forum expecting conformance to any of your opinions is expecting too much. There are some very argumentative people on here but you all know who they are so either don't interact or join the argument. Up to you.

Some of the recent posts on the holocaust and armed forces day go too far and quite rightly those people should be banned.

How about a more detailed profile, with a list of bans and links to the the offending posts? Just so we can get more of an idea of the general attitude and behaviour of the poster. 🙂

I think that the changing of user names seems to have been stopped, which is good.

I'd also like to see a sticky of the current most prolific posters, but as stated before, I think a limit on characters/posts per day or week would be most useful. Would make people consider their posts more carefully.

Bakes - so thats SFB. Me and Ernie with health warnings then?

self-aggrandisement - an act undertaken to increase your own power and influence or to draw attention to your own importance

I just stick to bikey related bits and general daft stuff now, as some folks get terribly uptight and seem to go out of their way to cause strife. I can only assume it's angry bank clerk syndrome where instead of being paintball rambos at the weekend to make up for a dead end job and not being happy with their lot they come on here and try to widdle on other peoples chips.

+1 for what tazzy said. Spot on.

It's political correctness gone bad I tell thee!

They say that (some high percentage) of communication is non-verbal. So when you get discussions on the Internet you lose the body language, the cheeky grin or knowing wink, and people react badly to things that are meant in jest or are simply misunderstood. It's often very difficult to put yourself across in writing, some people aren't that good at it and you don't get the chance to interrupt and get told "well, no, of course I didn't mean that" that would be an integral part of a face-to-face debate.

So instead, people get snippy or angry about the most mundane things. But I don't think that it's a particular feature of STW, it's endemic across the Internet.

[I]self-aggrandisement - an act undertaken to increase your own power and influence or to draw attention to your own importance[/i]

Wrong, TJ has fanboys apparently, he's that big already 🙂

which members are looking for an argument or a debate (ie trolling)

I thought trolling meant pretending to opinions one didn't hold ?

bigger than ton?

why do people choose to be knobs on here if in real life they are nice people

What, all of 'em?

SFB - trolling means dragging a combative line to see who you can draw into a tiger-trap-sized argument. No-one but you really cares whether you're being true to yourself or inventing your own character.

MrSmith - Member

it's an internet forum about bikes and sh*t

anyone who gets angry or upset about a post needs to get out and interact with the real world a bit more.

what he said

Cougar - Member

They say that (some high percentage) of communication is non-verbal. So when you get discussions on the Internet you lose the body language, the cheeky grin or knowing wink, and people react badly to things that are meant in jest or are simply misunderstood. It's often very difficult to put yourself across in writing, some people aren't that good at it and you don't get the chance to interrupt and get told "well, no, of course I didn't mean that" that would be an integral part of a face-to-face debate.

So instead, people get snippy or angry about the most mundane things. But I don't think that it's a particular feature of STW, it's endemic across the Internet.

Absolutely true. An example on this thread

I thought trolling meant pretending to opinions one didn't hold ?

you can't help yourself can you? 😀

It's only a bike forum after all, why take it so seriously?

All the people I have had the good fortune to meet from STW have been pretty sound folk 😀

been [s]pretty[/s] sound folk

fixed that for you!

no one (myself included)from STW is pretty. Cyclists road/track/atb are all ugly ****ers with a dreadful dress sense (lycra 3/4's with baggies FFS!) and if the majority of the STW forumites I've met are anything to go by mostly broad of beam heavy treaders as well. 😆

it's an internet forum about bikes and sh*t

anyone who gets angry or upset about a post needs to get out and interact with the real world a bit more.

No. It's words in the public domain. Publishing them requires the same concern, respect and consideration as any other means of publication. After all, we don't generally say, "it's only a newspaper.. Tv programme.. Or whatever". Saying it's only a forum othe Internet is just a rubbish excuse to try and get away with saying anything you like, no matter how insulting. You type it, say it, broadcast it or whatever and people will quite naturally react to it with whatever emotion they feel. You don't get a pass just because it's on the Internet.

tazzymtb - Member

been pretty sound folk

fixed that for you!

no one (myself included)from STW is pretty. Cyclists road/track/atb are all ugly ****ers with a dreadful dress sense (lycra 3/4's with baggies FFS!) and if the majority of the STW forumites I've met are anything to go by mostly broad of beam heavy treaders as well.

Puts down pie, lifts up hand.

In all honesty, I quite like the forum the way it is - including most of the attention whores 😀 Can you really imagine a list of the most prolific posters? The competition to get to number 1 would be fierce, but unremittingly dull.

Still think I might be onto something regarding the limited posting opportunities though.

Everyone I've met from here has been very pleasant in real life and I'm sure that would apply to the vast majority.

The "really nice in real life" thing sounds like the sort of thing we hear after somebody has been on a killing spree.

Not saying anyone from here is dangerously psychotic of course (because they might put me on their list).

No. It's words in the public domain. Publishing them requires the same concern, respect and consideration as any other means of publication. After all, we don't generally say, "it's only a newspaper.. Tv programme.. Or whatever". Saying it's only a forum othe Internet is just a rubbish excuse to try and get away with saying anything you like, no matter how insulting. You type it, say it, broadcast it or whatever and people will quite naturally react to it with whatever emotion they feel. You don't get a pass just because it's on the Internet.

i wasn't trying to excuse voicing opinions that are only there to inflame but rather people letting themselves be annoyed by what people they don't know post on an internet forum.
same goes for the mainstream media (tv newspapers) anyone who thinks what's reported/written is the absolute truth or the whole story is deluded. getting worked up about a bit of lazy 'journalism' is pointless.
"concern" "respect" and "consideration" are hardly at the forefront of the media. they come a long way behind profit and sensationalism.

Oh and Spoony: Mark Datz was a wind-up - and he was funny not rude.

if there are not a handfull of bans arising from the armed forces day thread, i for one shall vote with my feet. Im disgusted.

about to read some of "Oh Dear" similarly locked.....

*Adds cha****ng to list*

I can spot a Norwegian Bridge dweller from a mile away so I know when there's no need to get upset over their comments.

well that really is the shocker for the day, padded-**** gets yet another ban.

:yawn:

I cannot stand all this intolerance.

padded**** Que? Obi twa was smee. Who was fred masquerading as now?

This forum has taught me two things. One, the majority of mountain bikers are so lovely. Really. They'll help and advise people they've never met on all kinds of random subjects, send route maps through the post and patiently explain the mechanics of metabolism for anyone who asks. That's awesome.
The other thing I've learnt is the definition of the word troll. And that people with psychiatric disorders/problems are disgusting and not worth bothering with *shrugs* I knew some people thought that anyway. Que cera. The latter will never remove the happiness at finding the former, to be honest.

So, is there any reason for people on this particular forum to be so touchy and rude? Or is it the people who mountain bike, as opposed to any other sport/pastime.

I've very rarely seen an argument develop on skiing or clmbing/mountaineering forums as they do on here, for such incredibly trivial things.

I know for a fact that many of my friends look on here from time to time, but never post as they are scared of being 'flamed' by some desk-bound forum-warrior. That cannot be a good thing, yet looking at many of the posts above it would seem that most of the 'prolific' STW posters deliberately come on here for an argument! Why not come on here to either ask for advice or help someone out? Would that not be a more positive 'ethos' for a forum?

Still, this one's going quite well so far...

Let's hope no-one comes along anytime soon with the idea that sixty years after a supermassive black hole of grief that's still bleeding into the world, it's O.K. to say the sickness is funny.

i think in general that the forum is good.
i have met and ridden with loads off here,and never had a bad word/feeling about any of them (even barnes) 😆

some people do come on here just to wind people up...(i have done so in the past)
i now tend to not read posts put up by these people, and i think people will do the same about my post's.

it takes all sort's......... 8)

"And that people with psychiatric disorders/problems are disgusting and not worth bothering with "

hmm

"People with psychiatric disorders/problems are disgusting and not worth bothering with"

Well..... I've just finished taking my anti-depressants,anti-psychotics and mood stabilisers for the evening, so i'm gonna assume that that sounded better in your head than it looks on the page:)

dont mind a humorous insult - and you forget banter between people on here has built up over time so it is said between mates.
Dont mind having what I have said insulted or my reasoning but some people just call you a names which I find pointless.
Occasionally I respond after enough baiting

As well as the arguments etc, the thing that i find anoying is the people that insist on trying to put down people, who may not be particualy accademic. This forum is for people from all walks of life, some are bright/clever, but some may not be (me?) Is it the end of the world if someone makes a spelling mistake / poor gramma on the forum? i dont think so, and would certainly not try to discredit someone for it. They may be bad spellers but they may be a genius in their own life!
On a brighter note, there are some genuinly funny members on here, that i enjoy their comments, and hope that if i ever do meet them they are as entertaining in real life.

Dont mind having what I have said insulted or my reasoning but some people just call you a names which I find pointless.

evening shortar5e.......... 😉

manc.................. 😯

I've always worked to the theory that if the best comeback you can muster is to attack someone's spelling, you've already lost the argument.

Buzzlightyear/Jahwomble -> someone else informed me of this in a discussion about losing weight. It's not my view, it's someone elses here. I meant I knew people thought that, and you know, they can think what they like.
Yours, a fat person who's taken more pills than she'd like to admit to in an attempt to cheer the hell up. And for whom biking is anti-depressant in a non chemical form. Sorry guys, that was an appalling way of expressing things.

S'ok, I assumed it had just come out wrong 🙂

OK no worries.

I've always worked to the theory that if the best comeback you can muster is to attack someone's spelling, you've already lost the argument.

totally true. I try ot mkae my potss as spulling mistak free as pssoblie btu tehre aer poelpe woh cna't splel btu I woludn't atatkc tehm beacues of it!

loulou, feel the warmth............. 8)

Lou was saying "that's what some people seem to think" - not her opinion!

Spelling / grammar - some people are dysexic, don't have English as a first language, or downright can't spell. That doesn't necessarily make their points any less valid.

That said, I'm a proper grammar nazi when it comes to things like "professionally" printed signs and such, there's just no excuse. And I've little time for people who intentionally speak like 'tards.

We've already made up 🙂

And that people with psychiatric disorders/problems are disgusting and not worth bothering with

I think people can be unpleasant without being mentally ill, and this comment is prejudicial to those with real mental health problems 🙁

I've been on this forum for 7+ years and it's a better place for having more people even if I do miss kluster's uberleftfield comments...

crappy comments don't deserve a response imho

kaersae is a genius and made me laugh

no-one ever beats theprawn for trolling etc... forum legend. the rest just try too hard 🙂

My observations.

1. There are several who seem to spend almost every waking hour on the site
2. Their knowledge is vast........or is Wiki their friend 😉
3. Spelling really isn't important
4. Those who spout loudest about bullying are actually the worst offenders
5. Not everyone on STW votes labour
6. Some people take themselves waaaaay too seriously (see posts 4 & 5)
7. Most only care about their own viewpoint and don't bother reading threads properly
(so you are all @rseholes! See no-one noticed)
8. The Scots are easy to wind up (testing no.7)
9. The vast majority are genuine helpful people who really enjoy their bike(s)
10. Classifieds etiquette appears to have gone by the wayside. Does it really take that much to let someone know if you've changed your mind etc. ?
11. Thank god Ro has gone.
12. If the site didn't exist I would probably ride more/get more done but on the other hand, 3 of my bikes and parts have come directly from here.

So, on balance it's a damn fine source of knowledge and amusement [img] /happy-smiley-541.gif[/img]

I think people can be unpleasant without being mentally ill, and this comment is prejudicial to those with real mental health problems