If the execution could be improved so that a tyre can be inflated with a std pump every time i.e. out on the trail.
Why would you be trying to seat a tubeless tyre from flat whilst out on the trail? For those of us who aren't fools it is a big step forwards - almost 10 years now for me, and still haven't had to stop to fix a puncture as many times as I did in the single season before I changed.
lock on grips were a revolution for me when they came out - what a pain in the ass it was changing v-brake levers/shifter before them, still got a can of hairspray that i used to use to help get/stick the old rubber grips on 😮
i think people forget also - forget stans
proper UST is very very reliable...that is revolutionary, ive not had a puncture in 3 years since i changed to proper ust tyres/rims...considering as above i probably had 10 in the first few months of peaks riding on tubes...
thats pretty impressive really...not so sure stans system is so reliable etc...
but UST rims are pretty much a great invention for mtb
bigyinn - Member
Tubeless (for me at least) is a non starter. I don't doubt it has its benefits, but its still a little unrefined IMO. If the execution could be improved so that a tyre can be inflated with a std pump every time i.e. out on the trail. Then it will thrive, until it can be considered foolproof it won't.
1. UST rim + UST tyre will go up with any pump.
2. You've most likely got a tube with you anyway if needed, in case you make too big a hole in the tyre for sealant to deal with (although I've only had this happen once in 5/6 years of tubeless use).
I agree that the drivetrain is probably the number one area that could do with improvement. Longevity is not good enough, so as soon as the option gets light and cheap enough it should gain ground.
not so sure stans system is so reliable etc...
I'm on Stans now - started with the DIY tubeless conversion described on the original notubes site, before he sold stuff. Thinner sidewalls so easier to rip those, but if you don't ride over sharp rocks it's just as reliable as UST. Maybe more hassle to setup, but I'm too much of a weight weenie to want to UST.
On-One.
Someone needs to tell Steve Peat, Sam Hill etc that they're just cheating bastards for not having their saddles up their arses then.
Got to be GPS. Ability to pinpoint your location on a map in whiteout conditions or where there are no obvious landmarks. Allows me to undertake ride options I would [i]never[/i] otherwise undertake. I know it's no substitute for old-school navigation techniques, etc., etc., but really, it's bailed me out countless times.
Oh dear. I have front sus and discs on my bikes and see absolutely no need for a seat dropper ( I have a QR) tubeless ( I don't get punctures often and I like to change tyres to suit conditions) GPS - I can navigate and I would never rely on one.
What is wrong with me?
Disk brakes. They work reliably in all conditions and have more stopping power. So you can ride faster and brake later. And they don't destroy your expensive rims. A huge innovation for off-road cycling.
TandemJeremy - MemberWhat is wrong with me?
Where do we begin... 😀
Didn't front suspension come about years ago, before derailleurs, which is my suggestion as the biggest revolution in biking?
In the modern era, I think the Bionicon is perhaps the biggest thing from an engineering standpoint, linking front and rear suspension together into a single closed unit. It's just a pity it's not as refined as it could be.
Cheap high powered lights for night riding, hydraulic brakes are great but the lights enabled me to ride weekdays in the winter
backhander - Member
Someone needs to tell Steve Peat, Sam Hill etc that they're just cheating bastards for not having their saddles up their arses then.
they ride with a seat low so they can hit max speed.....most mere morons on here ride with them low because THEY CANNOT ride steep sections and technical descents at full length...big difference, peaty and the likes could ride it upsidedown and backwards....
Ok, i think all this comes down to what sort of rider you are and what sort of riding you do! If you do no more than xc then you would probly think a dropper post is a waste of money! But if your more into riding lots of tech steep stuff, that to be honest is so steep that if you had your saddle up you would be out of control then a dropper post is the way to go! and in my opinion is worth every penny! It does get a pain in the arse using quick release clamp all the time, but i only thought this after useing a dropper post! Dont no how i managed without one now! 😀 i used to slag them off untill i got one!! Hopefully they will get cheaper tho! 😆
I never thought I'd say this, but after watching a video of old-school DH crashes, the Aheadset is a revolution in security over quill stems.
IMO the best innovations are -
1) Suspension forks
2) Disc brakes
3) Tubeless tyres
4) Aheadset stems
very very rarely even drop the seat for mega steep stuff
If you can ride it with your seat right up it's not mega steep. Mega steep is when you are buzzing your arse on the back tyre to prevent yourself going over the bars, that's not possible with a foot's worth of seat post in the way.
they ride with a seat low so they can hit max speed.....most mere morons on here ride with them low because THEY CANNOT ride steep sections and technical descents at full length...big difference, peaty and the likes could ride it upsidedown and backwards....
Your reason is drowning under all those assumptions.
scottidog - Membervery very rarely even drop the seat for mega steep stuff
If you can ride it with your seat right up it's not mega steep. Mega steep is when you are buzzing your arse on the back tyre to prevent yourself going over the bars, that's not possible with a foot's worth of seat post in the way.
I DOOOOOO ride mega steep stuff, and i do drop it for certain bits - my point is most of the time most people just drop them on easy stuff or stuff they could ride if they actually attemtped it without relying on a dropper to get them out of trouble, i have a mate who drops it even for stuff that goes ever so slightly steep and technical, i still manage most of the stuff now without dropping the seat(willy waving blah blah)....
all im saying is not dropping my post every two mins on every single steep descent, has made me more conscious about the lines i pick the weight distribution of my body etc which has made me feel better about descending steep stuff and roll ins...i always found with a dropper i drop it at the first sign on of a rocky descent, and there is really no need...it is like cheating in my eyes...obviously most users who have them will disagree, for the simple fact they own one 😆 but there is truth in it!
im not saying steep stuff sometimes doesnt require lowering the post, it does some sections of the stuff i do i couldnt physically get that low at the back with the seat up...but most the people im on about with them, at cannock and the likes using them for places like that?!?!
shaggmeister is right, if you are constantly doing things that are stupidly steep and thats your thing etc then they are brill...but for most riders on here i bet they have no real need for them, other than perhaps once a ride...
Three_Fish - Memberthey ride with a seat low so they can hit max speed.....most mere morons on here ride with them low because THEY CANNOT ride steep sections and technical descents at full length...big difference, peaty and the likes could ride it upsidedown and backwards....
Your reason is drowning under all those assumptions.
they are not assumptions squire, most people on here use them to ease into techincal descents etc, not for most do they buy them so they can go faster 😆 i certainly didnt, i realised after your quite capable of most of the steep stuff with your seat up if you put your mind to it..
*excludes certain steep stuff, which is impossible to get weight/body back with seat at full*
anyways i cannaeeee be harrased with anymore talk of this...
you love your dropper, good on ya, use it....i dont so i wont...
its clear its not next greatest thing after suspension.....so i'z wins 😆
Whoever metioned Aheadset is pretty spot on IMO.
I remember days of threaded forks and headsets that had to be tightened every week. A right pain in the arse.
Don't even get me started on having to cut thread in a few inches of steerer.
How can you efficiently load and unload your weight on the bike to "pump" the track with the seatpost at full extension? Disk brakes btw - would give up front suspension before them.
I remember days of threaded forks and headsets that had to be tightened every week. A right pain in the arse.
Aheadsets - salvation for the mechanically incompetent.
ermm get behind the seatpost? im not saying all of the riding can be done this way, but most of the semi steep stuff certainly can be up the peaks where i go....my mate drops his seat for most stuff, and i dont...im just stating its not the be all and end all....heeeby jeeebies folks...there are far more important things that a dropper seatpost....at very worst you can drop it yourself which is effectively a dropper seatpost...
There's a difference between shifting your weight back for steep stuff and being able to pump the bike fully when riding flat yet bumpy stuff. Just because you've never done it doesn't mean it's a bad thing!
Full extension - even for optimum pedalling efficiency the saddle shouldn't be so high as to be a total hinderance. I mean, the length of a crank (difference between fully down and horizontal cranks) of clearance over your saddle gives you quite a lot of freedom - sufficient for a surprising range of steep stuff, especially if said steep stuff has a clean exit.How can you efficiently load and unload your weight on the bike to "pump" the track with the seatpost at full extension? Disk brakes btw - would give up front suspension before them.
TandemJeremy - Member
and see absolutely no need for a seat dropper ( I have a QR)
🙂 'Hi Groovers'.
chiefgrooveguru - MemberThere's a difference between shifting your weight back for steep stuff and being able to pump the bike fully when riding flat yet bumpy stuff. Just because you've never done it doesn't mean it's a bad thing!
nothings badddd mannnn its all good and what ever gets you through a ride etc...just saying they really arent all that, regardless how people big them up, they are somewhat unreliable (even the reverbs), and you can easily use a QR to lower it to the same effect....
but its all good, im sure one day somebody will bring out a perfect one that works all the time, until that point id never even consider one again ....alot of money for a few seconds stopping on the occasional super techy steep stuff
Jeez, isn't everything just loads betterer than when I were a kid?
Disc brakes = brilliant
Tubeless = brilliant
Droppers = brilliant (the ones that work anyway)
Suspension = brilliant
Maxle = Brilliant
Etc etc
You can keep your retro nonsense!
I don't have a dropper, but need one on at least two of my bikes. I'm happy to ride my race bike with the seat up and never move it, but that's a function of where I ride it and the desire to be used to riding down stuff with the seat up as I won't be dropping it in races. Flowy upydowny trails, such as the Ciaran Path woudl be so much more pleasureable with an uppydownerjobby though!
When I was a lad, it was all about anything that was anodised purple or a cycle computer that recorded your max speed, for when going down that really big hill.. bragging rights for 40mph+, eyes streaming and the inability to stop quickly....
Either Disc brakes or V brakes, V brakes are still damn good if setup correctly, canti's were just rubbish!
cantis are still damn good if set up correctly - it's just that far more people are capable of setting up Vs correctly.
The problem is cantis go out of adjustment if there is 1 µm of pad wear.
this is a new thing
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Rim brakes can be quite powerful - my V's were't bad using two fingers, on a dry day. And there are even some hydraulic rim brakes kicking around. But disk brakes are just better because they preserve the rim and are less affected by wet, muddy conditions. They can also be very powerful when operated with one finger.
Wish it were them making this thing, but like everything from oop North they do hang aorund in the dark ages a bit..
Folkestone being on the cutting edge of... ? 😉
With all the what tyre threads, I'm surprised someone hasn't said Tyres! 😆
I remember when the Crud Catcher came out, it was a work of genius, so all the bike mags said!
Edit: Lights: lights were rubbish, now they are just silly!
Milkie - MemberI remember when the Crud Catcher came out, it was a work of genius, so all the bike mags said!
The Mucky Nutz Fender Bender is equally good too IMO.
I never drop my post but I am very gangly in build. Are the hardcore post droppers all short arses?
imho the one of the best things ever on my bikes is the invention of the [b]Aheadset[/b]
If you have ever adjusted the old headsets with 2 spanners you will know what I mean