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Just another post so I can message sellers in the classifieds
And another. Just another post so I can message sellers in the classifieds
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Is Stan only using this site for learning? If so, despite the amount of knowledge on this forum, there is also a huge amount of nonsense. How will Stan know what to ignore (or not use as fact)?
This is going to result in Stan being like Grok for Elon and it ends up regurgitating all the incorrect stuff and helping to feed the misinformation. A bit like Elon now getting fed all the absolute mince from X and then sharing it and giving it more validity in some way.
Images. If I click on an image, that I or someone else has placed within a post, it hyperlinks to a completely different image.
Is there any intention to bring back the 'delete post' button?
This talk to Stan thing... I get dark text on a dark backgound in the text input... looks like nothing is happening when you type in it.
The security check is becoming tedious. Shame when the forum seems to run well otherwise
We have a ticket open with Kinsta suppory now about the Cloudflare issue
Today's expereince.
1/ open STW from browser and start navigating the forum but realise the most recent post is 08/05/2026
2/ clear cache and history on Firefox browser (which is irritating as it logs me out of every other site I'm using). Still 08/05/2026
3/ OK I'll try to log in. Eventually succeed after multiple hurdles having learned that you ignore the first red warning about the cache even if you've just cleared the cache and here I am.
4/ If I want to see my own replies and any reactions to them I know I'm going to have to go through the same procedure again.
I must be really keen to know what Timba is posting on Ukraine. 🙂
2/ clear cache and history on Firefox browser (which is irritating as it logs me out of every other site I'm using). Still 08/05/2026
You can clear just the STW cookie. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/clear-cookies-and-site-data-firefox
Also, the database for Free Members is sometimes behind. Mark can give a more detailed description.
That caching error at login should be fixed now.
The forum is cached for logged in users, regardless of paid or free. Both should get the latest updated pages. It's only when logged out that the page may be an old version.
Isn't that the opposite of what you said before? You said cached pages = older data, unless I'm hallucinating. Which is wholly possible, I didn't get a great deal of sleep.
I'll be honest, I don't understand this configuration whichever way around it is. Maybe that's on me, I'm not a webdev and obviously I have no visibility of anything. But surely all requests should be going to the cache in the first instance for performance reasons? A cache miss should then presumably have to make a direct database query which is slower.
Is there a TTL on cached data? Is that why cached pages can be out of date, the cache doesn't know it's out of date until it has cause to go check? (I'm thinking like DNS here...)
💡 Oh hang on, is it a communal write cache we're talking about? Logged-out users aren't seeing changes because they haven't been fully committed to the database yet?
No. You are right. I meant the exact opposite of what I wrote 🙂
Logged in users DO NOT get cached pages. Only Logged out users get cached (old) pages. Free or Full members are treated the same though for the purposes of caching. We try to make sure that if you are logged in, no matter your sub level, you get the most up-to-date version of a page.
Soooooooooooo "caching" in this context is for server load rather than (direct) user performance?
Ie, the Great Unwashed being served cached pages means it's faster for people with an account?
Yes, there's a performance benefit but that's not the principle reason. An uptodate cached page is literally an oxymoron. If it's cached at all, even for a really short period of a few seconds, the page is not uptodate. Where a user is posting a reply, you expect to see that reply appear in seconds. Any delay can result in the user hitting post/reply again and we get a double post. To engage with the forum in any way other than simply reading something you MUST get the very latest version of that page for the forum to operate well. So, for forums, the universal way is to not cache the page for logged in users. Logged out users vastly outnumber the logged in users on our site. If we offered logged out users the same uncached, bang up to date pages then we'd have some serious server performance issues. So... that's why our setup is uncached for logged in. Cached for logged out.
It IS possible to run a forum uncached for all users but the cost to having every page extracted from the database for everyone is a huge load on any server. With multiple servers or a server farm, say like Facebook or a big social media platform or Reddit, you can give all your visitors, logged in or not, the live page right out of the database. For the likes of us with our large forum but small budget, we make do with a single dedicated server, multiple cores and lots of RAM But with a powerful (Redis) object cache and we prioritise who gets the best experience based on their user levels. In the case of the forum that's logged in or not.
That said, WPForo (The software creators of our forum) have their own specific forum cache built in to the forum software. It's not caching the entire page including the actual content (which is kind of how normal page caching works), but what it does do is cache parts of the page that don't change, like the stylesheets and small images/icons etc. So it's a special kind of limited cache for forums.
For more try the following as a Google search 'How to cache a forum'.
For more try the following as a Google search 'How to cache a forum'.
Subtle. 😁
I did look at this very superficially a little while ago. Consensus seemed to be "enable WPforo's cache and disable everything else because it conflicts" but of course that's Bottom Half Of The Internet advice so who knows, and I'm not the one at STW's coal face.
I appreciate the explanation, though. I find it all quite fascinating and I like learning things.
@mark Can you not call the cloudflare (or whoever you're using) API to clear page caches as new posts are made? Old pages can then be served from the cache while logged out users still get up-to-date versions of the forum front page and newly changed posts?
One of the problems is that the forum gets so many replies that if we were clearing/updating the logged out user cache on every update it would essentially be serving live database pages to every visitor. By caching for logged out users and setting the cache expiry to a fixed period we maintain the higher performsnce of the forum for logged in users. There’s possibly some fine tuning to the expiry time in the cache we can play with but it’s very much a case of improve it here and it affects performance there sort of thing. The important thing when we made the current cache changes was that we got the forum working effectively and rapidly for logged in users. We are constantly tweaking.
To your point about cache clearing, we have two cache systems. The site wide Redis object cache and the built in WPForo forum cache. What we have learned (the hard way) is that trying to use the site cache to manage forums is problematic to say the least. This is why good forum software tries to deal with caching in a very specific way separately to the rest of the site or they conflict with each other and things break.
How frustrating. It’s my first visit in weeks. Im
a paid subscriber. I see this 
Yup. Sorting things with hosts Kinsta.
hopefully not long to be fixed.
Heads up I'm about to go on holiday for 2 weeks. Heading to Whistler for Whismas (The transition from snow to bike in the park). It's a self funded holiday ie. it's NOT work. Been looking forward to this for a LOOOOng time - it's my 55th birthday treat since I was fully locked down for my 50th. Anyhoo. that's not as important as the fact my responses on here will be fewer until the end of the month. I'll be checking in and I'll be picking up emails. Any subscribers with issues you can still email me but I'd suggest you also CC'd subs@singletrackworld.com. Heather picks those up as well as I do. But bear in mind Heather is 3days/week.
If you want to keep subscribers, try not making it so hard to subscribe
- Invalid value posted for Payment Schedule
- Order #13606693 has not been added to the cart.
If you want to keep subscribers, try not making it so hard to subscribe
Did you notice the post directly above yours? That tells you what you need to do.
What's this crap all about......
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Error establishing a Redis connection
To disable Redis, delete the object-cache.php file in the /wp-content/ directory."
Can you provide some context please?
Can you provide some context please?
I clicked to enter then got that message and it just sat there and hung. I tried again and it let me in. Had it happen a couple of times.
Edited to add: I had clicked on Singletrack World Magazine Forum – Singletrack World Magazine
If you want to keep subscribers, try not making it so hard to subscribe
Did you notice the post directly above yours? That tells you what you need to do.
I wasn’t asking a question. But thanks for the condescension.
Sigh.
Just an observation but now, when you look at a thread, finish reading to the bottom, then press your back button, it goes back to where you were on Overview, and then back to the top of the page.
The back button doesn't refresh the overview page as far as I know, and so you work your way down the forum topics, read one, read the next, you're maybe two thirds down the topics that interest you. Then you press back (in the absence of the very handy overview button that has been long since removed from the bottom of threads) and you hope to go back to where your were. This is literally what back means.
Instead you go back to where your were, then suddenly you get windowshaded back to the very top again, and then have to scroll down the page again every single time to find where you'd got up to before.
Quite annoying.
If you want to get a refreshed overview page now, you go to the bottom, tap the top of the page arrow, get whizzed back to the top, find the overview button that's now not called overview and you get taken back to a refreshed overview.
If you don't want a refreshed overview, then the back button sending you back to the top of an unrefreshed page seems a bit pointless. To me anyway.
Let back be back. Let overview be overview.
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I’m using STW less and less as invariably it’s the only website in the world that I try to use quite routinely just does not load on my iPhone and it appears to be more and more frequent
Is it a cunning ploy to keep new people and non subscribers away?
So the forum is ridiculously slow again, no idea why.
Also, I’m not getting notifications on the site when I receive PMs. I seem to get email notifications spuriously, sometimes not at all and in the case of the last received PM I got the email notification 10h after the time of the PM along with another notification for an earlier PM some 18h previous.
How on Earth can this forum be getting even sh*ttererer?!
Missing posts now as well. I definitely posted in a thread and when I went back to it my post was gone.
Forum has decent and stable but had a “redis” page appear when browsing, a refresh will sort it though
5 minutes of browsing the forum this morning 😂
Just a sea of nothing . I know as a customer I’m supposed to fix it myself and then let STW know via email what I’ve done to fix it.
